corby's innocence

[Zed]

I am extremely distressed at todays verdict of guilty and a 20 yr sentance. I know I dont have any evidence and am only relying on media reports, however extreme doubt exists in my mind.

I'm only a little fish and i'm sure the indoneseans dont give a stuff about me (Or by the sound of things justice either) but I certainly wont be going to bali or any other indonesian controlled provence.

its pathetic - our pollies should pull thier fingers out and do something (rather than just pontificate) about helping her. no amount of goodwill (Eg $1 Billion in aid) can convincve me otherwise. its a travesty! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

I'd love to have a friggin good rant about this but I dont want to appear racist or have this post deleted.

what do you guys think ? Can we help her somehow ?

[Jack E]

I don't know and unfortunately we never will. You probably can't trust the court system and definately can't trust the media.
The problem is that no matter who is caught with a bag full of drugs they are going to say they are innocent.
This doesn't help those that are and maybe she is.
I guess all Australia can do is a prisoner exchange, whether that means her case can than then be reviewed by our judicial system I don't know.

An unfortunate situation but definately a lesson for all travellers.

Jack.

[silentC]

It probably would have gone a different way here, in fact I don't doubt it. Unfortunately, in Indonesia you are held guilty and must prove your innocence. Most of the evidence in her defence was hearsay and it wasn't enough for them to let her off. In Australia, the burden of proof would be on the prosecution and they probably wouldn't have had enough evidence either.

We don't know if she was guilty or not. How can we? She might be the world's best actress for all we know. I wonder how worked up everyone would have gotten if she was a fat, balding 50 year old bloke from Paramatta.

Anyway, she can still appeal. I feel sorry for her, even if she did do it, because no-one deserves to be locked up in that hell hole.

[Gumby]

My sentiments exaclty Silent. I feel very sorry for her but have NFI whether she is innocent or guilty. Nobody except Corby herself and mayber one or two others know that. I can't stand Bob Brown carrying on just because he belives she is innocent. How does he know ? The government can't get more involved than they already are. We wouldn't appreciate Indonesian influence on our court system. Unfortunately there's only one solution to the Indonesian problem all round - don't bl**dy well go there ! (I'd much rather go back to NZ anyway !)

[craigb]

What Jack E, silentC and Gumby said.

[maglite]

One wonders wether the suggestions of some members of her team that the Indonesian system ,including the judges, was a hot bed of corruption and that most were open to bribery had any bearing on the final outcome?
Wether it be true or not, in hindsight it may well have been better if they had kept their mouths shut and maintained a low profile.

Oh and 1 query i have, the person/s that was backing her defence......what was in it for them?

[RufflyRustic]

Agree with all the above. Am not going over there though. I agree with Gumby, I'd rather go to NZ, but then I'm biased as I came from there anyway

Heard on the ABC Radio News this morning, that an entrepreneur has set up a luggage wrapping service - ~ $8 per item - wrapping in plastic - at one of the city's airports. Seems to be getting a lot of business too.

RR

[namtrak]

What craigb said.

[Slavo]

but I certainly wont be going to bali or any other indonesian controlled provence.

What about boycotting Qantas instead. If what she said is true then their systems are just as culpable. I don't see how boycotting a country will do anything. If she was guilty then the Indo judicial system did it's job, if she was innocent then they got it wrong and she has two more avenues of appeal. You would think there should be evidence against those who put her in that position. No judicial system is 100% foolproof - I've seen plenty of poor decisions in our own backyard to start pointing the bone.

[bitingmidge]

what do you guys think ? Can we help her somehow ?

Stop thinking.
No.

If it hadn't been for the lying, mind thieving press and its fabricated story we wouldn't even know enough about this to care.

The same media was responsible for manipulating the public to believe that Lindy Chamberlain was guilty, and that's what its been doing now.

Channel 9 bought the rights to broadcast live from the Tugun Surf Club for crying out loud.

Whatever the truth, they want us to think she is innocent, so that they can milk the story for longer.

Start thinking clearly people!!!

If she is indeed innocent, then the coincidence of an innocent traveller having a boogy board shaped stash appear in a boogy board bag enroute to Bali is a bit of an interesting one.

If it doesn't make sense for her to smuggle Dope IN to Bali, then it doesn't make sense for anyone else to do so either.

If she was set up by Balinese customs, one must ask why??? Thousands of Tourists pass through daily, why did one person get singled out for a major set-up??? It was too big for a few dollar bribe to fix anyway!

In the absence of any evidence of innocence, we have no right to ask any of these questions in a manner that will cast aspersions on the legal system of another country.

So there!!

P (Sympathetic perhaps, but sceptical about everything we've seen and read.)

[martrix]

I have stuggled with my view's about this case the whole time it's been rammed in our face. Still I remain in limbo, to whether she is guilty or not. I do believe there are many hole's and un-answered questions in both the defence and prosecution's cases'. One thing that HAS re-affirmed my belief's, is that the Media are incredibly influential in dictating the general public in how to act and feel, hmmm........cast's my mind back to a few recent election's.............."What's that Johnny boy, income tax will go down with the introduction of the GST, yipee, that sound's GREAT!"...hmmm well as interest rate's will not rise under a liberal government!!....phht!.......oh and the defendant's translator is cute as pie! Excuse me for my strange post, I have a rampaging Virus

[martrix]

BitingMidge, If I were in the same room with you right now, I would shake your hand buy you a beer!!!!

[nic]

spot on bitingmidge

I've wondered why she hasn't put the blame back on Qantas, why isn't she suing them or the airport ? They were the ones who put the drugs in her bag what waht supervisor staff doing ?
Try and see this from the indonesian point of view, some oz chick comes up with 4.5Kg of drugs in her bag. Of course she will say it's not hers who wouldn't . Then some convicted durg dealer rocks up saying he heard some story about a transfer operation going bad !! Any judge would dismiss that immediately, even here it's hear say at best.

I'd say sue Qantas & the Airport for everything they have, if you are innocent, it's their fault you are in Jail.

What about the others in Indoniesia who are locked up for life, I find it disgracefull that she would get some special treatment.

nic

[bitingmidge]

Am not going over there though.

That's the second time I've heard that in half an hour, and I think it's pretty sad.

DON'T miss out on seeing part of the world because of one person's misadventure.

The country and it's people need our dough and it would be an even greater miscarriage of justice to blame them for one episode.

It's not that bad. Out of curiosity, is there anyone on this forum who's been to Bali AND had a bag searched on the way IN??

Cheers,

P

[Robert WA]

Australian criminal law, based on English law, requires proof of guilt to the standard "beyond reasonable doubt". It is an adversarial system with strict rules of evidence.

Indonesian criminal law, based on Dutch law, requires that facts be proven to a standard roughly equivalent to our "on the balance of probability". It is an inquisitorial system with much more liberal rules of evidence.

Corby may have been acquitted in Australia.

Does that mean that she didn't do it and that our system is better, or does it mean that a lot of guilty people are acquitted here who would have been convicted in Indonesia?

A lot of countries in Europe and elsewhere operate under the "inquisitorial" system adopted in Indonesia and apply the lesser standard of proof. Had Corby been tried in France or Holland, would you challenge the verdict?