Help-Mouse ate my fujitsu split system head aircon electronics

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Originally Posted by bitingmidge

Hey Learner, you've been moaning and carrying on like a pork chop for two weeks now. But I'm not sure if you are asking for advice or just trying to impress us with how much you know about installing one model of airconditioner.



Sadly, it doesn't look as though you know the right people.

Two weeks ago you were given some advice that you should be covered by insurance. Did you make a claim? Or were you too busy talking to countless air conditioning installers?

Don't tell me you didn't have insurance? Perhaps the well-written insurance manual didn't advise that you need that in case of rodent attack?

How do you know the mouse came from outside? From my experience it's more likely that it was hanging around in the wall cavity, but you never know. If the job was so shoddy, and you knew it was because you've obviously fully supervised the bloke what he was installing it, why didn't you pull him up when he was doing it?

Why did you pay for it?

Hey, you've had a bit of hard luck. How about getting on with life and fixing it and forgetting about it? You could have had it fixed in a day I'm sure.

Cheers,

P

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The system was under warranty. The fujitsu guys came and had a look and found a dead mouse with all mouse droppings and chewed wires in the head unit.

They said it is not covered under warranty because job was not done to manufacturers recommendations.

I spoke to plumbing commission. They only cover plumbing work and not problems with holes in walls etc.

Fujitsu want 400 dollars to replace the circuit board. It is an inverter unit.

Insurance will not cover a failed airconditioning/electrical item

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Originally Posted by Learner

Fujitsu want 400 dollars to replace the circuit board. It is an inverter unit.

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Then I suggest you hand it to them quick smart before they raise prices.

It is probably in your interest to pay the $400, and get the unit fixed properly. Then explore your options of recovering the $400 from the installer, he might pay all or part, if its none there is always small claims/consumer affairs. For $400 I'd get over it and move on, its not enough to warrant loosing hours of your time and further costs to recover. Wage slaves seem to get up in arms over these things, for the self employed you soon learn you are going to come across people who will not or cannot pay, its life, get over it and find something else more positive to occupy your mind.

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Originally Posted by Honorary Bloke

Then I suggest you hand it to them quick smart before they raise prices.

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Oh dear

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Originally Posted by johnc

It is probably in your interest to pay the $400, and get the unit fixed properly. Then explore your options of recovering the $400 from the installer, he might pay all or part, if its none there is always small claims/consumer affairs. For $400 I'd get over it and move on, its not enough to warrant loosing hours of your time and further costs to recover. Wage slaves seem to get up in arms over these things, for the self employed you soon learn you are going to come across people who will not or cannot pay, its life, get over it and find something else more positive to occupy your mind.

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I have to pay to get it fixed. No other option

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Originally Posted by Learner

They do not use any thermal UV tape. Just duct tape

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You fighting this isnt going to help you get your air con working again.

I think maybe stand back and think about it for a second, myself; i have 5 split systems installed in my house with no problems, the guy who installed all 5 over a year period did a fantastic job on all of them, you are telling the world that he is a useless tradie when clearly you do not know him.

I think the thread is getting a bit out of hand, is any of this going to fix your rodent problem? no?

....go buy some mouse traps

I designed my house to work with the climate, so I don't have any airconditioning. I reckon air conditioning is the biggest cop out for not putting the proper effort into designing correctly and insulating properly that we have yet seen.

We don't eat cheese, so no mice either! :wink:

Cheers,

P
:D

This bloke lives in a stump in our driveway, I'll rent him out. :2tsup:

(Stupid picture won't load. :~)

Fixed.... he was TOO big. :rolleyes:

https://www.woodworkforums.com/attach...1&d=1202477597

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Originally Posted by Cliff Rogers

This bloke lives in a stump in our driveway, I'll rent him out. :2tsup:

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But won't he need a bigger hole to fit through............

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Originally Posted by Cliff Rogers

This bloke lives in a stump in our driveway, I'll rent him out. :2tsup:

(Stupid picture won't load. :~)

Fixed.... he was TOO big. :rolleyes:

https://www.woodworkforums.com/attach...1&d=1202477597

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Glad you got him back.:D:D

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Originally Posted by Geoff Dean

Glad you got him back.:D:D

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:doh:

My life experiences plus running part of the finances at work has long ago taught me not to worry too much over amounts like $400.

Get the board replaced and the air-con working. And make damn sure the hole is fixed so it doesn't happen again.

Then, if you have the time and are willing to use it to try and recover the $400, contact the installer and see if they'll pay up. If not then use a legal threat of some type. And finally there's always the small claims.

That said, if paid overtime is available where you work then just earning another $400 would likely be quicker and easier.

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Originally Posted by Smurf

...long ago taught me not to worry too much ......

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Yeap, you'll live longer. :2tsup:

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Originally Posted by AV Elec

Doesn't sound like something I would recommend then...

I wonder what the manufactorer of split systems think? Do companies accept this in their systems, and still honor warrenties?

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Never. Why should a company accept dodgy workmanship?

How many split systems work fine in Shanghai and Dubai? Thousands on skyscraper buildings.

Not that they get them installed by half-starving uneducated slave labourers. Cannot be possible. Impossible!

I am not an aircon tech but I reckon I could install a system better than many installers with licence. Correct installation methods are all in the installation manual.

How many aircon installers even bother to buy and use torque wrenches?

Shame! Shame! Shame!

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Originally Posted by journeyman Mick

Learner,

from what you've posted Fujitsu are not specifying a pump specifically for that model of AC unit but for the type of refrigerant gas Perhaps there's other stuff in there you've not comprehended correctly.

Some more questions:
1. How much effort did you put into resolving the original issue you had? (ie solve the problem rather than playing the blame game)
2.How many A/C installers did you quiz about their work practices? C'mon a guess will do, you must have some idea.
3.How much time did this take you?
4.What reasons did you give for polling all these A/C installers for your in depth questions regarding exclusive pumps for your model of AC?
5.Didn't any of them explain to you that you were mistaken in believing that Fujitsu required a vacuum pump for exclusive use on your particular model AC and no other?
6. How did you know that they weren't using a clean guage manifold and charging hose? Did you ask, or was it observation?
7. Do you know how to tell if these items were clean?
8. How do you know that "Most installers discard this grommet and do not make a proper circular hole of the dimensions specified in the manual. They make a hole of a size they are used to"? Have you asked most installers? have you gone around and measured the size holes they drill? You must have been a very busy boy the last few weeks.
9. How do you know that "most" installers use duct tape rather than the tape provided by Fujitsu"?
10. How do you know what's under the capping of all those AC units? You are right in that they wouldn't have used "putty". Putty is a mixture of whiting and linseed oil used to fit glass in frames in traditional style glazing. It's highly unlikely anyone would use it to stop holes for an AC installation. They'd be more likely to use expanding polyurethane foam, acrylic gapfiller or polyurethane sealant.


Mick

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For your kind information the WORD PUTTY IS USED IN THE FUJITSU INSTALLATION MANUAL

Putty has many compositions/applications

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–noun
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–verb (used with object)

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