why is this winch vertical lifting only??

[wozzzzza]

looking for a 240v winch that i can use to drag cars horizontally across the ground up a slight incline.
found this winch
Giantz Electric Hoist Winch Crane 300/600KG Rope Tool Remote Chain Lifting Cable : Amazon.com.au: Home Improvement
says in comments The electric hoist is only suitable for vertical lifting.
what makes it vertical only??? why can i attach to floor to drag a car? i dont know much about winches.

[Wrongwayfirst]

I do not know…..but I assume it will be the dropping of the hook from a vertical position using gravity or the load weight to unwind the winch. On a horizontal plane you may have to push the car back manually, that is reverse may not work.

alternatively you could fix a pulley to the floor and mount the winch above it, thus giving vertical operation.

i repeat I do not know

cheers

[rambunctious]

Any electric motor will work on the horizontal, but as WWF has mentioned, the reverse will have to have someone dragging the hook to the car, that is a given.
Whether the operator can do that or another pair of hands are needed ???

Questions I would ask are

What is meant by slight incline given the average small car/hatch is 1000kg give or take, so more incline=more weight/drag and
the item you list shows 300/600kg ??
Also is the car on concrete/bitumen meaning easy to move, or on grass/mud which is likely to cause more drag/weight.
What is proposed as the anchor point ?
These points need to be considered in the overall aspect of what is required.

I doubt anyone will say yes or no as to will it work, it is one of those do we try it or not ideas, because I personally have not used the machine you are showing in the link, nor do I know the full aspect of your proposal.
Living in Cairns I am sure you would have seen winches on trailers winching boats on but these would be in most cases, very light loads to pull onto a trailer.
Of course you can take the chance with what you propose but even what appears to be good quality is still only 500kg capacity.
240V Winches - Sherpa Winches Australia

Good Luck but stay well away when using it and have someone in the car to apply the brakes should sumtin fail.

[ErrolFlynn]

The winches 4WD vehicles have fitted tend not to have steel cable. Some do. I gather that steel cable can misbehave badly when it’s not under tension and is being wound back onto its reel. It could be a similar thing, as noted. Perhaps the weight of the pulley block is meant to keep the cable in order when under no load.

The winch you have shown seems cumbersome. Have you worked out how you are going to anchor it? The slope of the incline will determine the amount of effort needed to move it. Is that winch large enough?

When you start doing this I presume you’ll have someone sitting in the car ready to put their foot on the brake pedal. If the cable breaks or any of the connecting links come loose the car is going to go careering back to where it came from all on its own.

The actual winching could be problematic. There’s a lot of plastic on cars, which is pointless for what you are considering. There’s also a lot of alloy components underneath that can’t take too much stress and may be unsuitable as tow points. Finding a good hookup point may be problematic.

[BobL]

I wonder if it is a result of something lost in translation.

Its probably just that the 600kg rating is the maximum vertical lift and somehow this got translated into saying that its a vertical lift only.

BTW the mounting points / system on that thing looks pretty ordinary to me.

[mic-d]

Google difference between hoist and winch. Might give you some ideas. Doesn’t help with your ad since they call it a winch hoist

[ErrolFlynn]

You could consider a hand winch. I bought a discount version and used it to do exactly what you are attempting. Some of the circlips on the various pins began to work loose as I was using it. I should have spent more money and bought a decent product. But the design is good. The reason I bought that design was because I saw some Firies rescue a car that was stuck on a steep embankment a few years earlier. And being hand operated with no need for power that can be an advantage, if a bit inconvenient.

The owner of the car called a tow truck, but the winch on the truck, designed for pulling vehicles onto its tray wasn’t strong enough. It was hardly able to get the car to move. He gave up and went away. To be fair, the car was on a very steep angle. Then along came the CFA, and with a device just like the one shown in the link. One end was hooked around a tree and the other to the car and it was pulled up. Slow but nicely done. I was very impressed and that’s why I bought mine, albeit a cheapie.

[DJ’s Timber]

The owner of the car called a tow truck, but the winch on the truck, designed for pulling vehicles onto its tray wasn’t strong enough. It was hardly able to get the car to move. He gave up and went away. To be fair, the car was on a very steep angle. Then along came the CFA, and with a device just like the one shown in the link. One end was hooked around a tree and the other to the car and it was pulled up. Slow but nicely done. I was very impressed and that’s why I bought mine, albeit a cheapie.

That probably would’ve been a tirfor winch.

[wozzzzza]

prefer not a hand winch. just weird to say it cant be used horizontally, the unravelling etc.. is what came to mind but wondering if another reason i couldn't see.
i will be getting a 1 tonne version of this winch.
will be bolted at ground level to the a concrete floor and block wall so wont be going anywhere to once in a while maybe once or twice every year or so drag a car on wheels into the shed if it happens to break down or getting worked on and cant get in there under its own steam.

[ErrolFlynn]

That probably would’ve been a tirfor winch.

Possibly so. It was late afternoon and getting cold. So, I didn't stay out watching the action too long. But the thing I noted was the operator using a lever. The tirfor is good in that a long length of cable can be used. The item I bought has a very limited length of cable which is a real pain.

[Beardy]

Look up boat ramp winches , that is the style you want in 240v

[ErrolFlynn]

Did anyone take a drive over Brown Mountain at Easter? I did.

It was a day to remember. It’s the main road between Cooma and the NSW coast. I was heading back to Canberra in my ancient 4-cyl Toyota loaded with plant pots and other stuff. There was a long string of traffic crawling slowly up the hill. The day was a little warmer than I’d have liked too. Eventually, the engine gave up the ghost. I don’t know where the coolant went, and after a rest the engine wouldn’t start. Bugger.

I didn’t have a tow rope. But I did have my cheap leaver winch. It has an inconveniently short cable, but all the same, I hooked one end onto the tow bar and the other to the sick Toyota. And the cable, thin as it is, didn’t break. I found that quite surprising given the load that remained in the car and the fact that there was still a fair bit of uphill towing to be done.

I now have a new respect for those things.