Current world events, can we have an open discussion?

[Twisted Tenon]

True. Although an agnostic myself, it seems to me that if there is a 'God' the easiest way to create the universe would be to set up the scientific rules by which it operates.

And that didn’t happen?

TT

[AlexS]

Well, there certainly are rules,even if we don't know all of them yet. Were they set by a God? That we don't know. If there is, who created Him/Her? I guess we won't ever know until it's too late.

[BobL]

True. Although an agnostic myself, it seems to me that if there is a 'God' the easiest way to create the universe would be to set up the scientific rules by which it operates.

How about the rules are god? Gravity, the strong and weak nuclear forces, and electromagnetism and their relative strengths basically what happens across the physical and chemical universe. "Feeeeel the force".

On another topic. Anyone else cynical enough to see how the Trump/Kim interaction has been staged by Russia and China to make Trump look good and keep him in the running for the next election?

[doug3030]

Anyone else cynical enough to see how the Trump/Kim interaction has been staged by Russia and China to make Trump look good and keep him in the running for the next election?

What's cynical about that?

[elanjacobs]

If there is, who created Him/Her?

That's not a valid question for the same reason that "what was before the big bang?" is not valid.

You're talking about something before the concept of time existed, when there is no before or after, it just IS. It's totally outside of human experience.

I certainly can't wrap my head around it, maybe someone else out there can

[BobL]

That's not a valid question for the same reason that "what was before the big bang?" is not valid.

You're talking about something before the concept of time existed, when there is no before or after, it just IS. It's totally outside of human experience.

I certainly can't wrap my head around it, maybe someone else out there can

The whole question of what is time is an interesting one. Recently there has been an Italian physicist/philosopher (Carlo Rovelli) on Radio National giving some talks about the nature of time. He reckons time and time line is a human construct - there's only what's going on right now to an individual and there's no such thing as past or future time. If you want to do your head in, try listening to him, he also has plenty of youtube vids - it takes him a long time (ha ha) to say relatively little.

[Twisted Tenon]

The whole question of what is time is an interesting one. Recently there has been an Italian physicist/philosopher (Carlo Rovelli) on Radio National giving some talks about the nature of time. He reckons time and time line is a human construct - there's only what's going on right now to an individual and there's no such thing as past or future time. If you want to do your head in, try listening to him, he also has plenty of youtube vids - it takes him a long time (ha ha) to say relatively little.

If the earth didn't rotate on its axis while orbiting the sun, would there be time? I was created and after a period, I will die. So time does not need to be measured to exist.

TT

[cava]

On another topic. Anyone else cynical enough to see how the Trump/Kim interaction has been staged by Russia and China to make Trump look good and keep him in the running for the next election?

Well, Trump does appear to be making more progress than his predecessors.

[elanjacobs]

If the earth didn't rotate on its axis while orbiting the sun, would there be time?

We would have to develop a different method of measuring it

Time is a human construct in the sense that we are the only species to measure it and to use it to describe the world; it would still exist if there was no-one or no reason to measure it, it just wouldn't matter.

It's also unique because it's the one part of nature that we can't interact with.

I guess you could say it doesn't "exist" because there's nothing physical to observe, but I would contend that it's still a very real part of existence.

[Twisted Tenon]

We would have to develop a different method of measuring it

Time is a human construct in the sense that we are the only species to measure it and to use it to describe the world; it would still exist if there was no-one or no reason to measure it, it just wouldn't matter.

It's also unique because it's the one part of nature that we can't interact with.

I guess you could say it doesn't "exist" because there's nothing physical to observe, but I would contend that it's still a very real part of existence.

That’s an interesting concept, Time as a part of nature. I think it exists because everything dies.

TT

[BobL]

Well, Trump does appear to be making more progress than his predecessors.

I contend hat Trump is only making as much progress as russia and china will allow. They after all pull the NK strings.

[TermiMonster]

Surely, time is simply a measure of change.
TM

[BobL]

Surely, time is simply a measure of change.
TM

A change of what?

If you stand on the earth in most places you will see day and night, so one could say that sunlight is changing and call it a day but if you stand on the north and south pole you see something different and if you're somewhere in space outside the earths shadow you'll never see it change.

[ericks2]

The tenants are not looking after the "property".....they going to be kicked out!

[AlexS]

How about the rules are god? Gravity, the strong and weak nuclear forces, and electromagnetism and their relative strengths basically what happens across the physical and chemical universe.

Possibly the most rational answer.