Personal responsibility....

[ozwinner]

lets face it opinons are like bums, everyones got one.

I think I got two bums......

Al :eek:

[craigb]

I think I got two bums......

Al :eek:

Well I can only hope that they are chums

[boban]

Some of the attitudes displayed here are the reason why Bob Carr and his mates changed the law so that if your injured in this state, you'll need to know how fill out the sickness benefits form.

An actual example- Chain from crane (the massive ones you see on building sites) falls on the dogman. the guy can't sleep properly. Doctors say he is 14% of a worst case scenario. You need 15% to sue the Company at common law. Result, From $1,500 clear per week to about $300.

Notice how the insurers have more than doubled their share price in the last two years. I wonder why.

Lawyer and court bashing makes it easier for d1cks like Bob to screw the working man. Most lawyers are honorable people who work hard for their clients. There are bad apples like in every profession but not that many.

And I know I'm asking for it now but ask yourself why it is that that priests, teachers and lawyers are the first to go missing in the middle of the night when a dictatorship gets a hold of power.

And another thing, where else would you get a judge from if not from the ranks of solicitors and barristers. Joe blow is not exactly going to understand the latest High Court decision is he?

And another, most Magistrates come from the ranks of the prosecution side, dont they Dan?

[DanP]

Boban,

As you might see, I stuck up for the lawyers on this one. Your example of a man injured at work is not really relevant to this matter and I agree that he should have had recourse to full wage whilst affected by the incident at work.

To the best of my knowledge, and I have had too much to do with the DPP in Vic. a lot of the new magistrates that we are getting through have done a lot of time in legal aid and similar low paying areas of law. They are generally not the greatest for either side but tend to be a soft touch in the penalty area.

Dan

[boban]

DanP-

Yep, saw that mate.

I guess the PC people are doing the best to change for the worse..... "Mr X this is only your twentieth B&E, so its your last chance, $100 fine and $56 in court costs. You have 28 days to pay.....

As far as relevance is concerned. What I am trying to say is even though that guys example is a joke (the insurer wont pay on principle), blaming lawyers is an easy cop out.

For me "personal responsibility" equates to the recent pieces of legislation Bob passed for the insurers. Even though I practice in the Construction Law area, I hate what he has done to our Personal Injury system.

[DanP]

I think the main thrust of the discussion in this case is that people who know better should not be allowed to win court cases when they are the cause of their own injury, such as in the circumstance stated in the first post. I think there should be a stupidity clause at common law that states that if your injury is a cause of your own stupidity, you will lose at court.

Dan

PS. Bob CARR is a wanker and his idea of 'personal responsibility' is bullshyte.

[Guy]

I had heard a similar story about a certain hardware chain based in WA that has experts telling customers how to wire in power points. the story goes that a gentleman went to buy some cable and gpo's and the in store expert showed him how to wire the parts together. whilst installing he electocuted him self as he was not told he had to isolate the switchboard.
When i heard that i would place the blame on the hardware chain solely as it is illegal to install wiring unless you are licenced as apparantley the expert was not an electrician nor licenced.
BTW the guy survived

[beejay1]

I had heard a similar story about a certain hardware chain based in WA that has experts telling customers how to wire in power points. the story goes that a gentleman went to buy some cable and gpo's and the in store expert showed him how to wire the parts together. whilst installing he electocuted him self as he was not told he had to isolate the switchboard.
When i heard that i would place the blame on the hardware chain solely as it is illegal to install wiring unless you are licenced as apparantley the expert was not an electrician nor licenced.
BTW the guy survived

I hope just an isolated case ,, but quite shocking nevertheless!!
beejay1

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[Bob Willson]

Ok Beejay1 that is quite enough out of you. You're grounded.

[beejay1]

Ok Beejay1 that is quite enough out of you. You're grounded.

beejay1

http://community.webshots.com/user/eunos9

[Iain]

Going back several posts I recall reading of an obstinate female who wanted to feed the dolphins contrary to local laws (this was in USA), the rangers spotted her waist deep in water feeding fish to the 'dolphins' swirling around her and went out in their boat to pick her up.
She protested violently stating it was her right to swim with her friends or whatever until the rangers pointed out the the tails on these dolphins were vertical

[jow104]

Ok Beejay1 that is quite enough out of you. You're grounded.

Perhaps earthed should also be considered

[kiwigeo]

I'm suing you for breach of promise :mad:

Im going to put these lawyers out of business...Im going to do something really stupid and then sue myself.