30kg to much!!!!!

Hi all

I had to fill part of a bathroom floor that had been recessed 50-60mm.

So off to the hardware for some premixed cement. Well, no bags under 30kg, I needed 4.

Ok, brought the bags, a lad put them into the car, I slide them from the back of the jeep onto a fridge trolly - fine.

Oh Oh, I had to lift them one at a time into the wheel barrow to mix.

It was a bit like watching a weight lifter at the olympics (including grunts), I got them in, mixed, poured and troweled off, excellant job even if I do say so my self (1st time)

2 days later and I am flat on my back, messed by back up big time.:doh:
Chiro, massage, spa, heat, ice & drugs.:oo: :C

Why do they make such heavy bags, I know I am female and all that, but what about those little of skinny apprentices and the old timers, isn't 30kg just as heavy and dangerous to lift for them.

Next time, I will have the guys at the hardware split the bag in half and I will get a couple of those big white containers (like the flour comes in) and they can pop 1/2 in each container.:2tsup: so I am only lifting 15kg.

Celeste

Most of the bagged stuff comes in 20 kg bag now a days even the cement.
Imagine, not too long ago the cement came in those awful 40kg bags :o.

Thank god for progress. :2tsup:

Keep taking the drugs, and go and see an Osteopath, from one who knows.

Al :-

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Originally Posted by ozwinner

............Imagine, not too long ago the cement came in those awful 40kg bags :o..............

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Still does up here, I keep reading about 20kg bags but I've ever seen one.:rolleyes: My bricky mate used to carry 1 x 40kg on each shoulder (he's a big bloke) when in a hurry, probably part of the reason he's had to have surgery to both shoulders.:(

Mick

see a physio...


cheers
pulse

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Originally Posted by Pulse

see a physio...


cheers
pulse

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Pain killers, a couple of glasses of rose and thia food seems to be doing the trick at the mo.:2tsup:

Celeste

I hope this will be a one-off situation for you Celeste!!:C Back problems are no fun.

GOod idea re the containers for the split cement bags.:)

cheers
Wendy

My sympathies! It's no fun, is it? :(

'Tis a bit late to say it, but the damage was probably done when you lifted off the ground and into the barrow for mixing... there's a reason why brickies labourers leave the bag on the ground and shovel it into the mixer (until the bag's almost empty) and it's not just laziness. Although that's a factor, too. :rolleyes:

I'll bet you're relieved you did a good job first time around and won't have to re-do it!

We can get 20 and 40kg bags but I notice that there isn't much difference in the price:(( , this generally means I get to move them but 40kg is a bugger to get up to the mixer.
I have resorted to slashing them open on the tailgate of the wagon and pouring lesser amounts into a bucket and doing a couple of trips, much easier on the back but I don't get to sample your excellent back pain remedy:wink:

Hi All

It's not a one off, I have had back problems for nearly 20 yrs now.
I have tried just about everything, some fixed it a little, some did zip. I started pilates just B4 Xmas, best thing I ever did. I think my back has been so good lately, that I pushed it to far.

My Chiro suggested maybe doing a mans job (reno's) is probably the problem - except last week, I helped hubby out at his office and my back was killing me at the end of the day, from sitting infront of the computer, it was much worse than painting all day.!! So, I guess "ladies" work is not that easy either.

Anyway, the chiro did good, it feels 90% better today, hubby helped heeps yesturday so I could rest it and his has taken the 5yr for a drive so I can rest today. He's a good boy:2tsup:

I am back tiling tomorrow (not to hard on the back) and I have booked the chiro and a massage for tuesday morning.:U

celeste

I did Chiro for over 10 years and then found Ostio and the difference is unbelievable, I wouldnt visit a Chiro again if you paid me. :U

Al :2tsup:

Isn't Ostio that rubbish brand at Bunnies:p

I don't think there are any 40 kg bags at our bunnings any more.

Down here in Vic Bunnings concrete & cement of various flavours is in 20kg bags :2tsup:

Celeste. I have had a bad back for over 30 yrs and 3yrs ago the only chiro who did me any good retired. Then my neighbour, a retired GP, suggested I use a rolled up towel shoved behind my back when driving the car. It worked. For the first time in 3yrs my back hasn't felt like popping out while doing manual labour.
It hurts like hell for the first week though.

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Originally Posted by rat52

Celeste. I have had a bad back for over 30 yrs and 3yrs ago the only chiro who did me any good retired. Then my neighbour, a retired GP, suggested I use a rolled up towel shoved behind my back when driving the car. It worked. For the first time in 3yrs my back hasn't felt like popping out while doing manual labour.
It hurts like hell for the first week though.

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Hi rat52

Pilates uses a roll of hard foam about 3 feet long, to release tension in muscles, similiar to using the towel, except you use it on thighs, calfs, shoulders, neck, feet every where. I have used the towel, massage machines, the back of the couch you name it.

The pilates roll is really great, it hurts like hell, the instructor keeps telling me it Will stop hurting, I can't wait.:2tsup:

When I went to the Chiro saturday I realised I haven't been for 2 months, I used to go every 2-3 weeks, Thanks to pilates.:2tsup:

I seem to be fine today, I usually suffer with this for at least a week, I think pilates has also helped with my recovery. I could hardly walk friday after work.

celeste

My deepest sympathies for your poor back. I thought this tale may cheer you up. Whilst working as a landscaper in the north of England I agreed to deliver some railway sleepers to a clients house "supply only" . Now these are not yer piddlin' little sleepers as you tend to see over here in oz. These are 9 feet long (excuse the imperial measurements!) 10 inches wide and about 5 inches deep, hardwood and impregnated with tar... and they're bloody heavy. Anyway I turn up at the address, just manage to sling one on my shoulder and knock on the door.The lady tells me its "just round the side" so I go to the side of the house to be confronted with about 12 steps UPWARDS! Anyway after huffin and puffin up the steps she meets me at the top and instructs me to "go through the living room and out the other side". So whilst kicking off my boots, balancing this beast on my shoulder and trying not take out the patio doors I shuffle my way through the living room and out onto the verandah. But my journey was not yet over, oh no. "Just put them down there in the garden" she says. I look down into the garden and to my horror see that the only way down is a spiral staircase! And I still had another three to go!!! After the last one was in she thanked me and calmly informed me that as soon as her brother turned up with his chainsaw to CHOP THEM IN HALF she would put them in place:o .
I managed not to punch her lights out, smiled sweetly, took my $20 and chalked one up to experience.

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Originally Posted by adam01

My deepest sympathies for your poor back. I thought this tale may cheer you up. Whilst working as a landscaper in the north of England I agreed to deliver some railway sleepers to a clients house "supply only" . Now these are not yer piddlin' little sleepers as you tend to see over here in oz. These are 9 feet long (excuse the imperial measurements!) 10 inches wide and about 5 inches deep, hardwood and impregnated with tar... and they're bloody heavy. Anyway I turn up at the address, just manage to sling one on my shoulder and knock on the door.The lady tells me its "just round the side" so I go to the side of the house to be confronted with about 12 steps UPWARDS! Anyway after huffin and puffin up the steps she meets me at the top and instructs me to "go through the living room and out the other side". So whilst kicking off my boots, balancing this beast on my shoulder and trying not take out the patio doors I shuffle my way through the living room and out onto the verandah. But my journey was not yet over, oh no. "Just put them down there in the garden" she says. I look down into the garden and to my horror see that the only way down is a spiral staircase! And I still had another three to go!!! After the last one was in she thanked me and calmly informed me that as soon as her brother turned up with his chainsaw to CHOP THEM IN HALF she would put them in place:o .
I managed not to punch her lights out, smiled sweetly, took my $20 and chalked one up to experience.

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What a load of bollocks, ya wouldnt be putting an Oz sleeper on ya shoulders trust me( yer piddlin' little sleepers as you tend to see over here in oz).

The sleepers Ive had took two men just to lift them never mind heave them onto your shoulder.

As they say, dont let the truth get in the way of a good story.

Al :p

lol Ozwinner - too right,. a full hw sleeper would easily top 120kg - built some of those sleeper steps in the past, and the best you can do is lift one end up and put on a trolly, and struggle off!

Bl;oody 20kg bags get me every time, i just cant mentally adjust to doubling the quantities and always end up short., Nowhere sells 40kg bags anymore either - I fondly remember labouring and carrying a full pallet load up a 30m 1 in 4 slope into a building site - young lady across the road, and I carried one each shoulder up - but only for the first 2 trips - nearly needed medical help after the first 2 LOL!

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Originally Posted by pharmaboy2

lol Ozwinner - too right,. a full hw sleeper would easily top 120kg - built some of those sleeper steps in the past, and the best you can do is lift one end up and put on a trolly, and struggle off!

Bl;oody 20kg bags get me every time, i just cant mentally adjust to doubling the quantities and always end up short., Nowhere sells 40kg bags anymore either - I fondly remember labouring and carrying a full pallet load up a 30m 1 in 4 slope into a building site - young lady across the road, and I carried one each shoulder up - but only for the first 2 trips - nearly needed medical help after the first 2 LOL!

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I remember working on the Pyramids, I used to carry them huge limestone blocks 2 at a time up them ramps, phew...thank god for them caring Pharaohs...

Al :2tsup:

Hi all

Good stories :D Any way, I still cannot find 20kg bags when I want them, only 30kg. Needed mortar for my limestone walls, you guessed 30kg bags, well I got some one to load them in to the Jeep, when I got to the Reno I slid it in to the wheel barrow then tipped it on the cement, cut it open and shovelled it in to the wheel barrow. Much easier :2tsup:

My back is good now - love pilates, I am off to a class in 10min. Best thing after painting ceilings :oo:

Celeste

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Originally Posted by Iain

We can get 20 and 40kg bags but I notice that there isn't much difference in the price:(( , this generally means I get to move them but 40kg is a bugger to get up to the mixer.
I have resorted to slashing them open on the tailgate of the wagon and pouring lesser amounts into a bucket and doing a couple of trips, much easier on the back but I don't get to sample your excellent back pain remedy:wink:

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The beaty about 20kg bags apart from the weight is that a full bag can be used to mix in a big 3.5 mixer and an even half makes a good size mix in a 2.2.

I always use a half bag in my 2.2, real easy, spilt it across the side of the bag with the seam, lift it through the middle, run your hand or a trowel through the other side of the bag from underneath once the two halves are sitting side by side and hey presto, two half bags that can be easily lifted up to mixer height and emptied. This way you don't get the flap on the bag catching half the cement and spreading it everywhere like you do if you open the top of a bag and try and just tip half in. Also with a split half bag you can walk past the mixer and tip it in as you pass, giving it a quick shake at arms length, by the time the mixer starts to dust out of the bowl you are on your way to the rubbish pile with the bag instead of standing in front of it, still trying to let only half the cement come out of the bag and breathing in silicates while you are doing so.

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Originally Posted by celeste

Hi all

Good stories :D Any way, I still cannot find 20kg bags when I want them, only 30kg. Needed mortar for my limestone walls, you guessed 30kg bags, well I got some one to load them in to the Jeep, when I got to the Reno I slid it in to the wheel barrow then tipped it on the cement, cut it open and shovelled it in to the wheel barrow. Much easier :2tsup:

My back is good now - love pilates, I am off to a class in 10min. Best thing after painting ceilings :oo:

Celeste

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Celeste, for limestone work buy brickies light (Bunnings sell it), these only weigh 17.5 kg as it is cream cement premixed with lime, it also gives better adheasion. You are having to get 30 kg bags because you buy premixed - this is the expensive and heavy option. If you don't have a trailer, get one of those big plastic tubs, stick it in the jeep with your shovel and fill it up with brickies yellow from a landscape yard. It will cost you about $5, heaps cheaper and in my opinion a much better option than premix.