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    There is a fine line between sticking up for yourself and enhancing your promotional opportunities or long term employment.

    Proving you have been discriminatated against is rather difficult if the reasons given for your lack of promotion appear to an outsider to be reasonable even though you and everyone else knows the real reason.

    Who these days would publicly state the reasons for lack of promotion being on the basis of gender, race, sexuality, someone who sticks up for themselves or others etc? I think they are the reasons in many cases but these are not the officially stated reasons so it is only the idiots who get caught out and you probably wouldn't want to work for them anyway.
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    We have a casual dress policy where I work which is smart casual Mon-Fri and Jeans but no t-shirts on a Friday. The jeans however need to be presentable ie no gaping holes, patches, crutches that brush the floor, maybe some of the jean wearers are more extreme than others and it them that are causing the change in policy...

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    I think I am lucky to be sat here wearing tracky-daks that probably weren't fashionable when I bought them 5 years ago or so and a t-shirt that has been through the wash so many times it is not really t-shirt shaped any more. And I'm by no means the worst dressed.

    where a senior member of staff is being unreasonable then the only "safe" way of dealing with it is presenting a united front. I'm aware of people who've been close to nervous breakdown because of a bullying staff member.

    an alternative approach might be to discuss with your students what they believe are appropriate clothes - you may find that the girls in your classes ( who are probably wearing uniforms rather than their own choice of clothes very reluctantly) will be supportive of your choice.

    If there is no written down dress code for teachers perhaps you could go on the offensive and suggest that one be developed in discussion with girls and their parents ( but only if your initial spadework suggests that the end result will go in your favour ).
    no-one said on their death bed I wish I spent more time in the office!

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    The students at your school are very fortunate not only to have a woodwork teacher but school management that spends time on considering whether a teacher wears jeans or not.

    The jeans to most people seem to be a trivial matter and if your management spends time on this topic, they must spend heaps of time on the important topics.
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    Talking Maybe a poill is needed.

    With such conflicting advice may be a poll is needed.

    How about you posting a few photos where you model various outfits and we vote which is the best.


    Peter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sturdee
    With such conflicting advice may be a poll is needed.

    How about you posting a few photos where you model various outfits and we vote which is the best.


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    What a good idea Peter.

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    I can't believe dress code is such an issue for teachers in a school :confused:

    If they won't allow jeans then surely a cotton drill or gaberdine is acceptable and the top could only be a problem if you are hanging out of it or it's see through - not a difficult decision. My wife - a psychologist - works in a school one day every week and common sense prevails - even with a short skirt

    BTW it's great to see woodwork being taught and that girls are doing it, not sure my macho nature agrees but hey the more the merrier
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    this is Gold Leaders future wife aka swmbo

    i am a teacher (well pretty much)-and i got roused on earlier this year over dress code where i was working so i know what you mean (had to wear a "ladies shoe with a heel"-apparently leather lace-up practical colorados don't cut it).
    I would say given you are a specialist teacher to get in touch with the NSW teachers union OHAS section-and ask if they could recommend an "appropriate" uniform for the dangerous job you do -like going into a high school classroom packed with hormonal teenagers wasn't dangerous enough!

    I can see their point about jeans, but i would argue on safety grounds that you need specialist equipment-and overalls do not meet this description due to personal comfort and safety-ie they are too hot to wear in summer and you don't want heat exhaustion.
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    An alternative to overalls and dustcoats are traditional woodworkers aprons.
    This could facilitate comfortable clothing plus the essential protective workwear.

    But shouldn't all the students also have suitable protective clothing.
    Can the school afford aprons, overalls etc for each student??
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    As a registered manual arts teacher in Qld I choose to wear Blue jeans , Steel capped Blundstones and a King gee shirt most days. In the workshop environment I wear a blue lab coat to stay as clean as possible. The number one priority in my shop is safety, for students and teachers. Teachers are not permitted in my shop unless they have the correct footwear on.
    I have had no problems with senior staff regarding my dress code as not becoming of a teacher. Most of the time your covered in dust, fumes, glue.... even in the lab coat. I think it is trivial. If the techer involved is performing unsatisfactorily then by all means chastise him/her. Just my 43 cents worth.

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    What is it that they deem to be acceptable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by echnidna
    But shouldn't all the students also have suitable protective clothing.
    Can the school afford aprons, overalls etc for each student??
    The students have aprons to wear during practical lessons and we have a few dust coats that the studnets can wear if they need too.

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    No bites, :confused: not even a nibble
    Perhaps the bait was too obvious :confused:
    Oh well I'm off to a better fishing hole (thread), someone, somewhere, needs the p1ss taken out of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveInOz
    No bites, :confused: not even a nibble
    Perhaps the bait was too obvious :confused:
    someone, somewhere, needs the p1ss taken out of them.
    I think that you must have got the response that you deserved. So have fun in another (thread)

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    She's got ya there Dave

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