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Ok, lets check the moral ground of the forum :
in the media over the last few days a security guard shot and killed a robber who bashed her with knuckle dusters. how do you guys feel? should she be charged ? is she guilty of murder ? should shhe get a medal ?
for the record : my opinion - she's not guilty of anything except doing her job.
Zed,
Don't come near me.
I ride a Motorcycle,
Walkaround the place assulting people with my Knuckle dusters.
Doesn't everyone? :rolleyes:
C'Mon
Someone might say a good word for him.
Not me.
OK!!
Yes, I do ride a Motorbike.
So that brands me in some Ppls eyes.
Count
I even rode it this morning, at about Zero*C.................Brrrrrr :eek:
From what I read she shot him through the closed window of a car.
She claims that she doesn't remember doing it, which I suppose could be the case if you've just been bashed in the head.
I don't have enough information to make a call and I'm glad I don't have to.
Taking somebody's life is a pretty big deal even if he was scumbag.
my 0.002
My first response was "she did us a favour". But Craig is right, it wasn't exactly self-defence and killing someone isn't to be taken lightly, even if the guy was a scumbag.
I voted 'No' but only because I think that if you give someone a gun to carry as part of their job they shouldn't really be blamed for using it in those circumstances. There should be an inquiry and she should probably be dismissed but she should not go to jail.
Taken on it's bare basics, ie. he thumped her and took the money. Then sure, he had it coming. And it's about time these crooks got what they diserve.
She was just doing her job. As you said, Zed. She was in a no win situation.
I'm sure the guy would think twice about doing it again, if he was alive.
Sad state of affairs though. Stupid sod lost his life over a few grand. :(
Ben.
Ps. If she looses her job or gets much more than a stern talking to, we need to ask why we bother about armed gaurds.
I think she should be prosecuted, but she wont be convicted.
To have a reaction like that is probably understandable, but it still wasnt self defense. The case needs to be prosecuted and taken through the court process to be analysed and argued over - not just dismissed.
You hang out of a train so you can spray it with paint....you deserve to get your head knocked off by a concrete pole.
You take a big knife to the beach and start flashing it around......don't complain if the coppers feel the need to "disarm" you.
You beat the **** out of someone with the element of surprise on your side....get your just rewards when they surprise you back with THEIR element of surprise.
All other things aside she allegedly fired one highly effective shot as I understand. I would have unloaded on the mongrel, well actualy in the heat of everything and with the head injury it would probably have ended something like:
"I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But seeing as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question:
Do I feel lucky?
Well, do ya punk?"
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He started it, she finished it, case closed.
Things have moved on a bit since the days of Dirty Harry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastie
The .44 is now about 4th most powerfull hangun in the world. Sure does have a good kick though! :eek:
Ben. :D
"go ahead, make my day"Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastie
I voted NO, she was only doing her job, the crook knew the risks he had to take to do HIS job, I think this is a case the do-gooder civil libertarians will be have in a field day with!
Kev ;) :rolleyes: :cool:
Zed, this is a tough one mate so I didn’t vote.
My emotion says No not guilty – he was a criminal and she got bashed :(
My heart says Yes guilty – he shouldn’t be killed by robbing $$ :(
Maybe she should speak to Danny Williams.
I am not familiar with the incident so my comment are general.
I voted that she should be proscecuted for the simple reason it is not up to the cops to decide if someone who has taken a life should be taken to court or not.
A person has died and the person responsible is known. The person responsible allegedly intended to at least injure the deceased. It doesn't sound like an accident.
Take it to court and let the reasons for the action be heard and considered. If those reasons are sufficient to hang the person responsible or to give them a medal then so be it but at least the case was perhaps properly addressed.
What has been done is not reversible but hopefully there will be an outcome that will lead to steps taken so the same situation is less likely to happen again. If no such outcomes evolve or are weak in their content then we need to be very concerned and do something about it. Courts are there to help the community - not to make legal people wealthy.
Personally I have no time for thieves and other selfish people and they need to be stopped in their tracks. Giving cops and security guards a licence to terminate the lives of people they consider a waste of space is not a good move.
I also feel sorry for the security guard who has to live with her actions.
- Wood Borer
A good reply Wood Borer, I agree with you.
I'm certainly not defending thieves either, especially not those who rob with violence, but for those who think "he got what he deserved", would you honestly feel the same way had he been your brother or your son ?
I can't see that there are any winners in this sorry story :(
Stupid bugger shouldn't have taken knuckle dusters to a gunfight.
I didn't vote. I wasn't there and refuse to take the word of some edited report that made it to TV or press. None of us have the facts on which to base a decision, anyone who voted is doing so with a dead set Kangaroo Court mentality!
Despite the fact that his family no doubt feel differently, a violent robber has no place in our society, so our quality of life has probably gained a point or two.
On the other hand I can't see how anyone one has the right to take a life (other than in self defence perhaps) and shooting a person, because he has donged you on the head, and taken someone's money doesn't score a point on the scale of cool things to do on a winter's afternoon.
I can see no justification for guards carrying arms. If they do so there is an implication that they must be prepared to use them. Don't get upset because a guard shot someone....get upset because your kids could have been in the crossfire and it was only a bag of money the bad guy was stealing.
Have guns removed from all private security forces.
Peace and Love
P
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