Terrorism on the ABC

[Evanism]

Not quite as simple as you make out, because if it is all secret - all of it - how come George Williams could write 41 pages about it?

Was everything he wrote there guess work, academic waffle or just fiction?

He clearly was involved and has written around it. It is exactly how lawyers do this. It is like a Warrant Canary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_canary

One discusses everything in context to other information without explicitly talking about the subject itself. If The Man kicks in your door, you remove the canary. Its absence betrays your enforced silence while maintaining deniability.

Besides, I'm not making this stuff up, its on goddam wikipedia, a sample of the Act is available on the ACT governments website and there are other sources online.

You may oppose what I say, but I am not wrong.

My bullet points were copy pasted from other sources (such as wiki and George Williams (BEc, LLB (Hons), LLM (UNSW), PhD (ANU); Anthony Mason Professor, Scientia Professor and Foundation Director of the Gilbert + Tobin Centre of Public Law, Faculty of Law, The University of New South Wales; Australian Research Council Laureate Fellow; Barrister, New South Wales Bar).

I suspect given Mr Williams qualifications, he might have a tendency to know what he is talking about.

As for the "Liberal Fascists" imposing all this dreadful stuff on us poor downtrodden citizens, I seem to remember we have had 2 Labor Governments since 2005, one with a whopping majority. How come they didn't get rid of all this "fascist" stuff.

And on the subject of fighting terrorism, I haven't seen the current Labor leader fighting too hard, not at all really, against any of this terrorist stuff that the Fascists are still bringing in (and indeed the previous 2 Labor Governments did also).

No government ever, ever, ever, repeals laws that will be useful. Politics 101. Pretend opposition but grudgingly be dragged along with it. Repeal if necessary (claiming you never truly supported it all along), retain if it doesn't blow up in someone else's face. Absolute 101 stuff.

Besides, I said neo-fascists. BIG difference.

And if it is all so secret and you're not even allowed to reveal that you have been subjected to prosecution, albeit unsuccessful, how come Mr Zaky Mally is still at large and hasn't been thrown in some ASIO dungeon?

He was. Their attempt to pin the tail on the donkey failed and they fell back on a BS charge just to ensure something stuck.

How many others are "in the hole"? We don't know. We will never know.

Did you even KNOW the name of Zaky Mallah before the Q&A? Perhaps you should as he was the First Australian charged under the anti-terrorism act.... pretty special, no? But Id wager 99% of those here didn't know.

Ask yourselves WHY.

Because for two years, he WAS IN THE HOLE.


Also, there is MORE, my bullet points were just the HEADLINE stuff. And I quote:

" In addition, a person may be detained for up to a week for
questioning where there are reasonable grounds to believe that he or she will
alert another person involved in a terrorism offence, not appear before ASIO for
questioning, or destroy a record or thing that may be requested under the
warrant.57 It is an offence punishable by five years’ imprisonment to refuse to
answer ASIO’s questions, or to give false or misleading information.58 These
warrants may be issued against non-suspects, including family members,
journalists, children between the ages of 16 and 1859 and innocent bystanders."

Thats right boys and girls!!!! YOU can be thrown in prison for a week just for being an innocent bystander.

There are further provisions to detain you indefinitely as "release" is so nebulous it could mean you are simply let from your cell only to be tossed back in.

This is tiring explaining this stuff. Open your minds. Read the document.

[Big Shed]

Evanism, you assume that being strident and SHOUTING makes you right.

You (deliberately?) misinterpreted my question as to why Zaky Mallah was still at large after revealing he had been detained under the Terrorism Act by "assuming" I was talking about his previous detention.

Amongst all the (Wikipedia) facts you are sprouting you tell us that us mere citizens are not allowed to divulge, amongst other things, that we have even been charged or detained under this dreadful "secret" Terrorism Act or we will go straight back "in the HOLE".

I asked the, I thought reasonable, question why then is Mr Zaky Mallah still at large after doing just that on Q&A? And indeed giving interviews to the Murdoch Press some years back about the same thing.

But if I have learned one thing in my life it is that one cannot have a rational debate with zealots that "are never wrong", so I will leave it at that.

Be secure in all your Wikipedia "facts" and fight the good fight against the Facists and Neo-Facists and hopefully you will live to see a day where the Neo-Commies will once again rule us and you can sleep peacefully at night in the knowledge that Noddy Shorten is there to protect us all.

[Big Shed]

i didnt watch Q&A but i read some article the day after.

the keys points I read was that the minister said he would be happy to see mallah thrown out of the country, and mallah saying he would like to see the minister dropped into ISIL controlled territory in Iraq.

I ocasionally watch "the bolt report", i guess andrew bolt is a liberal. anyways every episode he rips into Q&A about the double standards it has towards the labor and liberal parties. I dont care much for politics, but from what i see on the bolt report, if i was liberal I would want the entire ABC canned until it can report the news, all of the news, not just the stuff that hurts the liberals or helps the labors.

Thank you Kuffy for a rational post, on topic no less, you made a very good point without emotion and SHOUTING, well done.

I agree with you, I also would like to see the ABC return to reporting the news, not trying to make the news, as so many media organisations now seem to think that is their job.

Unfortunately under their current director, Mark Scott, they have become a shadow of their former selves.