This takes the cake

[Scott]

Also remember that when Abbott talks about undermining, he conveniently forgets his assassination of Turnbull, who in my opinion has more statesmanship in his pinkie than the the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition combined.l

It's daft how the Libs have gone with Tony. We all know it'd be a lay down misere if Turnbull was fronting them.

[Bushmiller]

It's daft how the Libs have gone with Tony. We all know it'd be a lay down misere if Turnbull was fronting them.

Scott

Absolutely agree.

It begs the question of who exactly wants Abbott. I'm not entirely sure anybody in the party would want to own up to this allegiance...Possibly Hokey (sorry that is Hockey), Pyne or Bishop

The only saving grace for Abbott is that Costello is not there otherwise there would be a full on comedy act .

Regards
Paul

[hughie]

Turnbull aint trusted!

[rustynail]

My daughter is a qualified teacher, majoring in adult education. She teaches literacy, numeracy and English to a wide and diverse group of "New Australians" at a large college in the western suburbs of Sydney. At the end of each class, she gives them a new bit of Aussie slang. They absolutely love it and go off down the corridor practicing it over and over.

[Ticky]

What is it they say about Politics & Relligion.....

I think the sad thing is, in a couple of weeks time we all have to go & vote & the truth is we have very little to vote for.

I would love the oppertunity to vote for the person/party I want to administer OUR country, but sadly, I am struggling to decide which person or party I don't want to have in the job the most, & it's a pretty tuff decision.

You would think that out of 23 million people, give or take, that there would be someone that we, or at least I, had the confidance to vote for.

I would love to see a HUGE shift in politics in Australia, where the leader of the oppersition stood up & said something was a bad idea because it was a bad idea, not because it was suggested by the other party. Or where a Polly got on tv and said, if you vote for me, then I will do this for you, rather than If you vote for him then he will do that to you. It would be nice to see someone voted in for a change, rather than voted out.

How many hundres of billions of dollars has Australia got tied up with X35 Joint Strike Fighter, Nearly twenty Years in the making & still not Combat Ready,... & some informed people don't believe it ever will be. Little Johnny walked into a meeting with Lockheed & ordered 100 of them, just like that. The people of Australia didn't even know he was thinking about it.

The fact is, there many experts that strongly believe that the F16, a cheap little single engine fighter designed in the 60's, with a combat record of something like 105 combat kills to ZERO combat losses, is cheaper, available and apparantly better at every combat roll than the X35 JSF. In the interum, Australia has had to buy a flight of Super Hornets, also an exceptionaly good fighter bomber, & looking at now buying a second flight I believe, because the JSF is STILL not ready to go into full production. Infact, Not one JSF is mission ready.

Now I have nothing against spending on millitary, but we need value for dollar, & if you have to do these unannounced secret deals behind the back of the people you are supposed to represent, then you shouldn't be doing them. That is not how Australia bought the FA 18's when we replaced the aging Mirages back in the eighties I think it was.

Too many back door deals done by our Government these days, & While the JSF deal was very wrong in my opinion, I'm not just singling out one party, just one event.

Steve

[rustynail]

Fighter planes are a bit like woodwork tools....We all want the best, settle for the cheapest, wish we never bought it and its obsolete before we even use it.

[Sturdee]

Now I have nothing against spending on military, but we need value for dollar,

Steve

I do have something against spending that money. Why have them at all when they can't even protect our borders against the invasions organised by the Indonesian people smugglers.

To stop that and take back our sovereignty I will vote for Abbot and his team.


Peter.

[petersemple]

I do have something against spending that money. Why have them at all when they can't even protect our borders against the invasions organised by the Indonesian people smugglers.

To stop that and take back our sovereignty I will vote for Abbot and his team.


Peter.

We can easily "protect" our borders against the perfectly legal arrival of asylum seekers on boats. Shooting them out of the water is usually considered poor form though. If there were ever a military threat though, that would be different.

[Sturdee]

We can easily "protect" our borders against the perfectly legal arrival of asylum seekers on boats. Shooting them out of the water is usually considered poor form though. If there were ever a military threat though, that would be different.

Actually I don't think they are asylum seekers but illegal immigrants as all of them have passed through another country where they would have been able to seek asylum.

The only reason they don't do that is that we are a soft touch with too many dogooders and if we don't stop this it will never end. There are approx 40 million refugees and if we allow the floodgates to stay open they'll all want to come here. And the greens will welcome them with open arms.

Only those that arrive by boat direct from their country of persecution, without going through another country, can claim to be legal asylum seekers.

For the record I'm an legal immigrant that came by boat in 1958. It took my parents 5 years to get permission to come here, and it was only possible as sponsored immigrants. That meant that we waited 5 years and got no government assistance during the 2 years of sponsorship as our sponsor was responsible for our welfare.

So I say let them register in the first country they get to and then wait their turn for an orderly settlement in our country. I really hate these queue jumpers.

Peter.

[AlexS]

OK Sturdee, since Tony won't tell us how he'd stop the boats, how about you tell us how you would.

[Gra]

Sturdee, the problem is Indonesia isn't a signatory to the refugee convention, we are. So yes I am afraid that they are LEGAL asylum seekers.

[Ticky]

I do have something against spending that money. Why have them at all when they can't even protect our borders against the invasions organised by the Indonesian people smugglers.

To stop that and take back our sovereignty I will vote for Abbot and his team.


Peter.

Yeah Pete, I kinda got off topic there a little bit, & short of shooting them, which I am not suggesting, there is little the military can do.

You are absolutly correct about them passing through other countries though, & I also agree with with you about queue jumpers.

Hats off to your folks for going about it the right way mate, this is what I believe we all want these people to do.

Steve

[Tonyz]

Iam willing to start a pole about how soon it will be before Turnbull makes a shot at leadership.

My 2 bobs worth The Libs know he will make a hard and decent leader willing to take on all comers but they also know that us (well some of a working party persuasion) would crucify the Libs come election, so,... Mr Abbott comes in, there are no unhappy people (On the surface) in the party, have a fantastic swing to them then 12-18 months later Mr Turnbull will quietly take over.

Money is on the table. Ive got this going several other diverse forums as well. But I do not and will not belong to a party.

[Bushmiller]

Iam willing to start a pole about how soon it will be before Turnbull makes a shot at leadership.

My 2 bobs worth The Libs know he will make a hard and decent leader willing to take on all comers but they also know that us (well some of a working party persuasion) would crucify the Libs come election, so,... Mr Abbott comes in, there are no unhappy people (On the surface) in the party, have a fantastic swing to them then 12-18 months later Mr Turnbull will quietly take over.

Money is on the table. Ive got this going several other diverse forums as well. But I do not and will not belong to a party.

Tony

I think you've made a good observation. Perhaps not a question of if Turnbull gets in, but when. Having said that, what do you think would be the pretext, always supposing the Libs get up at the election. Different if Abbott loses the unloseable election of course.

Regards
Paul

[whitey56]

HI ALL
Here is my "2 bob's" worth, As reported on local radio here about 4 months ago Australia can only afford around 160.000 migrants per year but at the time of the interview 240.000 migrants had landed [ not sure how many illegals in that figure], I don't know how these extra's are being paid for but I suspect it's borrowed, in the last 6 years we have borrowed 300 billion [admitted too] which I doubt if we can pay the interest on.

20% to 25% India's civilian income [sorry I forget the correct name] comes from ex-pat's living oversea's and sending money back home, If this happens with our immigrants it would be disasterous for Australia's economy as we already have those fabulous 457 visa's.

The late mail when Kevin07 won power was he would not see out the term [how right were they] I can see the same happening to Abbott.

If I was given the job to stop the illegal's, firstly there would be no family reunion and then withdraw finance from the country of departure till they make the effort and tell the U.N. to go and get ****.

Sorry about the punctuation I usually talk in mono-syllable's so this is a stretch for me.

Cheers