Can we beat Brazil? :)
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Can we beat Brazil? :)
Of course the Socceroos can.:D
Will they? A different question entirely.
My vote? Unlikely - but then so are all sorts of things that actually happen.
And the fact that it's unlikely shouldn't mean that you don't wish for it to happen.
Only if the weather turns bad. If it's a scorcher, the heat will work against us. And if the Aussies learn to use the bloody flank a bit more! Damn! They went straight up the guts 9 times out of ten!
At the end of the day, I'm affraid Brazil are simply out of the Socceroos league...:(
Damien
It'll scare the crap out of everyone if we manage to hold them to a draw...
Aussie Aussie Aussie OY OY OY!
The great thing about sport is that who ever is the BEST on THE DAY will win. Place ya BEts were all gonna be RICH!
REgards Lou:p:D:D
Of course we can
Just got to play them at their own game and stick with them
Go the Socceroos
No chance. How can we be a force in that game when the majority of our elite athletes play the more exciting and skillful game of real footy that is Aussie Rules. If we were born into soccer and didnt play Aussie Rules we would already of won a world cup or two:D Carn the Tiges:D
I agree, and thought about this every time Wanganeen used to soccer those goals from impossible angles using the oval ball. Imagine if a guy like him was born into soccer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lignum
I didn't know Brazil had a cricket team.
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I said yes.
Australia can win but probably won't. Australia has beaten an almost full strength Brazil in a friendly before and Brazil tend to be slow starters, so you never know.
Most likely scenario, we'll be playing off with the Croats for a spot in the round of 16.
Dan
Look at Dustin Fletcher and Andrew Kellaway, both identified by the Irish media as two athletes who would walk in to any first division soccer teams as goalies. And its not only Aussie Rules, but also League and Union. . All the soccer nations have it as their primary game. How would Nathan Brown or Criss Judd go:eek: And the indigenous boys, how would they go? they would be absolute stars. Bob as your from the West youve no doubt seen them in junior games and its basicly keepings off will stunning natural evasion. To much talent in this country not playing soccer for us to be realy any good unfourtunatly.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobL
When Packer started world series cricket our cricketers were paid a pittance as were those from the porrer countries.
Because he was able to sink millions of dollars and bulldoze advertisers to sponsor the 'pyjama' game its popularity never faltered. Today our top cricketers are amongst the highest paid (if not the highest) in the world.
My point is that soccer in this country has it all ars about. Instead of trying to grow the game by flogging the Socceroos as a reason for our kids to take the game up in ther same numbers as do in AFL and NRL or cricket they need to pump millions into the game get the big corporates on board (not just for the period of the World Cup finals) build a decent national roster and ensure that young people beginning in the game get the experience of playing and training with our best
Get Vidulka, and Kewell and all the other great Aussie players to play here in the off European off season during the formative years of our youngsters. Then when they retire pay them a decent salary to coach or train here.
Cheers :)
That's the problem. Soccer is SO much bigger than cricket outside Australia. Packer could easily make Australian cricket attractive but no way could one man, no matter how rich, possibly hope to compete with the sort of money that is chucked about on football overseas. You are never going to be able to convince anyone with any talent to stay in Australia when they can make so much in Europe or the UK. Or anywhere else, except South America perhaps. There's plenty of money chucked about in the league and AFL but where else are those guys going to go? Some of the league guys go over to the UK but that's about it. All that will happen is that Australia will become an even bigger training ground for Europe and UK teams.
Unless my information is wrong, the Salary Cap for A-League soccer in Aus is $1.6m per TEAM.
The AVERAGE salary of a Premiership league PLAYER in the UK is about $1.6million before allowances which add up to 100% on top of that.
Wouldn't it just be simpler for Australia to try to run a first division team in the UK, a bit like NZ does in Rugby League here?Quote:
£676,000: The average salary of a Premiership footballer in 2006
The Independent's exclusive survey reveals the facts and figures of footballers' finances
By Nick Harris
Published: 11 April 2006
The average basic salary of a footballer in the English Premiership is £676,000 a year, or £13,000 per week, according to an exclusive survey of professional players by The Independent. That figure typically rises by between 60 and 100 per cent when performance-related bonuses, including for actually playing, are added.
The basic pay represents an average rise in earnings of 65 per cent since 2000, the last occasion that a large-scale study was done. The average then was £409,000 a year, or almost £8,000 a week.
Cheers,
P
:D
Yep. There's that. Good idea. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by bitingmidge
Football already has more participants than any other code.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shedhand
Our problem is as Midge indicated. To sit on the bench in Europe is more attractive than playing here. If everyone in the world played AFL or NRL, then our best AFL and NRL players would be playing where the big bucks are on offer. And that's not here.
What we can hope for is to build a league that can keep a hold of our second tier players until a big euro club wants them.
Thats true. And its funny that some people reckon soccer has a higher participation rate. It does if you include primary school kids. But Football will always be Australias number one sport and soccer will only just have the anual four year burstQuote:
Originally Posted by boban
If you want to pretend that you dont primarily use your hands in AFL, that's fine. If you want to believe that you have higher participation rates, that's fine. We can all stick our head in the sand and pretend that the rest of the world doesn't play football and that AFL is the most popular game in the world.
Read this excerpt from your own (AFL) administration and have a think about it. The full story is at http://www.iafc.com.au/soccer.html
I dont knock AFL or NRL, but rather I enjoy watching them and participated in NRL for my school. Conversely, most of their strong supporters seem to unmercilessly knock the real football code at every opportunity. All seems a bit like small man syndrome to me.Quote:
The biggest threat of all to Australian football and the AFL is soccer. At the junior level Australian soccer has been the envy of the other football codes, with over 300,000 kids playing the world game. By contrast Australian football and rugby league manage to attract approximately 170,000 and 95,000 respectively.
Due to a number of factors Australian soccer has been unable to take advantage of these vastly superior numbers, much to the relief of the other codes. These factors include the incompetence of Soccer Australia and the failure of the Socceroos to qualify for the greatest prize of them all, the FIFA World Cup.
That is why we should all be alarmed at recent events. The decision of FIFA to award Oceania direct qualification to the World Cup is an absolute disaster for our game. The failure of the Socceroos against Iran in 1998 and Uruguay in 2002, were greeted with a sigh of relief by the AFL, but this will no longer be the case.
The potential of soccer to adversely impact on our game should not be underestimated or lightly dismissed. The most watched game in Australia in 2002 was not the AFL Grand Final but the World Cup final between Brazil and Germany. Matches involving the Socceroos in Australia have drawn massive crowds, with an atmosphere rarely experienced at AFL matches.
But it is at the grassroots level where the impact of the rise of soccer will be felt the most. If the Socceroos qualify for the 2006 World Cup (and based on past results it is fair bet that they will) then our sport will suffer greatly. How many of us grew up dreaming of playing for our beloved VFL club and kicking the winning goal in the grand final?
Instead, a whole generation of Australian children will dream of wearing the green and gold of the Socceroos and of scoring the winning goal in the World Cup.
So where does Footbag fit in?Quote:
Originally Posted by boban
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I think if you read what i said, i never sad that, so quote me properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by boban
I actually was under the impression fishing was the number one participation sport followed by netball then soccer
Small man syndrome:D What i said was "But Football will always be Australias number one sport and soccer will only just have the anual four year burst" It dosnt matter how much you love soccer or how many play it around the world,it will never be number one in this country.Quote:
Originally Posted by boban
Wow! That excerpt is an honest, well-written piece of research. I played AR for Assumption and RU for Nudgee and found both games interesting - wasn't very good unfortunately.
What most Aussies don't understand is that football in Europe and from the Mexican border down to the Antarctic, is not a game - it's a religion! The best players are honoured like gods - and paid twice as much. The advertising - be it Coke, Addidas, or Mercedes, streches into the 9 digit range.
Now don't get me wrong, I love watching a game of Aussi Rules or Union, but it's small fries. The stadiums here seat up to 60,000 people, and they're all over the place...
And when mum's little precious takes to the field, you can bet that 9 out of ten are happy the opposition is more interested in kicking the ball than pole-driving Thommy's head into the ground...
If Australia does well in the World Cup, even the little ruffians will show interest in the game. Might be time to get into the sports field modification business...
Damien
:mad: You have TOTALY mislead us. The article WAS NOT written by AFL Administration, but written by Brian Clarke from a soccer web site and he was giving HIS interpretation of AFL participation rates based around the exclusion of Aus Kick:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by boban
I know you didn't say that, but your being a little selective there. That last comment was not a direct response but a flipant comment in conclusion. You did however insinuate that soccer is not football and has lower participation rates that Australian Rules football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lignum
And then there's the Asian Cup, Confederations Cup, Olympics and World Cup qualifiers through Asia (within which we are finally a member). AFL will always be popular, but Football will become more so now that the wogs no longer control the national league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lignum
BTW AFL is big in three states only. It will never be the number one sport in NSW and Qld.
Oh really,Quote:
Originally Posted by Lignum
The role of the International Australian Football Council (IAFC) is to promote and develop Australian Rules football internationally.
That's where that article comes from.
I love it when the football crowd turns violent!
:D :D :D
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You aint seen nothin yet. Hold on, I'm going to get my flares :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bitingmidge
What!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by boban
We're having 70's flashbacks now???
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Funny you say that, it looks to me like the 70's fashions are back again. Did anyone see Nerds FC tonight.
Time to raid the old man's wardrobe. NOT.
OK you bunch of recidivists...who put the sex option in MY poll....:mad:
I reckon Australia has the ability to win against Brazil, but I'd much prefer , in this round, a 1-1 draw. That would almost certainly have the team go to the next round (by finishing 2nd in the Group).:cool:
Who know what they might then encounter - beating Brazil this time would have EVERY potential game played in a brutal manner to (ahem, ligitimately) "damage" the team.
Us beating Brazil would be the worst thing for whoever winds up against them in the final - methinks da Brazilians would be a tad annoyed by being beaten by a team, to quote the seppos, that is 'only there to make up the numbers'. Ah well, I didn't notice said seppos having a successful start :D (ahh, poetic justice). Japan are the Asian champions - our giving them a hiding will open a few eyes.
Now, imagine this.
The socceroos, on a high after taking out the Japs, go on to beat Brazil.
Japan, rather irritated by being beaten by the socceroos, beat Brazil.
Croatia manage a draw against Brazil.
all of a sudden, Brazil's out of the first round ... and it's all our fault :D
Richard
hey, I've got all this week to dream, don't spoil it for me;)
Sure can but unlikely, still we will see!
Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daddles
Nearly happened in Japan/Korea.
No one in the world could be accused of being quite so arrogant and complacent as the Brazilians.
Dan
Mate you have done it again and I salute you as the best fisherman on the forumQuote:
Originally Posted by Lignum
A little aside did you count netball or basketball when you Quoted Australias number one sport
How did you arrive that Kick and Giggle was Australias No1 sport , by the number of regestered players, the No of spectators or because you had played
Mate Aussi Rules aint No 1 and never will be , there is a whole world out there
& we will beat Brazil 2 x 1 or they will do us 2 x 1 whatever
HS
Well 21% of us got it right:o I had to wait till this morning to find out the scores as i did againsed my better judgment wait up till 2am to watch, but fell asleep after the first 10 or 15 minutes. Fair dinkum its a boring game. The most excitement is with the crowd behavior and the way they chant and carry on. it would be sensational to be their. At least Geoff Ogilvy was a winner for Aus... Good on yu Geoff:D
I'm completely stuffed now, but boy did it get exciting after the first 16 minutes!
Cheers,
P
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Yep have to agree first fifteen were as boreing as bat "kaka".. after that great game.;) :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bitingmidge
BTW have you noticed that those that follow the world game are happy to watch AFL, RUGBy and League, yet the ones that follow those code predominantly seem threatend as soon as the Socceroos are mentioned. Personaly I'm happy for all the codes to exist in this country, though I have to admit not being a great fan of League. That is not to say that I would not watch a good game of said code. This is not a critisism (sp) just an observation.
Himzo.
well, i stayed up and watched every second of the game. I only watch the World Cup every 4 years and the FA Cup final otherwise I give soccer a miss because I don't like the way they writhe around in "agony" whenever they get touched. :mad:
I thought the Socceroos did a good job against Brazil, who are after all, reigning world champs. We've come a long way under Guus Hiddink and he deserves high praise even if we go no further than the game against Croatia.
I reckon we have a real show against them though and I hope they bring Harry Kewell on earlier than they did this morning. :confused: He could have made a difference the way he played IMHO.
CAN WE BEAT CROATIA?? :confused:
YES WE CAN. :)
Well said, Couldn't agree more.Quote:
I thought the Socceroos did a good job against Brazil, who are after all, reigning world champs. We've come a long way under Guus Hiddink and he deserves high praise even if we go no further than the game against Croatia.
Unlike you though I'm a complete tragic :o , and love watching the game on all levels. It's going to be hard when Fox takes over the rights in this country, no free to air games:mad:
Not so. That is a popular theory by the devotees of the world game. Its not that we feel threatend, far from it. Its just we cant understand the fuss. Soccer is increadably skillful, but then again so is lawn bowls and i also find that dull.Quote:
Originally Posted by himzol
When you are born into Leauge, Union or Rules you follow collision codes that are hard, tough, fast. Its gladiatorial, physicaly pitting man againsed man in a team enviorment.
Watch the Bledisloe Cup, Legue State of Origin or the traditional rival games of Aussie Rules and you will see Football played at its vicious and skillful best. When we then watch Soccer we do appreciate the skill involved and know its the most popular sport in the world, but the lack of physical action is the complete oppisite of the other three codes and is a huge let down. That is why i find it very hard to watch as i get bored very, very quick. Its not that i feel threatend at all, i just dont see what the fuss is all about. Give me Rules, Union or Leauge any day;)
Lignum, that is easily the biggest load of self delusional rubbish you've ever posted. Talk about proving the original theory correct :rolleyes:
Richard