CoronaVirus ==> Empty Shelves

[BobL]

Comment by one of my locked down Northern Italian Relatives.

With the enclosure of bars, in a month or so we should have reduced alcoholism, so few car incidents, reduced domestic violence and gambling. This should result in more money in the pockets of many people who now less affected by alcohol will become superbored and may start wanting to do more work around the house so perhaps overall the economy will benefit.

Just arrived in Turin by Air China air freight, 2300 cartons of face masks with each carton containing a label
"We waves on the same ocean, leaves from the same, flowers from the same garden"
I wonder when things hit the fan whether the chinese will do the same for the US?

[BobL]

Interesting article here comparing the effect of "travel restrictions" V "social isolation"
Coronavirus: Why You Must Act Now - Tomas Pueyo - Medium
It turns out if there are already cases in the population the first one does bugger al but the second one is far more effective at slowing things down.

[woodPixel]

Where an Italian can't get pasta, well, its real.

[Simplicity]

Some interesting facts,
From the lead singer of The dead Kennedys
(One of my favourite bands back in the day)

Especially regarding Trump taking money from his infectious disease unit,
To build a wall between the workers and the rich!!!!

Cheers Matt.

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[GraemeCook]

.....Where an Italian can't get pasta, well, its real.

SCENE: Supermarket in Sandy Bay close to the campus of the University of Tasmania. Bunch of students "of Asian appearance" milling around looking very serious.

Woollies has run out of rice!

[GraemeCook]

Originally Posted by ian
I believe the term is triage -- the military kind
a pretty confronting spectre if you've not previously been exposed to it.

Originally Posted by BobL
I reckon it would be confronting either way?

Maybe not so much confronting as ruthlessly efficient.....

Although its origins were military triaging is now routine medical practice followed by virtually every medical facility in the world. Focussing your always limited resources where they will do the most benefit is simply good medical practice.

Walk into any casualty or emmergency medicine department in any hospital and the first person that you will see is the triage nurse.

When an ambulance arrives at an accident scene, the first thing that they do is a triage assessment - a quick overview of the situation, and then they decide the order and extent of treatment of the victims.

[ian]

Although its origins were military triaging is now routine medical practice followed by virtually every medical facility in the world. Fucussing your always limited resources where they will do the most benefit is simply good medical practice.

Walk into any casualty or emmergency medicine department in any hospital and the first person that you will see is the triage nurse.

When an ambulance arrives at an accident scene, the first thing that they do is a triage assessment - a quick overview of the situation, and then they decide the order and extent of treatment of the victims.

Hi Greame

I'm a bit vague on the finer details, but understand that there's a significant difference between military and civilian triage.

Military triage is about getting the almost fit, fit enough to return to the firing line.
Those who will likely die regardless of the treatment received are prioritised behind those likely to survive.

Civilian triage is mostly about giving priority to treating the most seriously ill.

[BobL]

Hi Greame

I'm a bit vague on the finer details, but understand that there's a significant difference between military and civilian triage.

Military triage is about getting the almost fit, fit enough to return to the firing line.
Those who will likely die regardless of the treatment received are prioritised behind those likely to survive.

Civilian triage is mostly about giving priority to treating the most seriously ill.

Yep there is little comparison between military and civilian triage. Inside hospital emergency rooms they usually show a large Video Screen with the cases listed in order of priority and what the patient is suffering from - when my son suffered badly from Anaphylactic Shock after eat a banana it was interesting to see he was listed second in a list of 25+ patients just behind a serious car accident victim with multiple broken bones and a punctured lung.
AND
Italian COVID189 Triage different again.
It's based on age (over 60) and having any of a set of preexisting medical condition - if you tick these boxes you don't get the next available ventilator, it's passed onto someone that is outside these boxes.

[GraemeCook]

Hi Greame

I'm a bit vague on the finer details, but understand that there's a significant difference between military and civilian triage.

Military triage is about getting the almost fit, fit enough to return to the firing line.
Those who will likely die regardless of the treatment received are prioritised behind those likely to survive.

Civilian triage is mostly about giving priority to treating the most seriously ill.

Not quite true, Ian. There is very little difference between the two; military officers are no longer requierd to shoot the wounded.

Civilian triage also includes diverting resources from "valiant but ultimately hopeless cases" and employing those resources on "saveable patients".

Think of the reverse: "Young Mary and William unfortunately died as the only available doctor was occupied in a futile attempt to treat Mr Jones...."

Hospitals make these decision every day; it is very routine.

An example: There are six life support machines in an intensive care unit. Nine patients present one morning. How do you decide which six get connected, and which three will probably die?

Hospital staff collectively make these decisions; the toll on professionals is high!

[woodPixel]

SCENE: Supermarket in Sandy Bay close to the campus of the University of Tasmania. Bunch of students "of Asian appearance" milling around looking very serious.

Woollies has run out of rice!

Serious Asians milling rice in Tasmania : News at 7.....

Its very serious. How serious.... Toilet Paper Serious....

Dear god! Call the SES!

[Tccp123]

This morning while at the Post Office,

I was in the queue when two men with masks entered.

Total panic!

Then they said, "This is a robbery" and

we all calmed down.

[BobL]

I saw this headline on the ABC website
Coronavirus hangs over Australian sport like an ominous sense of dread

Then I had a browse of some Italian news websites reporting

Increasing numbers of younger people with COVID19 without comorbidities turning up at hospitals needing ventilators.
Medical staff including medical students in their final years of study working 12 hour days.
Child COVID19 carriers being baby sat by grandparents resulting in high numbers of seniors dying.
Groups of people on "fun runs" through cities being confronted by small groups of elderly persons and told using a full range of expletives and gestures to go home.
Small groups from the cities illegally leaving their homes and moving to the countryside (plenty of spare housing in dilapidated old villages in Italy) following regular medieval practices especially involving the bubonic plague. Naturally any Locals are highly highly concerned about this and reporting them - sooner or later they may start taking the law into their own hands.
Individuals singing and playing various instruments including kitchen utensils from their apartment windows and balconies some forming community choirs in solidarity.
Numerous small fish appearing in previously near lifeless Venetian canals.

[Tccp123]

[QUOTE=BobL;2177617)Increasing numbers of younger people with COVID19 without comorbidities turning up at hospitals needing ventilators.)
[/QUOTE]

Hands up all those who didn't have to Google ""comorbidities" )

[Tccp123]

Excerpt from a piece in The Australian:

"It might seem like it, but this isn’t the world’s first flu pandemic. In 2009 H1N1 — known as “swine flu” — infected 61 million people and killed about 590,000 globally, 80 per cent of whom were younger than 65.

In 1968, the H3N2 flu killed one million people, including 100,000 in the US, according to the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention.

About a decade before that, the H2N2 flu pandemic killed 1.1 million people.

None of the previous pandemics caused a recession, let alone a near 30 per cent drop in global stock prices.

This is, however, the first flu epidemic where everyone has a digital megaphone.

There’s no reason why this coronavirus should be far more deadly than those previous flu pandemics, provided the death rate ends up lower than feared."

[Chesand]

This morning while at the Post Office,

I was in the queue when two men with masks entered.

Total panic!

Then they said, "This is a robbery" and

we all calmed down.

Funny in this context but not so funny when you are behind the counter when it is said.