guess the tool!

Funny what you dig up looking for something else:rolleyes:
Sorry to say I actually don't know the original purpose of this tool so if no-one else knows don't expect an answer from me.:p:wink:.
This tools was at home for as long as I can remember. May have come from my stepfathers side who was a dairy farmer and general carrier or from my dad's side who was a fettler on the railways, or none of those.:rolleyes:
All I'll say is it's obvious the hook goes on the end of a pole...

have a go...
Cheers
Michael

dunno what they are called but it looks very much like a tool used for lifting eh rail lines wile replacing the sleepers. A wooden handle would be placed threw the holes long enough so that there is no bending of the back.

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dunno what they are called but it looks very much like a tool used for lifting eh rail lines wile replacing the sleepers. A wooden handle would be placed threw the holes long enough so that there is no bending of the back.

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:hmm: too flimsy for that I reckon.:no: A little rudder?:rolleyes:

size might not be clear from the photos, but it's too flimsy for anything too heavy...
the pole comes in from below the hook, not above, note the flange on the eye.
:wink:

Cheers
Michael

my father just saw the pic and reckons they had one similar that was sharpened and would whack it into the ends of sleepers to lift them these were more pointy but it could have been worn down?

how big is it?

it dosent look to flimsy to me

those dog holes are 19mm. Hasn't been worn down. too flimsy to lift rails. the pole comes through the small eye first so it is not used for leverage.

Cheers
Michael

I am taking a stab in the dark here but would it be used by a train station master and he would have a message bag hanging from the hook and when a train went passed the engineer or train driver would be able grab it from the hook. (I hope i explained it clearly enough)

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I am taking a stab in the dark here but would it be used by a train station master and he would have a message bag hanging from the hook and when a train went passed the engineer or train driver would be able grab it from the hook. (I hope i explained it clearly enough)

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Sounds plausible. OH&S might have trouble with it these days.:doh:

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Originally Posted by WoodJunky

I am taking a stab in the dark here but would it be used by a train station master and he would have a message bag hanging from the hook and when a train went passed the engineer or train driver would be able grab it from the hook. (I hope i explained it clearly enough)

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Yes, very plausible. I just remember the days of the stationmaster passing keys with hoops of cane to the driver.

Cheers
Michael

It's a single fledged noodle wobbler.

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It's a single fledged noodle wobbler.

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Maybe!:)

Time for another photo to clarify things a bit. All the steel is <= 4mm gauge.

Cheers
Michael

Obviously a "holder-upper" of some sort. :D

i know what it is ,it somthing to put somthing on so it wont get lost.lloyd.:B:B:D:D:D:D

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Originally Posted by tea lady

Obviously a "holder-upper" of some sort. :D

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I had thought of using to lift a bucket of tools onto the roof. Yep, I agree with you TL, a holder-upper, or a lifter-upper, but the original purpose eludes me.
I had also thought of use in the corner store where things might have been kept on hooks up out of the way. 1001 uses, a really general purpose tool.

Cheers
Michael

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Funny what you dig up looking for something else:rolleyes:
Sorry to say I actually don't know the original purpose of this tool so if no-one else knows don't expect an answer from me.:p:wink:.
This tools was at home for as long as I can remember. May have come from my stepfathers side who was a dairy farmer and general carrier or from my dad's side who was a fettler on the railways, or none of those.:rolleyes:
All I'll say is it's obvious the hook goes on the end of a pole...

have a go...
Cheers
Michael

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My guess is that it would have been used to hoist mail bags up on a pole for collection by a passing train. It looks too fragile to lift heavy stuff, and the fact that it has no point and is gently curved makes me think that it would have been gentle on a leather-handled mailbag. Then again, it could be something that the grim reaper left behind....:q

Can't help thinking that they wouldn't design that half-circle into the socket without a reason. If the pole/handle had a simple hook in the centre, it could be inserted into the soket, and turned half a turn, locking it in and allowing it to pull the hook back. It could also be simply released, all at arm's length. None of that suggests an actual use, however, except that it's function may have been to sit somewhere, perhaps separating something, until it was moved. Would therefor not show any wear, or need a sharp edge.:?

I found this really interesting so
I asked on another forum with results such as a==

cucumber peeler

thing for hanging up pot plants

Lopping tree branches ? (By hook or by crook).


Or sharpen the outside edge ...

A whale blubber knife ?

It's a tool for dressing cauliflower and cabbages, downward pressure...

Looks like something to hang up a flag or a torch from a wall or a bridge?

I have emailed a guy who sells old tools but as yet have had no reply.

This next one does sound very plausible IE in lifting the hose to the filler point.
What do you reckon. Fred

Not a knife for cutting or lopping, i'm going to guess it's something to do with assisting the filling hose for steam trains.

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Can't help thinking that they wouldn't design that half-circle into the socket without a reason. If the pole/handle had a simple hook in the centre, it could be inserted into the soket, and turned half a turn, locking it in and allowing it to pull the hook back. It could also be simply released, all at arm's length. None of that suggests an actual use, however, except that it's function may have been to sit somewhere, perhaps separating something, until it was moved. Would therefor not show any wear, or need a sharp edge.:?

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You may well be right with this, i asked this guy http://www.timelesstools.co.uk/billhooks3.htm

and this was his reply
Fred,

Sorry you have me stumped, never seen anything like it, I have looked through my catalogue, no reference to anything similar.
The top looks like it would slot over, so the pole you have it sitting on would continue up through the cut away cap – otherwise why not make it solid.
The other place you could try is Taths.

The plot thickens as they say, i have emailed taths and will post there answer as soon as they reply.

Cheers Fred

Thanks Fred for continuing the research on this and please thank Mr Bill Hooks when you next talk to him. I'm glad the mystery is keeping a few people entertained:). Look forward to hearing what he has to say.

And by the sound of it I have to take back my initial rash statement that it's obvious it goes on the end of a pole.:B

Perhaps there may have been many slots on the pole so it could be locked at different heights. Maybe it was an adjustable hook in the station masters office for hanging naughty boys up, choose the height to match the boy?:wink:


Cheers
Michael

Easy peasy!! It's "One of them"!!:):)

I dunno 'bout you blokes, but if I was waving that thing around on the end of a long pole all day, or if I only used it a couple of times per day but had to be accurate about where I pointed it, I'd want the business end to be as lightweight as possible while not compromising strength.

And that looks very much to me like an attempt in that direction; the lower ring instead of a continuous tube, the cut-out in the upper cap...

(Mind you, I've been toying with the idea of making a similarly shaped fishing rod holder to sit over the gunnels of a mates' ol' clinker... :rolleyes:)

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(Mind you, I've been toying with the idea of making a similarly shaped fishing rod holder to sit over the gunnels of a mates' ol' clinker... :rolleyes:)

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Sell it to ya!:wink::D

Cheers
Michael

Reply from another forum.
Fred if you can wait untill tomorow I will show the picture to my mate he was a Train driver in Melbourne and one of the last to be trained on steam Locos I will ask him.

Update.
My mate recons it could be the end of a switch stick used for reaching under an old style electric loco and reseting a blown main motor breaker. It isnt exactly like what he has used before himself as there are state differances in train type.


Still not conclusive. Bu@@a:no:

so now heres hoping Taths can come up with the answer.

If not there are other forums. mmmmmmm

Cheers Fred

:yourock2:

I forgot to mention it has the numbers 5219 on it. Not stamped... the other way, almost 1mm proud of the surface and 6-7mm high.
I wonder if I should give it a clean in the bath to see if there are any other marks??

CheersMichael

These replies from another forum in UK.

It's a primitive device used in ancient aboriginal rituals, the blade is not a blade at all but is held between the buttocks and the "handle" should look much more phallic.

Some of these replies are far to sensible, it's obvious really, it's a zoo keepers tool for feeding bunches of bananas to primates in trees; or an over elaborate clothes line prop.

Looks like a dip stick to me (i.e. sheep dipping stick).

could be a tree de-barker?? for hop poles?

The mind boggles


Cheers Fred

Could it be that the "thing" is not a tool, but a piece of harness or some such??
I have explored my blacksmithing texts with no results, and just throw this idea into the mix as I reckon if the accumulated knowledge of this forum can't come up with a definitive answer, IT AIN'T A TOOL!!!!!:no::no:

Might be time for the 'Collectors'

About cleaning. Should I give it a run in the electrolysis bath to see if there are other marks on it?

Other thoughts
A boat hook
My stepfather was also in the airforce during the war and could have been any number of bits or pieces that went with that?

Cheers
Michael

It looks like the thing a tram driver used to use at the end of th.e line for swinging the arm on top of the tram to face the other way. Or would that electrocute him?

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Could it be that the "thing" is not a tool, but a piece of harness or some such??
I have explored my blacksmithing texts with no results, and just throw this idea into the mix as I reckon if the accumulated knowledge of this forum can't come up with a definitive answer, IT AIN'T A TOOL!!!!!:no::no:

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i was thinking that also maby it isnt a tool but part of a tool.

by the shape of teh end it looks as thow it goes over sompthing tehn abolt is put in teh end to hold it in place.

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Sorry, I'm in Derby, but I did work for the railway for 26 years - in their
laboratories, not on the track.
The picture looks more like a bracket than a tool which was waved around on
the end of a long? handle or pole. Water tanks for loco's usually had a
swinging arm consisting of a 4-6 inch pipe with a length of canvas hose on
the end. It was supported by a chain from the top of the tower and swung out
using another chain which dropped down to near the ground where it could be
reached by the train crew. I can just about envisage the unknown item being
a resting place to keep the pipe in place when retracted out of use but not
as a hook to manouver the pipe around. British Rail stopped using steam in
the1960s but I have seen these towers in use at preservation railways, and
in my childhood.


Waiting for a response from the museum now.

Cheers Fred

could be a simple lever from a device to transfer flow of liquids - say irrigation - a wooden shaft is rebated to match the open end of the steel top then a "paddle" fitted to the bottom of a wooden shaft which swings between two or more water channels to direct water flow. :? Prolly drive a tractor or horse in an irrigated field and tap the lever with stick or a foot..
hmmm. might patent that idea???:doh:

Now that you've said that, the last place i was at there was a similar gadget ( but plastic ) in the septic system.

The pipe coming from the tank to the soakage pit split into two pipes with the gadget at the junction of the split, as this was 4 or 5 feet down there was a shaft coming to the surface inside a piece of stormwater pipe to operate the thing.

Cheers Fred