Greenhouse gases.....grizzle time

[Iain]

I just received my first account from Red Energy, a bit cheaper than the opposition and a 5% discount for paying on time, but.....and this is a big but, there is a little notice on the back telling me that ""I"" have sent 2.5 tonnes of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.
Now, as far as I was aware, I only bought the power, I didn't generate it, sorry, I don't have the spare few billion dollars to put in a power plant that is environmentally friendly.
So why do these bastards tell me that I am the perpetrator of such a vile act (not to mention Greenpeace with their diesel powered ship belching out exhaust fumes in the name of conservation), surely they are the ones burning the coal or whatever to provide me with what is claimed to be clean energy.
I just can't win.

[Grunt]

Because if you were dead you wouldn't use electricity and therefore wouldn't generate greenhouse gasses. Last time I looked you were alive.

Don't pass the buck. It's you who is using the electicity which produces the greenhouse gasses. Use less electicity. Get solar.

95% of all electricity is Victoria is generated by fosil fuels which generate greenhouse gasses. There are no viable environmentally alternatives to fosil fuels.

Power down.

[ptc]

GLOBAL WARMING !!!
what a load of crap,
when i was a young fella it was Global Cooling " the ice age was coming"
we were told that it would be the second ice age
Still Waiting for that.

In Queensland you can buy GREEN electrcity but never found any one that had seen any.

[bitingmidge]

Winning is possible, but you won't like the lifestyle!

They have a point...you polluter of my world you!!

On the other hand, EVERY project I have had approved over the last five years has had connection to mains electricity as a condition of approval.

One of those I managed to win on objection, you account of it was 20 miles offshore on an island, but there is no choice on the others.

So self sufficiency and sustainability are just buzz words that pollies and planners use to get you to pay levies to ensure their infrastructure doesn't have to be sustainable....

Stop this!! I'm going to the beach!!

Cheers,

P

[Iain]

BUt everytime there is a move to put in wind generators the protesters come out and kill it, solar is not a viable option for us, we use little in comparison to some households, I recycle all my rubbish, drive a 1200cc car when I am not towing, walk into town.
Solar hot water gets bad reports from all the plumbers I have spoken to, solar electicity is just far too expensive to set up, did it once with gas refrigerator.
Can watch TV but not do the washing, do the washing but can't iron, inverters are not that efficient and even the solar providers will tell you that if you are close to a mains supply it is a better option.
I used to work with an armchair conservationist, claimed to be a vegetarian too, does that means he eats more legumes and therefore buggers up the atmosphere with an excess of methane?
I cannot stand protesters who have nothing to contribute as an option.

[Studley 2436]

The Science that they use to proove the greenhouse effect if very soft. Einstein proved in about 1930 that the earth is a closed system. Nothing is lost it just changes but the same elements are there in the the exact same numbers ad infinitum.

A good one is the way the so called hole in the greenhouse layer is growing. They took the measurements downwind from Mt Erebus which is spewing cholrine into the atmosphere. From this they said gee gosh cars make CO2 which then bonds with the Ozone O3 making carbon monoxide and oxygen and no ozone we will all die of skin cancer!

Of course in the same breath they bleated about the ozone cars make which is what makes the smog around cities but that doesn't get up into the atmosphere's high levels unlike the CO2. So proof cars make the smog and wreck the ozone layer. Clever cars aren't they!

Regarding climate change they just don't know. 20 years ago they thought we were about to freeze in a new ice age. They don't even know if there is any clilmate change happening. Well the earths climate has changed over the eons so it is fair to assume it is changing but that is about all they can assume.

Studley

[Grunt]

Nothing is lost it just changes but the same elements are there in the the exact same numbers ad infinitum.

Yes but there location is different. These carbon molocules were 1000's of metres underground and now they are floating in the atmosphere.

The majority of climatologists beleive that global warming is real. Even George Bush has thinks it's real.

Who here thinks that the weather is whackyier now than when they were young. More extreme weather. Get used to it.

The earth has undergone many changes in climate over the ages. It's just doing it fast now.

I cannot stand protesters who have nothing to contribute as an option.

I don't think there is a technical solution to greenhouse. The world is hell bent on economic growth which means that we will continue to use more energy. There is not any viable cheap source of energy other than coal and oil. Nuclear does not produce greenhouse gases but the waste that is produced is quite vile and it won't break down anytime soon.

Solar hot water gets bad reports from all the plumbers I have spoken to, solar electicity is just far too expensive to set up, did it once with gas refrigerator.

You should have a look at heat pump type hot water systems. They can also heat your house. http://www.quantumenergy.com.au/

In my opinion the world is fricked. So enjoy it while you can.

[Greg Q]

Because if you were dead you wouldn't use electricity and therefore wouldn't generate greenhouse gasses.
.

The decomposition though releases carbon. If cremated, more of the same. You can't win.

Global climate change and greenhouse gases may be unproven. Problem is,
the proof is the end of the world as we know it.

There are three kinds of air pollution that I understand:

Chlorinated gases which harm the ozone layer*

Particulates which harm your lungs

carbon dioxide which acts as an insulator, causing warming. (and more water vapour uptake, which is itself a greenhouse gas)

*I read once that scientists in the antarctic used halon as a lubricant for their core drills, and tons of it. Halon is banned in fire extiguishers because of the ozone problem. Can anyone refute this story?

Anyway Iain, don't feel bad. In my job I personally create about 14,000 tonnes of CO2 a year. All of this may be my fault

[Termite]

I read somewhere that Australia's biggest contributors to the greenhouse gas problem was all the sheep and cattle we have.

Does this mean we should all become vegetarians.......with the same gas problem.

[Greg Q]

Here's some cheery news:

http://www.ghgonline.org/methane.htm

[Grunt]

I read somewhere that Australia's biggest contributors to the greenhouse gas problem was all the sheep and cattle we have.

Does this mean we should all become vegetarians.......with the same gas problem.

No, we need to eat kangaroo, deer and chickens. These are low impact animals. Being a vego doesn't really help. Modern farming methods require so much oil to be consumed that the net greenhouse emissions are very high.

Like I said before we're fricked.

[Grunt]

Termite, it's all your fault.

http://www.ghgonline.org/methanetermite.htm

[Termite]

Termite, it's all your fault.

http://www.ghgonline.org/methanetermite.htm

Believe me, I produce much more than 1/2 microgram each day. Should I go and slash my wrists or wait for the usual slip with a chisel.

[oges]

I read somewhere that Australia's biggest contributors to the greenhouse gas problem was all the sheep and cattle we have.

Does this mean we should all become vegetarians.......with the same gas problem.

No just have more bbq's

[Greg Q]

No just have more bbq's

Sorry, no. Read the first article here:

http://www.ghgonline.org/index.htm