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22nd March 2014, 04:33 AM #1New Member
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Dating a Stanley No7C (help,please and thank you!)
1. I am a Newby here, this is my first post
2. I have been around wood and tools all my life, was a union carpenter for 15 years before I started into supervision, administration and ownership of a commercial building company, but only started to get more serious about wood work since I retired 7 years ago.
3. I have recently become interested in developing a small collection of good working bench planes, specifically #4, #5 and #7; in that endeavor I have purchased through EBay enough full planes and parts to realize that basic collection and I have tuned, lapped, cleaned and sharpened them into a very usable part of my wood working arsenal.
4. During the collecting process I found myself with a Stanley No7C in very good shape by accident as I had been concentrating on smooth bottom planes, and assumed (shame on me) with lack of nomenclature in either direction, the seller knew enough about Stanley planes that she would have called a corrugated bottom No7 plane a No7C. I was wrong (her photos did not include the sole of the plane - again, shame on me...).
5. I have been cleaning the plane up and at this juncture I'm thinking I'll re-list it on EBay when I'm done. In that regard, I would like to be able to accurately state the era of the plane, but after having read all the data I can find on the internet about dating Stanley planes, this particular No7C simply crosses too many of the time line descriptions for me to feel any sort of confidence in determining which type this plane is and thus when it was manufactured. I am sincerely hoping somebody here will see this post who has more understanding about dating planes than I have been able to develop, and will be willing to give me a hand identifying it.
6. There is a photo of the body of the plane attached, if I have done it correctly...
7. The plane body has: *Black* japanning; a raised ring for the knob; No7 cast into the heel; "MADE IN USA" cast into the toe *behind* the knob; "BAILEY" cast into the toe *in front of* the knob; "C-462." cast into the bed underneath the tote; and a "Y"-shaped frog base.
8. The plane body does *not* have raised ribs at the toe and heel.
Thank you in advance, all suggestions warmly welcomed,
John
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22nd March 2014, 09:39 AM #2
It appears to be a Type 15 1931 - 1932.
Those were the droids I was looking for.
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22nd March 2014, 12:53 PM #3GOLD MEMBER
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For those that want to do it themselves, there is always Hyperkitten to the rescue:
http://hyperkitten.com/tools/stanley_bench_plane/
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22nd March 2014, 02:32 PM #4Senior Member
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It's newer than type 15.
The Y shaped frog bed came out after WW11.
The rest of the planes parts would help narrow it down.
If you're selling it just take good photos and let the buyer decide how old it is.
Best wishes
Steve.
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22nd March 2014, 08:32 PM #5SENIOR MEMBER
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Firstly let me say that I am no expert, but I think the dating guides usually work best for a No 4, and some of the features didn't make it onto all the sizes at the same time, if ever. I think the ribs on the toe and heel didn't make it onto the No 7s until a bit later than the smaller sizes, in fact I can't remember seeing a No 7 with the heel and toe ribs, which of course doesn't mean that there aren't any. Or even that I haven't seen one, as my memory is not reliable...
So, my 2c is that, based on the Y shaped frog receiver, I'd say it's a type 19 which dates it to 1948 - 1961.
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23rd March 2014, 11:19 AM #6New Member
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Been there (hyperkitten), as well as every other site on dating I can find. Problem is that, as is stated below, the No7's apparently lagged behind the No4's and No5's in having the identifying features changed, and for that reason or some other(s), this plane has features from at least 2 time periods. Thank you though...
John
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23rd March 2014, 11:24 AM #7New Member
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23rd March 2014, 11:30 AM #8New Member
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23rd March 2014, 12:57 PM #9
Initially I thought it was a Type 20 that had been repainted or a Type 19 but I decided to go with the evidence and call it a 15
On later model Stanleys the frog and lever cap were sometimes date stamped. I don't know if they ever did beds but the C - 462 would translate as the fourth quarter of 1962. Which I think makes it a Type 20.Those were the droids I was looking for.
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23rd March 2014, 05:08 PM #10GOLD MEMBER
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Of course, it could be a frankenplane made of parts from different eras.
Apparently, Stanley was big on using up all the spare parts available so were not immune to selling a few themselves.