have you heard of one side veneering?

[mark david]

Hi I'm glad someone agrees with me
While I was over here I used a Vacuum press for the first time,it's a great tool to use.

Forget that vinyl coated crap,I have a kitchen back home where it has started to peel away and it looks awful.
Mind you some of the solid timber rubbish over here is just as bad,Sticking a slab of timber with the bark still attached on a stump isn't what I would call cabinet making either and the prices being asked for these is unbeleivable.
Am looking forward to the show and will be submitting entries to the competition

[katbobkat]

"I'm glad someone agrees with me "
Well .... only if there are no Aussies around! ha ha ha.
I needed too a touch of adjustment to get use to to understand the term: "cabinet maker" and "art", "artist", and I still have belly laugh when I rock up in a gallery with plastic witches in it on display, or slabs of timber with bark on it for coffee table. I feel for you, it is truly a culture shock.
But it will get better!

I have seen the vacuum bag in use, I have seen some good and peeling results as well as cracking veneer. My concern is that the bag does not squeese out the glue, traps it, and liquid cannot be compressed. My understanding of good gluing is: minimum moisture, minimal glue, and as much contact surface as possible with the aim that the two timber becomes one. Trapped glue becomes a third material moving differently between the timbers. For veneering that can be disastrous.
But I am open to see some long lasting projects coming from vacuum bags. In my work I put many hours into a project, I would be cranky if it lifts in 20 years time. Or even 40! I think I wait a little longer for convincing results.
Probably its the technique how to use it. For curved surfaces vacuum bag would be awesome!

"submitting entries to the competition[/QUOTE]" Now that is serious, good luck with it. I think I will spot your work from miles. I bet. hi hi hi.

See you at the show.
Kat

[katbobkat]

Hi mArk,

I posted my reply, and I just realised that my number one "enemy" in marquetry making/teaching is a little kit made in ENGLAND! It tells you exactly how not to succeed.
So here you are, its not just the Aussies!

[chris_77]

Hi Chris,

"I am still using traditional way of veneering using pearl glue and some small tools."

Thanks for your reply. Do you veneer by hand larger surfaces? Where do you live/work?

cheers katbobkat

Good Day katbobkat
I do veneer lagre surtace alright,some of them probably you have seen in my album.Moved to Cork,Ireland seven years ago and I still working hire ,working as furniture restorer,cabinet maker,wood carver
...an so on
cherrs

[katbobkat]

"I do veneer lagre surtace alright,some of them probably you have seen in my album."

Hi Chris,
Yes I have seen your work and they do look impressive. Do you veneer them by hand? Or you have a veneer press?
What is your experience on one side veneering?

You moved from Aussie to Ireland? Or did I get that wrong?
cheers
Kat

[the]

"One flop so far, the Huon Pine popped off like it never seen glue! "
Huon Pine contains a lot of oil. Bit like teak and both timbers can be hard to glue.
The oil on the surface of the prevents the glue to penertrate into the pores of the wood.
I once glued teak to a fibreglass deck on a boat with an epoxy glue and just before applying the glue I wiped the wood surface with acetone which removed the oil for a depth enough for the glue to penertrate. Did some sample test before finishing a 30 ft deck.
All my glueing of Huon I've used the same priciple and it works Animal glue expoy what ever.
Normal PVA not so good but better class PVA OK.
This applies to many other timber species which have high oil or tannin content.
Years ago Gluelan Beams made fro WA Karri failed after some years in service and it was found that glues did not penetrate into the timber.
Acetone Meths IPA can be used but needs some testing before using.
Hope this helps

[katbobkat]

Yes, I did re-glue the Huon and cleaned it with Acetone before gluing. I am waiting for the result. So far so good, but I wait a year to be sure.
Thanks for the reassurance.
cheers