speeding offences

[shedbound]

Maybe they should invent a short range signal scrambler and install one in every car, so when the ignition is on the phone cannot receive a signal. if you are behind the wheel, I dunno. Imagine the outrage.

[doug3030]

Ah!, . . . . . . . but that doesn't raise any money does it

[BobL]

Maybe they should invent a short range signal scrambler and install one in every car, so when the ignition is on the phone cannot receive a signal. if you are behind the wheel, I dunno. Imagine the outrage.

Oh the HORROR!

Unfortunately that would prevent other people in the car from using a mobile. Might not be a bad thing either.

[DavidG]

When I get in my car the mobile is taken over by the car bluetooth system.
The mobile is useless as no sound comes out of it.

Just need to press a button on the steering wheel and tell the system
who I want to call.

[Sturdee]

So, the moral of the story .... don't assume you can't be booked for a traffic or parking offence if you are on private property ... in some places in Qld at least.

Roy

How do the police get away with enforcing the vehicle code on private property, e.g. a car park?

This may be of interest as it describes what a road is, including those on private property, and how the road traffic laws applies to them.

Interesting reading as this is in addition to car parking enforcements that can be made with councils.

Peter.

[Toymaker Len]

[QUOTE=mark david;1849975]Are we suppoosed to spend more time looking at the spedometer than what's on the road?
speeding is dangerous and causes accidents there is no doubting that but other bad driving practices must cause far more accidents.

I know at a glance what speed I am doing and could pretty well sit on 60 or 80 or100 or 110 without changing for hours at a time and not have to look at the speedo but that is just experience.
I was a persistent offender most of my Forty years driving. I just considered speeding fines a cost of doing business. Then one year I lost all my points and had to go do the "Traffic Offenders" program to avoid losing my licence. Well that really opened my eyes to what a selfish bastard I had been even without having any accidents. For example did you know that for every person killed on the road another thirty are permanently disabled? No? Well after I had sat through lectures by highway patrol cops, ambulance officers, accident and emergency trauma surgeons, rehabilitation physios, road and traffic engineers. Seen many films on actual road accidents. Heard survivors of road accidents describing what happened to them. Heard the stories from families who had been woken in the middle of the night to be told that their seventeen year old was dead or that their twenty two year old was fighting for his life and would be a paraplegic ... After all that I woke up a bit and realised that it is not that hard to just stick to the speed limit. And even though I am a much better driver than average and have a much better car, just like all the other idiots who speed I still manage to stick to the limit and the great thing is that it is easy. Just slow down turn the music up and have a nice day. There are no excuses for speeding and all this complaint is just whining selfish cr*p

[ian]

nice story but ....

the underlying message I take away from the "speed kills" "Don't speed" campaigns is

99 km/h in a 100 zone is perfectly safe, and you won't ever crash, or if you do you won't be seriously hurt.

101 km/h in a 100 zone and you're driving like a moron, and when you crash, which you will inevitably do, you'll be dead

give me a break, the energy to be dissipated in a crash at 101 km/h is 4% greater than at 99 km/h -- at either speed you will be seriously injured if not dead

Statistically, 70 km/h is about the limit for surviving a crash without life threatening injuries



BUT the big unknown in all the crash stats, is that the cops get to determine the "cause of a crash"
if you run off the road or crash head-on on a straight piece of rural road, around 50% of the time the cops will code the crash as being "fatigue related", the other 50% will be coded "speed related" -- as the injury severity increases, the tendency to code the crash as "speed related" increases.
but if you crash on a curve, the cops will almost invariably code the crash as "speed related"

over the years I've done a lot of work in relation to highway crashes and apart from making a road more forgiving (e.g. sealed shoulders), the most effective measures in reducing the numbers of crashes seems to be those directed at increasing a driver's level of alertness.

[AlexS]

...I can only assume that there is a degree of tolerance in the calibration of the speed guns as well as some inaccuracy inherent in the distance and angle they are from the target vehicle.

In my car, when I am doing 100 km/hr as measured by the GPS, which is more accurate than the speedo, the speedo reads 96 km/hr. Apparently this degree of inaccuracy is allowable under federal law.

So if I did not have a GPS and did not know this, every time I was driving past a speed camera at 100 km/hr by the speedo, I would actually be doing somewhere in the vicinity of 104 km/hr in reality.

In Victoria the tolerance for booking motorists for speeding is to allow 3 km/hr so I would be booked for doing 101 km/hr (104 - 3) alleged speed in a 100 km/hr zone. Federal law is supposed to take precedence over State law but apparently not when it is cutting into their revenue raising activities.




Cheers

Doug

Firstly, the allowed tolerance on speedos, I believe, allows them to over-read, but not under-read, i.e, if you are doing 100, your speedo may read, say, 104, but not 96. Car manufacturers always have their speedos set to over read so they can't be blamed by someone who is booked for speeding. Since you know your speedo is inaccurate, you have no excuse.
There is a tolerance on the speed cameras. I can't remember offhand what it is, but it's set in the relevant Australian Standard, as are the requirements for testing.

...Remember the slogan "Speed Cameras Save Lives". Can anyone give me the name of ONE person whose life was saved by a speed camera?

Have you stopped beating your wife?
That's just as stupid a question. However, most of us can give you the names of plenty of people who've been killed by drivers speeding or talking on mobile phones, or both.

Bottom line, do the crime, pay the fine, and quit bellyaching.

[TermiMonster]

Booking someone for talking on a mobile phone whilst stopped in a carpark is pure BS, but some cops are a**h***s. But then, so are some of all of us, (or even all of us sometimes (except me and you, of course) ).
Not much you can do about it.
TM

[Big Shed]

When I get in my car the mobile is taken over by the car bluetooth system.
The mobile is useless as no sound comes out of it.

Just need to press a button on the steering wheel and tell the system
who I want to call.

Same here, phone goes through the radio via Bluetooth in the Colorado, have a Bury handsfree thingo in the Commodore.

With the cheap options for handsfree these days I really don't know why people risk a fine by using the phone.

As for texting in the car, if you're doing that you deserve everything you get, don't blame the cops, your choice.

[shedbound]

Booking someone for talking on a mobile phone whilst stopped in a carpark is pure BS, but some cops are a**h***s. But then, so are some of all of us, (or even all of us sometimes (except me and you, of course) ).
Not much you can do about it.
TM

I agree
SWMBO wasn't aware she was in the wrong, I wouldn't have thought so either.

[DavidG]

If you read the rules for ACT:

If you are "stopped" then you can get booked.
If you are "parked" then it is ok.

The rules for the difference between stopped and parked are vague.

[doug3030]

Bottom line, do the crime, pay the fine, and quit bellyaching.

Firstly, there was no crime, and therefore no fine to pay and all I have done is put forward scenarios. Where do you get bellyaching out of that?

Firstly, the allowed tolerance on speedos, I believe, allows them to over-read, but not under-read, i.e, if you are doing 100, your speedo may read, say, 104, but not 96. Car manufacturers always have their speedos set to over read so they can't be blamed by someone who is booked for speeding. Since you know your speedo is inaccurate, you have no excuse.
There is a tolerance on the speed cameras. I can't remember offhand what it is, but it's set in the relevant Australian Standard, as are the requirements for testing.

Well I must be the unlucky one. Since I have owned GPS I have owned three vehicles - EVERY ONE of which had a speedo that read lower than the actual speed being travelled. All had standar sized wheels and tyres and no modifications that could affect the speedo reading. I have used the GPS in the daughter's car as well and it read just a little over the speed. A hire car read quite a bit over when I had it once but a friend's car I borrowed when I was in Queensland also read under the speed compared to the GPS.

So four out of six cars I have used my GPS in are defective? Maybe I have been unluckybut that does give me the impression that not all speedos read over, probably far from it.

That's just as stupid a question. However, most of us can give you the names of plenty of people who've been killed by drivers speeding or talking on mobile phones, or both.

I take it you were referring to naming people whose life has been saved by a speed camera. I can name people who have been killed or injured on the roads too - so where were the speed cameras that were supposed to save them? As you said yourself, we all know plenty of people who have become part of the road toll and how could this be if speed cameras were effective? The question was designed to make people think, and your thoughts on the question go a long way towards proving that speed cmeras are not effective. Well not for saving lives anyway. Just for revenue raising.

Cheers

Doug

[Chris Parks]

WA police and mobile phone offenders.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8a249J9KYY

Note near the end the woman using a mobile phone and the bike sitting next to he with red and blues flashing.

I was a professional driver for many years and I don't care whether it is hand held or hands free, both are dangerous. Next time after you get off a hands free call try and remember what happened while you are on the phone and I bet you can't remember any of it. When I worked that out unless I could pull over the phone (hands free) did not get answered.

[A Duke]

Hi doug 3030,
Has it occurred to you that may be it it your GPS that is telling porkies and not all those speedos?
Regards