i recon not having a holiday on anzac day is just plain unaustralian.
anzac day is the most important day on the clandar for most australians.
whada you think.
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i recon not having a holiday on anzac day is just plain unaustralian.
anzac day is the most important day on the clandar for most australians.
whada you think.
I think it would be nice to have another public holiday but i guess the day falls on Saturday so what are you going to "pay homage" to on Monday or friday.
The same as Australia Day - do the americans celebrate the 4th of July on the fifth or any other day.
And i suppose now we have 7 day shopping and a lot of people work different days - not just monday to friday - so it may be irrelevant
I'd still like the holiday though, the more the better but i suppose employers done see it that way.
Cheers
It seems odd that it is a public holiday if it falls Monday to Friday but not on a Saturday or Sunday. It would indicate that they only think the workforce are Monday to Friday. I would love a day off on Monday but the day itself is on a Saturday so there is no point having Monday off. The public holiday should be on the 25th April no matter what day of the week it falls on.
It is interesting here in Victoria that in 2009 when Anzac day falls on a Saturday there is no public holiday. In 2010 it falls on a Sunday so we have Monday as a public holiday, but in 2011 when it falls on Easter Monday we get Tuesday off???
"Victorians will receive a substitute public holiday for ANZAC Day in 2010 and 2011, following a Council for the Australian Federation (CAF) agreement to increase harmonisation of all Australian states and territories’ approach to ANZAC Day.
The Premier, John Brumby, said that under the CAF agreement Victorians would have a substitute public holiday on the following Monday when ANZAC Day falls on a Sunday in 2010 and a substitute public holiday on the following Tuesday when ANZAC Day falls on Easter Monday in 2011.
“ANZAC Day holds a special place for so many Victorians, each year providing the opportunity for us all to remember and learn more about the sacrifices made by our veterans and to keep their memory alive in our community,” Mr Brumby said.
“While all states and territories have legislation in place that prescribes Anzac Day as a public holiday on April 25, there have been varied approaches to whether a holiday is observed the following Monday when Anzac Day falls on a Sunday.
“This new agreement is a positive and practical outcome that increases harmonisation of the Anzac Day holiday across state borders, removes some anomalies between the states and means that in 2010 and 2011, Victorians will get a substitute holiday when ANZAC day falls on Sunday and Easter Monday respectively.”
Mr Brumby said that all commemorative events associated with ANZAC day would continue to be observed on 25 April.
“It is important that the commemoration of ANZAC day continue to occur on 25 April,” he said. "
Taken from http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/newsro...-and-2011.html
yep i think anzac day isthe one day every shop should close.
Saturday is the gazzetted day for the public holiday, as that is Anzac Day.
I can see where you are coming from Weisy, but think of it this way, if you were working in an industry that that was 24 hrs a day 7 days a week (and there's quite a few these days) would you rather have the Friday off and have to work on the Saturday.
I know I would rather have my day off to celebrate Anzac Day on the actual day, and this year that happens to be on Saturday.
Weisy I agree :2tsup: but it has to be total closure meaning from all walks of life.:rolleyes: But only on the day it falls (edited)
This says a lot of how all these companies feel about Service personell and what they put themselves at risk for, so these people may have a life time of freedom and safe living. So they may try and do in a democratic way rid ANZAC from our lives, in other countries they if trying to remove such events would be jailed or shot.
While they deny one day of homage and thanks to reflect the losses and service given.:((
So lets drop the Union pushed paid penalties for ANZAC day see how far we'd get.
No sport ie:- Footy, Golf, Soccer, etc etc as these are now business run ventures with many paid employee's.
No service stations, buses, trains, planes
No Macca's, KFC, etc
What of Police, Ambo's, Nurses
One of the main business pushing for opening is all under one banner Wesfarmers look at who their board of directors are and major share holders not one return service man or woman.
Apparently there is the same level of services on Saturday as there would be if Anzac day falls on a weekday, ie supermarkets and large shops will be closed etc etc. That's as it should be I reckon, and I hope there is never a public holiday given on a Friday or a Monday if it falls on a weekend. The day should be honoured on the day.
Cheers
Michael
I'm with Wheelin'.
I seem to recall that ,in days of yore, a public holiday was just that, and there was no commerce (except emergencies),and very little sport etc.
ANZAC Day ,having almost disappeared a few years ago, now has become,in many Aussies' eyes, the most important "celebration" of the year, and as such, should be accorded the respect with which it is due.It is a day on which we should thank all the members of the services, past and present,for what they have done, and continue to do.
Lest we forget.
Should be seen as a regular public holiday, as for no commerce, what if all the pubs closed too! :C
All holidays should be on the days they coincide with not before or after.
As mentioned would the US have the fourth of july on any other day.
All business should close for those days and all other activity stop also.
All it is greed for another $ we should respect what those days were for Anzac Day, Labor day Mothers day etc.
Just because it is on a weekend does not mean to get another day of in luie all the weekday workers never complain when it lands in the week as this happens five years in a row but the moment it happens on the weekend all hell breaks loose.
I disagree. I think we should get a day off on Friday. The boss is getting an extra day for free out of me this year. :)
I agree with Jim
Anzac Day & Australia Day in particular should be on the actual date
No one is suggesting having it on a different date but the public holiday should be on a weekday. Why should the public holiday and the observance be on the same day? Is the Queen's Birthday actually on the 8th of June? The public holiday is about giving workers a day off, hence the name. Having a public holiday on a weekend is pointless for the majority of the population.
Well I don't care anyway because of the economic downturn I get everyday off.
neither do I, every day is a holiday for me:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Barry_White
My boss says that about me too but that's not the point!
IMO there should be no 'public holiday' granted - ANZAC Day is not a celebration. It is to remember the sacrifice of men and women on active service.
soth
It has been a public holiday since 1916. Obviously the people around at the time that these sacrifices were made thought it warranted one. I guess they're all gone now, so you wont be able to ask them why.
Actually, you can blame the kiwis because I think they were the first to have a day off over it.
But be that as it may, it is, and has long been, a public holiday. I suppose a lot of people get involved in the meaning of the event, but the majority these days would just see it as an opportunity to spend a day with family or go to the pub and play two up the one time of the year it is 'legal' to do so.
I'm not religious but I'm happy to take Friday and Monday off over Easter and Christmas day too.
Why should a day set aside to remember those who fell and those who served entitle us to a day off on another day? Is it a right they fought and died for?Quote:
Originally Posted by silentC
OK Silent, don't answer that. They were Australians, it probably bloody was!
Cheers
Michael
See my post above though. It has been a public holiday for close to 100 years. My only issue is that I miss out on a day off this year. Australia day last year was on a Saturday but we still got a public holiday on the Monday. It had nothing to do with the celebration of Australia Day - the labour unions negotiated with the government to give us a day off. It is an entitlement after all. That aspect of it has nothing to do with the ANZAC spirit etc.
But yes you are right, I believe they were fighting for the type of world in which we are able to have a day off every now and then.
SC how do you miss having a day off :B do you work Saturday's :?
What you mean is your not getting a paid day off I think :rolleyes::roll:
No I don't work on Saturday but I fail to see what that has to do with anything I have posted.
If there was a public holiday for ANZAC day on the Monday, like there should be, like there will be in WA and ACT, I would get a day off work. Just like there was for Australia day last year.
Anyway, it will never happen again:
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...006009,00.htmlQuote:
A new national agreement, which takes effect from 2010, will harmonise substitute public holidays when Anzac Day falls on a Sunday, as it does in 2010, or on a public holiday, such as Easter Monday in 2011.
In 2010, all states and territories will have a public holiday on the Monday, and in 2011 the Easter holiday break will be extended to Tuesday, April 26.
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Originally Posted by silentC
So whats this statement :?
Man oh man. You and I are really on different planets, aren't we?
I give up. Whatever you think I meant is good enough for me at this point...
Now now boys, play nicely!!
If the servicemen and women hadn't been there over the years, we may well not have had the oportunity to dissent.
Holiday or no holiday, paid or otherwise, just be a bit appreciative.
LEST WE FORGET.
Nobody is challenging the concept of ANZAC day. In fact I don't need a special day to be appreciative of what was done.
The topic of debate here is whether there should be a public holiday. I think very few working people would turn it down.
But there is a public holiday on the 25th April - the day it falls on.:2tsup::rolleyes:
What you want is a day off work between monday and friday using Anzac day as the excuse.:- I think you will find the public holiday was gazetted so working people can go to the activities put on with the rememberance theme in mind. If you have a day off Monday there will be no such activities for you to go to, hence no reason to have a day off any day but the 25th April.:roll:
That is what sickpay is for just ring up and say you are ill - there you go - a day off.:D:D
Did you happen to read any of the other stuff above? :)
WA and ACT have seen fit to grant it, and following a Council for the Australian Federation agreement, all states will grant a substitute public holiday for ANZAC day next year (when it falls on a Sunday) and the year after (when it falls on Easter Monday).
I'm not asking for anything out of the ordinary. The only reason we aren't getting one in NSW is probably because the RSL whinged louder than the unions.
And I don't care what anyone says, declaring a public holiday on a weekend is a ridiculous concept.
Yep read every post but that doesnt change the fact the commemeration day is the 25th and that is the day that should be a public holiday. So tell me next year if you are say a nurse or Policeman and are rostered to work Sunday and Monday do you get paid 2 public holidays or only one. Does that mean you then work on Sunday (25th April) for single pay, or is it Monday you work for single pay when you (who doesnt work Sunday will get holiday pay?
"And I don't care what anyone says, declaring a public holiday on a weekend is a ridiculous concept."
Not if you work on a Saturday or Sunday
There are four aspects to this.
The first one is that Anzac day, falling on Saturday, is a public holiday and must be observed in accordance with the special laws dealing with Anzac day.
Secondly businesses can operate on public holidays, with the proviso as above, but must pay their staff additional moneys for working on such public holidays.
Thirdly if gazetted public holidays are observed on the day, and not substituted to a different day, employees who are normally rostered of on that day must be paid a day's pay, given a day of within 28 days in lieu or a day added to their holiday.
Finally if a substitute day is gazetted these provisions apply to the substitued days and not the original day.
So if you normally don't work on a saturday you must be paid anyway.
Wonderfull laws we have as for instance when Christmas and Boxing day fell on saturday and sunday, those working on saturday and sunday got normal pay but those working on the substituted days of monday and tuesday, like me :D , got 2 1/2 times pay.
Peter.
I don't work on Saturday or Sunday now. When I did, we were paid double time for Sundays and public holidays. We would still have to work. That's a choice you make if you work in shift work or retail. Nobody holds a gun to your head.
To carry your argument to a logical conclusion, we should abolish weekends altogether and every day can be a working day. It's all arbitrary anyway, so what's the point? They should just bump up our leave entitlements and abolish public holidays. Then people who don't celebrate Easter can take their 4 day break in a nicer part of the year.Quote:
Not if you work on a Saturday or Sunday
Anyway it's a pointless debate because, as I already said at least twice, from next year we'll be getting the substitute holiday if it falls on a weekend, so obviously greater minds than ours have made their decision and it happens to agree with my opinion, which is fine by me. :)
You sure you want to stand by that comment:D:D:o:doh:Quote:
Originally Posted by silentC
I am glad I don't employ anybody any longer.... employees are whingers.... :rolleyes:
If you trade/work on a weekend or a public holiday you are called greedy even though they are the ones that expect to be paid extra for it.
If the holiday falls on a weekend & not a weekday, you are accused of getting an extra day of labour for free.
I am SO glad that I don't employ anybody any more. :D
i'm hearin you cliff.....ditto
Me too
Is it any wonder that we are known as the land of the long weekend
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Originally Posted by Cliff Rogers
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Originally Posted by glen boulton
You guys could always move to somewhere like China ... then you wouldn't have any of those pesky labor problems. :roll::UQuote:
Originally Posted by Chesand
Anzac Day, no matter what day of the week, is a day of remberance NOT an excuse for another day off. It is a day to remember those Australians who died for the freedoms we have and for some member to suggest that we need a day off as well is ungrateful, unfeeling, disgusting and UNAUSTRALIAN!
Silentc, you should be ashamed.
That sentiment is just irrational and absurd.Quote:
All business should close for those days and all other activity stop also
I think this thread is pretty absurd come to think of it.
Being Australian with Turkish heritage (dual citizenship), all I care about is the significance and meaning of Anzac day, that lest we forget.
Those heroes who shed their blood and lost their lives, you are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side in this country of ours. You, the mothers who sent their sons from far away countries wipe away your tears, your sons are now lying in our bosoms and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they become our sons as well.
I also have deep care for observing remembrance day because it is distinct from anzac day. It is not about the national identity and association. It is about the human cost and sacrifice for all victims of war. Not solely those who served, from Australia and or New Zealand.
Remembrance day does not get the appreciation, observance or respect it deserves. In a sense, I am dissapointed that we don't commemorate and remember the non-service victims of war to the same extent as servicemen and women in our country. I will never choose to favour one over the other, neither consciously nor subconsiously.I don't believe in it either.
Now if you want to get on the blower about "un-Australian" nonsense....I will tell you what is very Australian..... :roll: ....it's very Australian to put more significance into anzac day than remembrance day :no:
Little bit harsh in your comments there christopha, if fact, a lot harsh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopha
Pot? Kettle? Black? :rolleyes:
Christopha harsh, not at all, straight forward and to the point