Future of the Australian Electricity Market

[FenceFurniture]

I can see hybrid batteries coming: one part that is super quick to charge, another that has range but slower to charge, and another that covers the other...whatever that is...

[woodPixel]

FF,I think you are right about the combo battery.

For the same reason we have several modes of power generation, there will be several modes of storage.

Its hardly a revelation that all tech has the "desirability triangle". As you say, some batteries charge fast, others hold a charge for a long time, others discharge fast.

One battery type might not come out king, but there might be a three-combo-battery installed that has one of each of the three desirable attributes.

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I was thinking about people using their cars during power outages. One COULD use up 80% of the car battery, drive it to town... "fill er up" and toddle off home after doing the shopping.

Another idea is that there is a lot of talk here in Canberra of a Big Battery. Some monster thing.

It hardly takes a genius to see this rolled out in a network ... city, region, suburb, building. Each with their appropriate "size" installed. Hell, why wouldn't the power companies store these monsters in a few car parks in residential buildings to act as giant power-smoothing capacitors and peak-management solutions. I'm sure they are all over it.

[FenceFurniture]

I watched one dude who EV'd an old Beetle and its is so crazy powerful that he had to strengthen the motor housings directly to the transmission and put on a little set of wheelie-bars ITS SO COOL!!!

I think there will be a HUGE industry in converting cars to EV.

I do think there will be some sort of industry with this, but I doubt it will be huge: people who just want a cheap car to run won't be even slightly interested in a fabulously expensive conversion of their little Corolla or Hyundai – they'll just get a proper EV, down the track when they become available on the second hand market. I suspect it will restricted to those who have some kind of "classic" car and who have the bucks to convert it just to keep the vehicle going. I'm not sure what the cost of conversion is, but it has to be around $25k or more (and $15k or more of that is just for battery).

[FenceFurniture]

One COULD use up 80% of the car battery, drive it to town... "fill er up" and toddle off home after doing the shopping.

There's yet another marketing opportunity: "Spend $300 and get a free charge while you shop". The more you spend, the longer it takes to get the goodies in the trolley, the more the EV gets charged, and so it goes on.

[Chris Parks]

I was thinking about people using their cars during power outages. One COULD use up 80% of the car battery, drive it to town... "fill er up" and toddle off home after doing the shopping.

Or one could have charging available during work hours and plug the car in at home for overnight power supply. We will soon be in that exact position when Master P. becomes the BYD service manager and gets a drive car if we could be bothered but the limited feed from the car would not meet our needs in Winter.

[FenceFurniture]

the limited feed from the car would not meet our needs in Winter.

That is supposed to change when V2H comes in. There's a few things that need to line up, as this article explains:
Electric Vehicles - V2L, V2G, V2H ...?

I suppose an Atto 3 can be converted to V2H? It's not like you have to change the whole battery, I wouldn't think, just an interface?

[FenceFurniture]

V2L will be super-useful for tradespeople. One of the problems with battery operated (high power consuming) tools is that they become heavy. No problem, just take your regular power saw along.

This article: New year, new bidirectional cars: 2023 edition - dcbel


"The Silverado EV offers a 200-kWh battery pack that delivers 400 miles of range, 100 miles more than Ford’s electric pickup. On the bidirectional power front, the Silverado packs up to 10 electrical outlets and can deliver 10.2 kW of power – slightly more than Ford’s 9.6 kW offering. This can be useful on a jobsite or come in handy during a camping trip. Vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V) charging is possible."

[Chris Parks]

That is supposed to change when V2H comes in. There's a few things that need to line up, as this article explains:
Electric Vehicles - V2L, V2G, V2H ...?

I suppose an Atto 3 can be converted to V2H? It's not like you have to change the whole battery, I wouldn't think, just an interface?

BYD is such a disastrous shambles V2H might be available now and no one would any the wiser.

[AlexOsk]

In my opinion every house hold will go off grid.

[woodPixel]

This can be useful on a jobsite or come in handy during a camping trip. Vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V) charging is possible."

ahem......

Bidirectional-EVs-2023-1.jpg

[Bushmiller]

In my opinion every house hold will go off grid.

Only if two cr1teria are met.

Firstly, that it is cheaper to generate your own electricity as opposed to buying it from a retailer

Secondly, if you yourself can guarantee continuity of supply.

And thirdly, (my "two" is very similar to my "couple" in that it contains one more, at least ) you can afford the capitol outlay.

I agree that it sounds quite an attractive proposition, but a little bit too much idyllic.

Regards
Paul

PS: Fourthly ( ) you have your own charging station! I am thinking apartment situations here.

[Chris Parks]

In my opinion every house hold will go off grid.

Time will tell, it would seem impossible for that to happen in large urban areas but never say never. What I think is more possible is any isolated community/village/town will have their own energy storage supplied by local rooftop solar or wind and will be standalone from the grid. My town for instance is an excellent example of that and WA have already started down that path.

[GraemeCook]

In my opinion every house hold will go off grid.

Not in my lifetime.

But then, 120 years ago, every house was off grid.

[Mr Brush]

Timely article from today's SMH:

The explosive technology that could create batteries from seawater

[GraemeCook]

Timely article from today's SMH:

Incredibly irresponsible reporting by the halfwits at the SMH.

Fishing with explosives has been banned in most jurisdictions for eons. Those explosions are incredibly damaging to the environment. They kill or stun all fish within a wide area; they kill everything smaller over a much wider area. Wipe out the bottom of the food chain and you eliminate everything above it.

And the SMH used to be a respected newspaper.