Honey NOT so sweet

[cava]

Personal experience of fluoridated water.

If my wife takes one or two sips/mouthfuls of tap water, within an hour she has no energy, is drowsy and has to lie down. Typically this lasts for 2-3 days.

Filtered water does not have this effect on her.

[Lappa]

Filters remove all sorts of impurities. Copper could be the culprit as could others. I would want testing before solely blaming fluoride.
JMO

[Bohdan]

Filtered water does not have this effect on her.

What sort of filter?

[woodPixel]

What is wrong with the structure of our food-sourcing system? We are gradually being poisoned by huge global corporations who don't give a stuff about anything else besides creaming in huge dollars for shareholders and CEO's.

I don't hold too much hope for our collective future.

It is looking more bleak every passing year.

[woodPixel]

There are many things that are toxic when abused, you can even die from drinking too much water and of course you can also drown in a small amount of it.

We should be VERY concerned with the dangerous quantity of dihydrogen monoxide in almost everything --> Facts About Dihydrogen Monoxide

This stuff literally permeates our environment and people simply dont take it seriously enough!

[rob streeper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY

[BobL]

What sort of filter?

+1

Conventional domestic filter systems are ineffective at filtering fluoride.
I have found some data but let's wait to hear from cava what the filters are.

[MAPLEMAN]

I don't hold too much hope for our collective future.

It is looking more bleak every passing year.

I'm with you on that one Evan
We know the perils of plastics yet still rely on them like there is no tomorrow
Why is an alternative not being offered yet?
I tell you...they way and the rate of which we deal with refuse is going to haunt and bite the future generations of humans...BIG time
Soon it will be one in two people affected by cancer...then we will ALL have it
The 'brains trust' of this world have completely 'stuffed' things up...and they probably wont be able to 'fix' it either
The $ is god...MM

[BobL]

Soon it will be one in two people affected by cancer...then we will ALL have it.

Be careful what you blame for cancers- about 2/3rds of the increase in cancer rates simply comes about because we are living longer.
Why are cancer rates increasing? - Cancer Research UK - Science blog

If we all lived like cave people we'd have very low cancer rates but our average life span would be about 30 years.
If we lived like industrial revolution people we'd have moderate cancer levels and live on average to about 50.
Today we have a life expectancy of 80+ but because we live so long more and more cancers are bound to appear.
The human body is acquiring and fighting potential cancers everyday.
Our immune system should over successive generates adapt to increasingly fight these cancers but when most cancers happen after reproductive age this is unlikely to happen.

The other thing is medical diagnosis picks up far more than it ever did.
Prior to medical intervention many people had cancer and didn't know it and may have died from another cause before the cancer impacted their lives.
Prostrate and breast cancers are common cancers that are in this category.

These days, like I did, you go in to see a doctor for sore feet who sends you to a neurologist who finds nothing wrong with your feet but reckons it might be your back and sends you for a CAT scan to find out you have Sarcoidosis and sends you to another specialist. Multiple PET scans and blood tests later (no treatment because the specialist I chose was a minimal interventionist) it looks like the Sarcoidosis is dying away by itself. A few years ago this condition would not have been picked up and I would maybe not known I ever had it.

The article above goes on to say that cancer survival has increase from 1 in 4 , to 2 in 4 in the last 60 years. This is even more remarkable because most cancers occur in older people who are more fragile health wise and often have many other compounding health conditions.

[MAPLEMAN]

We should be VERY concerned with the dangerous quantity of dihydrogen monoxide in almost everything --> Facts About Dihydrogen Monoxide

This stuff literally permeates our environment and people simply dont take it seriously enough!

...nasty stuff Evan...MM

[MAPLEMAN]

[QUOTE=BobL;2065283]Be careful what you blame for cancers- by far the greatest proportion of the increase in cancer rate simply comes about because we are living longer.
Why are cancer rates increasing? - Cancer Research UK - Science blog

If we all lived like cave people we'd have very low cancer rates but our average life span would be about 30 years.
If we lived like industrial revolution people we'd have moderate cancer levels and live on average to about 50.
Today we have a life expectancy of 80+ but because we live so long more and more cancers are bound to appear.
The human body is acquiring and fighting potential cancers everyday.
Our immune system should over successive generates adapt to fight these cancers but when most cancers happen after reproductive age this is unlikely to happen.

The other thing is medical diagnosis picks up far more than it ever did.
Prior to medical intervention many people had cancer and didn't know it and may have died from another cause before the cancer impacted their lives.
These days, like I did, you go in to see a doctor for sore feet who sends you to a neurologist who finds nothing wrong with your feet but reckons it might be your back and sends you for a CAT scan to find out you have Sarcoidosis and sends you to another specialist. Multiple PET scans and blood tests later (no treatment because the specialist I chose was a minimal interventionist) it looks like the Sarcoidosis is dying away by itself. A few years ago this condition would not have been picked up and I would maybe not known I ever had it.[/QUOTEYou can't be serious Bob...that's nonsense I.M.O...MM

[Kiwi75]

I don't hold too much hope for our collective future.

It is looking more bleak every passing year.

Time to become self sufficient I think. We've been moving down that track for a year or so now, fruit trees went in this last winter, 3 big gardens, chooks in soon, next up is a water tank then looking at solar power but it seems that's not quite as easy as it seems to the average layman like myself. we'll see what happens with that...

[BobL]

You can't be serious Bob...that's nonsense I.M.O...MM

It's simple Biology 101 that before we are even born, living things are under biologically under attack and we have to defend ourselves.
Our defence mechanisms and cell reproduction rate help guard us against most diseases but eventually defences weaken and replacement cell rates slow so we can no long defend our selves. On average the older we get the sicker we become.
Some folks are more sensitive, or just unlucky - wrong place at the wrong time, or make life choices that exacerbate the problems.
The issue with increased cancer rates and longer lives has been known about for many years and its not rocket science.
What is it about this you don't understand or disagree with?

[ian]

apart from your wife, do you know of any other people with a similar response?
a cursory look through one of the anti fluoridation sites suggest that the symptoms you report are not seen as an issue.

Could your wife's symptoms be due to something else in your tap water ?

[cava]

Could your wife's symptoms be due to something else in your tap water ?

No.

She has been tested by one of Australia's leading allergy specialists. Apparently, there are many people with fluoride intolerances.