Animal cruelty …. Time for legal action.

[Eastie]

What really happened to the cat, Silent?

[silentC]

What are you on about Eastie?

Dan, I'm shocked that would think me capable of such a thing.

[Wood Borer]

I think you lot are funny.

We train people to kill people ( the Army dude/s )
And when he/they killed a kitten you all get upset. :confused:

Al :confused:

Al,

I thought they trained these military people to keep world peace and so we can be proud of our flag!

That's what I was told at school and anyone who suggested anything about killing was called a radical and received the strap. That made us respect their views and see sense.

Are you a long haired pot smoking disrepectful radical Al?

Iain,

You are right, the most destructive and cruel animal is in plague proportions.

Should it be culled?

[ozwinner]

Are you a long haired pot smoking disrepectful radical Al?

Used to have long hair, never smoked pot, the rest is true.

Al

[silentC]

never smoked pot

Yeah right. And I didn't inhale...

[bitingmidge]

There seems to be a double standard when it comes to cruelty to animals. Cruelty towards animals that look nice or are frequently kept as pets seems to be regarded as far more heinous than cruelty towards animals that are generally regarded as pests, such as cane toads.

I agree wholeheartedly, but keep making the distinction between merely killing them quickly and quietly, and torture!

In that respect isn't Ozwinner correct? No fuss is made over troops actually killing Iraqi soldiers, just when they are captured and humiliated. Given the choice between the two, I know which one I'd pick.

Personally, I don't like killing cane toads. It is not their fault that they were imported into Australia. But many people who would never consider cruelty to a kitten have no compunction in taking a golf club to a cane toad.

I don't like it either, but I do. We don't get many, but the little buggers could give rabbits a lesson in the rooting stakes, and make one heck of a mess of my fish pond population. Since the inhabitants are considered pets, I do what I can to preserve them.

I don't use golf clubs which mostly just stun the poor things, a heavy blow with the flat of a shovel is quick and effective. I understand that some do take advantage of the cold-blooded nature of the animal and freeze them, which is apparently very humane, but I've been accidentally locked in a freezer with no lights and wouldn't wish that on a toad!

My cruelty threshold reaches a little lower down the evolutionary scale - I have no compuntion about killing insects or bacteria that can pose a health hazard, but I am happy enough to let the native fauna compete with feral imports. If they cannot withstand the competition, so be it - let evolution take its course.

Butterflys don't count surely? OR BITING MIDGES:eek: :eek: :eek:

Ironically gold fish (carp) are one of the few species which can develop a resistance to the toad toxins.... if evolution takes it's course unassisted we could end up living in a very nasty world although at the rate our native plants and animals take control in other environments, Florida or NZ will look like home before we know it!

Cheers,

P (Foundation member of the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Insects.)

[echnidna]

yeah - just sat downwind of those who were on pot.

[DaveInOz]

On my uncles property in northern NSW I went roo shooting with my 'cousins' (there really is only two big families in town ).
I didn't mind shooting the roos as it had to be done, but at one point when the first bullet didn't kill it they would refuse to waste another bullet and kick it to death.
With rabbits they didn't waste the first bullet but would spotlight it and catch it live, then let the dogs play with it.
I was nearly physically ill, I never went again.

Shooting bunnies on the local golf course back in Melbourne was okay as any that were winged immediatly had their neck snapped.

Incidently it is a lot easier to shoot something than it is to kill it with your hands, the gun seems to remove you from the reality of what you are doing.

[bitingmidge]

So how come if someone was to put a plastic bag over a kitten's head and leave it in the sun to suffocate, they would be cruel, but if they were to take a fish out of water and do the same, it's ok??

Fish don't have eyebrows.

So because they can't wince does that make it perfectly acceptable behaviour?

If one was to put a kitten on a string and pull it anywhere against it's wishes (but let's say for the purpose of this example into a creek) then one would be rightly accused of cruelty, yet one can do that to a fish, using attachements that penetrate it's flesh and be considered a "sportsman".

P (gone fishing to think this through!)

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[nic]

If one was to put a kitten on a string and pull it anywhere against it's wishes (but let's say for the purpose of this example into a creek) then one would be rightly accused of cruelty, yet one can do that to a fish, using attachements that penetrate it's flesh and be considered a "sportsman".

P (gone fishing to think this through!)

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I have nothing aginast killing animals to feed yourself hey that's life !
Killing / tortutre for pleasure or sport only is definetely not OK in my books
At least when you fish you give the fish a chance nothing is forcing him to take the bait Killing a Deer from 500m with rifle & sight is slaughter killing it with a bow & arrow now that's sportsmanship (considering you eat it after too) !
And I see myself as strong animal rights believer.

nic

[echnidna]

But wottabout the worm when you thread it on a fish hook ????

[Grunt]

with a bow & arrow now that's sportsmanship

While I agree mostly with this sentiment, it is much harder to get a clean kill with a bow and arrow than it is with a high powered rifle.

[routermaniac]

This is an interesting thread... but I think a little perspective needs to be brought into this. This is coming from someone with experience in the medical/health system, I have been working as a doctor for the last 5 years...

I think before we start trying to fix our issues and concerns with the treatment of animals and animal rights we need to look closer to home. Sir Stinkalot, if you think those sentences given out to those particular individuals for animal cruelty were "soft" I can assure you a lot of rapists are given similar... ior worse still never trialled.

What about THAT as an outrage???? What about our health standards and average life expenctancy of the indigenous people??? Some of these stats are similar to third world nations....

I think THAT is ridiculous and although I do agree that these sick and twisted people that inflict pain and suffering on innocent animals need to be brought to justice... a lot more important things need to be adressed first that are conveniently ignored by our so called leaders.

And I do agree our legal system is almost a joke, a very distasteful one at that.

regards


marios

[bitingmidge]

While I agree mostly with this sentiment, it is much harder to get a clean kill with a bow and arrow than it is with a high powered rifle.

Given the choice I think I'd rather be shot by a marksman than a sportsman!


P (Sorry Stinks, I know I keep hijacking a really serious topic, and I am sympathetic...really... I just don't know where it all begins or ends... I'm with RouterManiac on this one too! )

[Sturdee]

This is an interesting thread... but I think a little perspective needs to be brought into this.........I have been working as a doctor for the last 5 years...

And I do agree our legal system is almost a joke, a very distasteful one at that.

I hope that you are really a doctor not just working as one.

But you are right, recently I started a thread on whether the effective sentence given in the jury case I was on was justice seeing it was only 4 1/2 years for killing a person in a motor vehicle collission. To me the whole legal system needs to be overhauled with effective minimum and maximum sentences.

Peter.