corby's innocence

[boban]

And the services of 2 QC's I read.

For those who dont know

1 QC = $5,000 - $10000 per day plus expenses.

How the hell do you get free representation like that in a criminal trial in Australia. Please tell me because I dont know. :mad:

[Gra]

Rocker said

There does not seem to be any credible explanation of why anyone would plant the marijuana in her bag. If baggage handlers had conspired to insert it in her bag in Brisbane, why did they not extract it in Sydney? Were they so bungling that they forgot to collect $30,000 worth of pot out of her bag when it got there? And anyway there must surely be less hazardous ways of transporting pot from Brisbane to Sydney.

It stated in the news, that the day that corby passed trough sydney, the federal police were there investergating some baggage hadlers.

Cant say weather she is guilty or not, but the recent arrests of a number of dealers that included some baggage handlers, and the fact the the airline strangely has lost the record of her weigh in when she checked the bag into Brisbane, also the fact that the bag was never fingerprinted gives me enough reasonable dought to question her guilt.

All I can say is if you are flying to anywhere except America. Lock you bags. (You cant lock you bags for flights into America, customs break them open). Also when customs ask you if this bag has been out of your sight the answer is yes, I havent seen it since I checked it in...

By the way Indoneasian customs arnt the most corrupt, it is the customs between russia and mongolia. The forced me to pay US100 in phony insurance when I crossed there (You dont agrue with a guy with an AK47, when he asks for money)

[maglite]

1 QC = $5,000 - $10000 per day plus expenses.

How the hell do you get free representation like that in a criminal trial in Australia. Please tell me because I dont know. :mad:

Perhaps you need a marketing team, a legal team, extreme public sympathy or $$$ from numerous media organisations, be photogenic etc etc etc
Pleeeeaseee, give me a break, the govt is offering taxpayers money for her appeal because there are so many bleeding hearts, social engineers and general do gooders who are under the spell of the diatribe that has been offered by the media and guess what......there might be...just might be VOTES in there somewhere.

[kiwigeo]

By the way Indoneasian customs arnt the most corrupt, it is the customs between russia and mongolia. The forced me to pay US100 in phony insurance when I crossed there (You dont agrue with a guy with an AK47, when he asks for money)

[/i]

No you dont argue with a guy with an AK47...but Id have offered him $200 if he threw in the AK47

[kiwigeo]

There does not seem to be any credible explanation of why anyone would plant the marijuana in her bag. If baggage handlers had conspired to insert it in her bag in Brisbane, why did they not extract it in Sydney? Were they so bungling that they forgot to collect $30,000 worth of pot out of her bag when it got there? And anyway there must surely be less hazardous ways of transporting pot from Brisbane to Sydney.

Rocker

My understanding is there was a police investigation in progress at Sydney airport the day Corby's bags went through....would be a good reason for the pickup guys to cancel the pickup.

Havent really been paying enough attention to the details of Corby's case to make an informed judgment on the girls guilt but what I do know doesn't convince me that shes guilty.

[Rowan]

Guilty or innocent, not sure but here are some hard cold facts

Fins/flippers weight - about 1.7kg
Board weight - about 1.4kg
Board Bag weight - about 1.5kg with wax and rash vest in pocket
Full 4/3 wetsuit - about 1.2kg


totall weight of my stuff comes to 5.8kg.

I placed an extra 4kgs in the pocket and picked it up, very obvious weight difference!!!!!!

And thats for a fully packed bag. My understanding is that she didnt have a wetsuit in her bag so the extra weight would have been far more obvious!!!

Just out of curiosity what are the evidentiary based facts that her "undeniable" innocence is based upon, simply her say so??

[adrian]

The idea that she got caught up in a plot to smuggle grass between QLD and NSW by commercial airline was thin at best. You could almost guarantee that if you were to put 100kgs of the stuff in the boot of your car and drove to Sydney you would have almost no chance of getting caught. Why would someone bother to try and smuggle stuff in her boogie board bag and risk getting caught.
As far as their justice system is concerned, it's a very common system and I don't have a problem with it in principle. The only problem is that it can be corrupted far easier than a jury system.

[Gumby]

Guilty or innocent, not sure but here are some hard cold facts

Fins/flippers weight - about 1.7kg
Board weight - about 1.4kg
Board Bag weight - about 1.5kg with wax and rash vest in pocket
Full 4/3 wetsuit - about 1.2kg


totall weight of my stuff comes to 5.8kg.

I placed an extra 4kgs in the pocket and picked it up, very obvious weight difference!!!!!!

And thats for a fully packed bag. My understanding is that she didnt have a wetsuit in her bag so the extra weight would have been far more obvious!!!

Just out of curiosity what are the evidentiary based facts that her "undeniable" innocence is based upon, simply her say so??

And 4 KG of grass is about the size of a full pillow case !

[Jack E]

And 4 KG of grass is about the size of a full pillow case !

How do you know this gumby?

[Iain]

How do you know this gumby?

I wondered that too.
How many chooks will 4kg fit into?

[Coldamus]

Well, Corby's family didn't instill much confidence and her legal team and comments by her financial backer seemed to cause more harm than good but nevertheless there's enough doubt to be unsure about her guilt or innocence.

To h*ll with political correctness. Any system that presumes guilt rather than innocence is not fair or reasonable. We are talking about people's lives or virtual life imprisonment in a hell-hole. Would you like to be arrested here in Australia by, say, Roger Rogerson or Chris Laycock and presumed guilty of some life imprisonment offence.

That would be bad enough but we're talking about a country where corruption is known to be rife throughout the judicial and political system as well as police and other government agencies (remember Sukarno and Suharto and Suharto's son, Tommy - same again with their successors but I can't remember the names).

I presume you know about the Australian yacht owner who also was facing the death penalty for gun-running because he didn't properly declare a couple of rifles kept on board for protection against pirates. He was set free and so he should have been. He was clearly set up on a technicality. But then I gather he was well off financially.

I agree with Rocker that the connection in the Corby case with smuggling by Qantas baggage handlers is a dubious one. However the fact that Indonesian customs failed to carry out fingerprinting of the bag and refused to allow DNA testing of the marijuana (which might have confirmed its source) makes me wonder whether it may have been planted on her when she arrived. Just think back to the Bali bombing trials and the obvious bias expressed against Australians.

The money spent on an appeal will no doubt be wasted but I'm in agreement with the government doing what it can to bring her back here. I would never go to such a place and would support a boycott until they clean up their act. We are not squeeky clean here either but at least we have safeguards in place.

regards
Coldamus

[nic]

I've always wondered what would have finger printing the bag have acheived ?
Worst case her prints are on there she is guilty
They are not on the bag, so what ? she could have handled it with gloves.
Why is there so much hysteria about this ?

Has she given any reason why she wouldn't have carried drugs ?
Were there any character witnesses ?
Did she need the money that she would have made from the sale ?
Who were her friends coming to bali ? Were they all spotless ?

All her plea seems to be centered around it isn't mine, it was planted. I can see why the judges didn't care less, they must see 100's of similar claims.
And the only witness I heard of was a convicted criminal !!!

nic

[Gumby]

How do you know this gumby?

because if I put any more in, it gets all over the bed !!!!! :eek:

[Coldamus]

Right, all you lot that have ever smoked pot! Line up over here against the wall. We're going to save some money, alright! No need for a trial, you're all guilty. Boban and Maglite will oblige with the AK47s. Hmmm, if we can include the tobacco smokers, I'll help.

You kids standing around had better line up too. What do you mean you only ever sucked a cigarette lolly? Tough t*tties! How do we know it wasn't laced. What? You want to appeal? Bl**dy Wimps! No, its not on, too expensive.

Ok, ready, aim, .....

[Gumby]

Ok, ready, aim, .....

DUCK !!!!