More Sorry Suggestions

Hi

Just got off the phone with Kev, thats Mr Rudd to you lot, and he just wanted to check if there was anything else that was done before I was born that we should apologise for, seeing as he's in the mood for it.

So he's agreed to add in an apology for the following;

1. On behalf of the Army to my Grandad who was a deaf mute and the army didnt believe him and made him undergo invasive tests during WW2.

2. On behalf of Births Deaths and Marriages for spelling my fathers middle name incorrectly on his certificate

3. On behalf of the French Govt for killing my Great Great Great Great Grandfather for being a Hugenot, stealing his land and exiling his family to the Channel Islands with nothing but the clothes they were wearing.

4. On behalf of my Grandmother for taking my mother and uncle off her and placing them in foster care (Just because she was a drunken scrag is no excuse)

So thats my short list but he is very excited to be apologising for others so feel free to give him a ring and he can add yours to the list. Just remember it needs to be before you were born and outside your control.

cheers

dazzler

Well I'd like to him to apologise for Dazzler.:p

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Originally Posted by Gingermick

Well I'd like to him to apologise for Dazzler.:p

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I agree....but only from them what wasnt here when he was created :wink:

• For all the hard work and injuries my poor grandfather suffered to manually cut down trees to clear his selection, at a time when it was mandatory for clearances to be made to keep the land.

Greg

School in the 60's/70's, Bronwyn Bishop, Menzies.

Sorry for what? I didn't do anything to anybody to be sorry for. The sins of my forefathers are not my sisns. Here in Tassie Micheal Manson wants a Billion $ from us ( the taxpayers) to put in a trust fund. Saying sorry for what is going to be flamin expensive. What about all the other displaced people in the world? Are they going to be compensated by those who took their lands, possesions, children, mothers and fathers, not only took them but murdered them etc. Think about it.
Sure, a wrong was done but it does mean it needs to be $ompensated. What about all those English kiddies that were taken to Oz for their "own protection". Most of them have never or will never see their families again. I get whole heartly sick of the whinging "indigounous" people. Why don't they pull their finger out and join the rest of the civilised world? No money in that I guess.

Dazzler,

Just don't apologise on my part, I didn't do anything, okay?

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Originally Posted by ernknot

Saying sorry for what is going to be flamin expensive. What about all the other displaced people in the world? Are they going to be

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Yeah, look what happened in Canada.

It also happened to "white" people too.

We apologise for giving you doctors and free medical care,which allows you to survive and multiply so that you can demand apologies.
We apologise for helping you to read and teaching you the english langauage and thus we opened up to you the entire European civilisation,thought and enterprise.
We feel that we must apolgise for building hundreds of homes for you ,which you have vandalised and destroyed.
We apologise for giving you law and order which has helped tp prevent you from slaughtering one another and using the unfortunate for food purposes.
We apologise for developing large farms and properties ,which today feed you people, where before, you had the benefits of living off the land and staving during droughts.
We apologise for providing you with warm clothing made of fabrics to replace animal skins you used before.

etc etc etc :((

who is going to apologise for sending my relos all the way from England to Australia against their will,

This thread sucks.
and i'll say no more to all you pathetic sods regarding your trivial little whinges
I am disgusted

Astrid

As far as I can understand the "apology" is not from individuals for wrongs they've not done even if they do benefit from those wrongs.

It's from one society to another.

One society has done well in this country often at the expense and at best ignorance or arrogance and spite of the other. And it's not wealth or health they're on about.
It's about destroying a culture and admitting it was destroyed and realising how serious a thing it was/is.

Imagine if almost all of your heritage was wiped from your society.

Obliterated.

How "displaced" would you feel? What if your only real choice is to adapt to another culture or perish. And even if you adapt they still hate you and never accept you.

Our past societies committed genocide, not us. But it's time to take a stand and admit the actions of the past were wrong even if we as individuals did not commit them.

Sure, if it wasn't the British Empire it would have been the Japanese, or the Americans, or Indonesian, someone, eventually, was going to come along and devastate a culture, take over the land and benefit from it's resources and opportunities.
But it wasn't any of them.
It was us.
It was OUR responsibility and we handled it badly.
Not weas individuals, we as a society.

As far as Kevin Krudd making the GOVERNMENT apologise; well, I happen to disagree. A formal apology from the government is insincere. An apology has to come from people, not politicians claiming to represent us. I know that sounds contradictory, and that, in my opinion, is why this problem will never go away (apology or not) until there is only one society left.

And what a sad day that will be.

I thought the apology was for the stolen generation and had nothing to do with the genocide initiated and perpetrated by the English government. This is half the problem here, many Australians are not sure what the apology is for and are therefore not totally happy with it. The apology debate has also caused many people who have sat in silence for a long time to finally feel that it is OK to speak up about what they perceive to be the additional benefits that many Aboriginal Australians receive that they are not able to receive. I think there is going to be alot of this talk this year to the point that the government may have to create equailty in regard to social security and other benefits.

The West Aust on Saturday had an interesting article about a retired aboriginal welfare officer who was responsible from removing children half caste from their parents as was the policy of he day. He indicates that he feels that there were many who were better off being removed, however does state that there were those who suffered because they were removed from functional families.

Edit - I can't spell apology so had to change it - who is going to apologise for that?

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Originally Posted by astrid

This thread sucks.
and i'll say no more to all you pathetic sods

Astrid

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Why astrid?

Because I find it wrong for the prime minister of my country to apologise on my behalf for something that I had no part in committing.

We had sorry day and all and sundry could sign books and express guilt at what had occurred to Indigenous People. I am pleased that they could do that if they felt it was what they wanted to do. Have another Sorry Day by all means, a Festival for those that survived by all means. Whatever takes ones fancy, but dont apologise on our behalf without asking first, or showing ones guilt.

As a nation we have been bullied into this and it will just further weaken our society that already sees many viewing life as a victim.

And heres the thing Astrid, a friend of my wifes has just returned from a remote community in the NT as part of the intervention. She would be one of the most caring and culturally tolerant people on this planet and her summation after six months trying to help was that the children need to be taken and raised away from these communities so they have some chance in life. Sounds familiar doesnt it. But of course we are now so limp that we would prefer to shut our eyes and pretend that they are all living a happy life and everything is great because we are saying sorry for something that happened before most of us were born.

My mother was taken from her unfit mother as a child, does she deserve an apology as well. If not why not?. If you are responsible for the one then your responsible for the other.

I totally support victims compensation for those who as a result of being removed from unfit parents were abused/neglected or hurt in any way. I also support prosecutions regardless of age of offenders who committed crimes. I support free medical and psychological help for anyone who needs it. This is how we as a society can help people who have been injured by others.

Perhaps you can explain how and why saying sorry will help, without insulting me as in your last post. :)

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Originally Posted by Burnsy

I thought the apology was for the stolen generation and had nothing to do with the genocide initiated and perpetrated by the English government. This is half the problem here, many Australians are not sure what the apology is for and are therefore not totally happy with it. The apology debate has also caused many people who have sat in silence for a long time to finally feel that it is OK to speak up about what they perceive to be the additional benefits that many Aboriginal Australians receive that they are not able to receive. I think there is going to be alot of this talk this year to the point that the government may have to create equailty in regard to social security and other benefits.

The West Aust on Saturday had an interesting article about a retired aboriginal welfare officer who was responsible from removing children half caste from their parents as was the policy of he day. He indicates that he feels that there were many who were better off being removed, however does state that there were those who suffered because they were removed from functional families.

Edit - I can't spell apology so had to change it - who is going to apologise for that?

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The stolen generation thing has morphed into a focal point for the wider problem. IMHO, the stolen generation is not something to apologuise for where children were removed from dangerous situations, but it wasn't always the case either.

It's a hopeless situation, but demeaning or belittling it with "I want an apology because I stubbed my toe" doesn't help.

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Originally Posted by Pheonix

We apologise for giving you doctors and free medical care,which allows you to survive and multiply so that you can demand apologies.
We apologise for helping you to read and teaching you the english langauage and thus we opened up to you the entire European civilisation,thought and enterprise.
We feel that we must apolgise for building hundreds of homes for you ,which you have vandalised and destroyed.
We apologise for giving you law and order which has helped tp prevent you from slaughtering one another and using the unfortunate for food purposes.
We apologise for developing large farms and properties ,which today feed you people, where before, you had the benefits of living off the land and staving during droughts.
We apologise for providing you with warm clothing made of fabrics to replace animal skins you used before.

etc etc etc :((

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I want some too. That sounds bloody fantastic. :rolleyes: