Ah, right. I'd forgotten those side operated lifts.
soth
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Ah, right. I'd forgotten those side operated lifts.
soth
Hi daz...Avenis is 1675mm, Forester 1590mm, Suzuki G Vitara 1695mm, Honda CRV 1710mm, Rav 4 1730mm and the Lancer is 1465mm.
The carrier plus chair is apprx 470mm above roof line.
Macca
Macca,do youg get purchasing/alteration asistance? I ask because, if you do, it may open other vehicles to consider.
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Soth, not from the government, but some assistance in conversion from Lotteries Commition, if you qualify. (means tested)
Macca
:oo: :oo: :oo:Quote:
Originally Posted by masoth
Everyone knows that Toyotas don't break! :p Any evidence or real information? That sentence could be lifted straight out of the 'No Idea' mag. I haven't had any 'niggerly' problems in 110,000 k's.
OK. So what is the clearance/height requirement , all up height of garage door?Quote:
Originally Posted by macca2
You're looking for 'best' traction partly because of driviing difficulties, higher than usual seating for ease of entry and wide door space for the same reason. Does your garage pernit the chair to be lowered - is there sufficient space to the side, and is the roof of the garage high enough when the chair and lifting device operates?
If I am being too inquisitive feel free to tell me to B/off.
soth
Tassie, I don't want to name the huge international company but they are replacing all the Klugers Australia wide.
I've been Toyota for 23 years, and am about to buy two more.
soth
Sounds nasty - should I sell mine immediately then?Quote:
Originally Posted by masoth
Obviously not! You are having a good run and are satisfied. I reported something I know to be true - the company in question is, by the way, staying with Toyota because of satisfaction and the 'unbreakability' factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by TassieKiwi
soth
Garage door a lowest point has 1975mm clearance. Say about 1965mm.
Hoist plus chair = 470.
Therefore car can be no more than 1495mm in height.
Will need about 950mm over car to unload chair in garage. Not a problem if I have the ceiling boxed out about 300mm into the ceiling space and about 1000mm x 1000mmm where the hoist will sit when the car is in the garage.
Questions are not a problem, it is way problems are solved.
Thanks for your interest
Macca
Late news, March will bring news of a six cylinder RAV, and vehicles will be available a few months later. Good news for those who have observed the underpowered RAV4 doesn't 'cut the mustard'.
soth
Foresters are 1595 in height tho otherwise would be ideal:DQuote:
Originally Posted by macca2
Rgds
Sorry Macca, but I'm stumped regarding more vehicle ideas because of the height limitation, which seems to indicate you are stuck with a sedan, with the low seating arrangement remaining a problem.
Next consideration is an alteration to the garage entrance - is that out of the question?
soth
Thought of that but cost to lower floor, fit new door and adjust levels of driveway and patio are prohibited.
Macca,
just wondering if it's possible to get past the height issue by getting the wheelchair partly lowered before you drive into the garage? You may need to get some modifications done to the controller but this would be far less expensive than the structural alterations you have mentioned.
Mick
Thanks Mick......measurements are with the chair folded and laying on it's side on the rack.
Macca
Macca,
I've not really watched one in action, but I assumed that the mechanism lowered the folded up chair down off the roof. I was wondering if its travel could be halted when it was part way down so that there was minimum extra height above the car's roof. Probably not possible for all sorts of good reasons, but I had to ask, just in case it made a really simple work around. I'm guessing that even if it were possible then you'd probably end up with the chair sticking out sideways from the car and getting in the way width wise and also obstructing your view.
Probably a bit extreme, but it is possible to raise and lower a vehicle with aftermarket hydraulic or pneumatic systems
Mick
G'day Macca2,Quote:
Originally Posted by macca2
I'm going to get blasted for this, but so what.
A 4x4 is a 4x4 and in my book there's only 2, the Landcruiser and the Patrol. Anything less is for running around town in (fair go, WB ran up to B/ville and back in one, but I'd think he's one of the very few who use it for a dual purpose) and if that's all the use it's going to get - then stick to a sedan.
If you've got a 4x4 it's for off-road, you don't care if it gets dings, scratched or dirty. A 4x4 doesn't really give you more security in a crash, they have a higher centre of gravity and are more prone to rolling - especially on the tar and if you don't know how to drive a 4x4. They might protect you, but in Toorak or Armidale you're going to wipe out the car or kid you hit.
A small wagon will give you no more saftey than a sedan.
I'll now sit back and wait to be flamed. :o
A further edit: Having read through to the 4th page I finally found why you were choosing a larger car for your needs. So it's more really a size issue than anything else. :doh:
G'day Waldo
I was not looking at a 4x4 as such. It so happens that the small "soft roaders" have the seat height I was looking at at the time.
Added to this the Forester has a 5 star crash rating, and constant 4 wheel drive which is a added safety feature in the wet or on gravel. It also sits and drives more like a car. It was never my intention to get a "real" 4x4 to tool around the city.
However because of headroom in the garage I am now looking at other vehicles that will do what I require, (albeit with a lower seat height) as even the Forester is too high in the roof line.
Thanks for your input
Macca
G'day Macca2,
Pity about the Forester then with the height to your garage, because they are respected for their build quality and saftey rating.
He he...Woosho!...... I've just not half an hour ago picked up my new V6 Suzuki to do all those things you said can only be done in a Patrol or Cruiser!Quote:
Originally Posted by Waldo
I generally agree with your sentiments Waldo, but can't see any reason why two people travelling light, have to put up with the size, weight, poor handling and complete discomfort of the aforementioned "proper" 4x4's.
This is my fourth Suk, and while I'm not into rock climbing or competitiion stuff, the other three have gone places that most only see in magazines or television shows. This one will be no different. Actually it will be very different: Automatic, Airconditioning ABS EBD LMONP QRSTUVW.... it's got the lot!
This isn't me, but I'd hate to see what a "real" 4x4 could do!:doh:
http://www.nbs4x4club.com/Photos/rov.../jeffrock1.jpg
G'day BittingMidge,
Not saying a lesser 4x4 can't do the things a Patrol or Landcruiser can do, just my opionion on what a real 4x4 is.
Heck, to agree with your pic and what you said, my late Dad when he had to go out in the field as a Hydrographer, one area he had to do was up in Mareeba. On weekends he'd take his 1968 Toyota Corona in the same places he'd take the work Landcruiser and over bolders in the river beds over 3ft high - it's not what you drive, but more knowing how to drive in a given situation. :2tsup:
Yep! In about '73 when Range Rovers were just invented, (and at the time were amazint off-road vehicles) a mate went down the Birdsville track with four blokes in RR's.
He was the only one not to get bogged on the whole trip, and he was driving a Peugeot 504 (with "wintertread" tyres).
I thought seriously before spending $30k on the new Zook, as for that sort of dough I could have had an old tank and a heap of modifications. I do around 10k a year driving to work and the shops, and previously about 2k off-road. Over the next few years, the off-road k's will increase, but so will the on-road numbers to get to those places... for instance, mucking round around the Darling - Menindee area on the way to Goolwa may well expose us to 200 k's of gentle 4wd territory (within the scope of most 2wd's but not the Beemer :rolleyes: ), and later maybe another 100k or so in the Alpine country, out of a total 6,000 k's. I really couldn't think of anything more unpleasant than driving a laden Patrol that far.
Oh! yes I can! Driving a laden Cruiser!
cheers,
P
:D :D :D
A real 4x4? Like the one in the first pic? No sir, that could never get stuck or bogged. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by bitingmidge
And no, I wasn't driving at the time. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Waldo
It's not whether it can get stuck or bogged that counts!Quote:
Originally Posted by Felder
It's whether you can walk out of the bog with it on your shoulder!
Cheers,
P
:D :D :D
Most folks could not perform the task of which you speak, Midge.Quote:
Originally Posted by bitingmidge
But because I am so HUUUUUGGE I can carry out one truck on each shoulder.
:flex:
G'day Felder,Quote:
Originally Posted by Felder
Can we have that as demo at the next Melb WWW Show? If you can lift a Hammer b/saw on your shoulders I'll buy one and won't even ask SWMBO for permission. :D
DEAL! :shakehands:Quote:
Originally Posted by Waldo
Now if you will excuse me, I have something I need to do for the next eight months.....
:wlift2:
G'day Felder,Quote:
Originally Posted by Felder
Thought I'd help you out a bit there. :D
http://www.alibaba.com/productsearch/Ab_Workout.html
I held off for a while but last night has prompted me to reply. I loved my Forester before last night, but SWMBO and our two boys were driving back from Sydney in the storms around 10pm when she hit water, spun and flipped the car. Car is a goner but everyone inside is safe and sound without even a scratch. When it comes time to replace this car, it will be with another forester (glad she wasnt in the Rio:()
Corbs
I can relate to that - I had an older Subaru 1800 model which was hit by a fairly full sand and gravel truck running a red light :oo: at about 80+kph. I managed to get the hit transfered from the passenger door :o to the back door :C at the last millisecond - no fast airbeds in those days - and was flipped over and spun 180 degrees. I was left looking back where I'd come from hanging upside down from the seatbelt going "wow" (multiple times - shock does strange things :-) before I let my out (click - ouch! slide through window) and look at the carnage. Total writeoff. Bought another Subaru immediately after. Will (probably) be buying another soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by corbs
Oh, and the second Subaru crossed the Simpson desert along with a big b*gger hired Nissan Patrol. I can relate to the previous reply: there's nothing like surfing over the top of hundreds of sanddunes :): get a good run up, hit 3rd sometimes 4th by the bottom of the dune, get to 1st just before the top then clutch in and surf over the loose stuff right at the top. Oh, and pray there's noone coming the other way! You end up with a really shiny and thinner bashplate too :U. Oh, and the Subaru got up Big Red first time while the Patrol needed three goes (ignore the fact it was carrying most but not all of the supplies :rolleyes:). There was some evidence for the Cairns (or somewhere up there) Morris club having made the trip in the 60's or 70's, but I reckon they just had three people carrying each car across :p.
Rob
That is the clincher for me, safest car on the road is the one you want your family in.Quote:
Originally Posted by corbs
2 foresters (99 & 2004) now I've got a "proper" 4wd again ('06 Navara str).........really miss those foresters I does.
Macca,
I happened to drive past a vehicle with a wheelchair rack on the roof the other day, the chair being out of the rack and the rack was in the "down" position. I saw immeidately that my idea was no help at all.:oo: Here's another possible solution out of left field: If the height of the vehicle is the limiting factor due to restricted head height in your garage you might want to price the cost of a carport being tacked on to the front of your garage. It might just be the solution to your dilemma.
Mick
Yep looking into the carport idea, and also looking at removing Tilt door and replacing it with 2 remote operated swing gates. (2 x 3m) as the gaeage is 6metres wide.
This will give me the full height of the garage which is 2100.
Might still get the Forester. It realy is the best seat height for me.
Macca
Because of the headroom under my existing garage door I had to go for compromise.
Lancer sports wagon. 2.4l. Nice unit.
I now have my license to drive modified hand controls vehicle.
Mods all done and I am back on the road.
All that remains is to get the ceiling of the garage boxed out by 300mm to allow hoist to raise and lower chair in the garage.
Thanks again for all ideas and suggestions.
Macca
Glad to see you got the solution that suits you Macca. I've owned a few Toyotas, and loved them all. Couldn't kill 'em. But I've always lusted for Subarus. Never owned one though. Now driving a Falcon wagon, and I've got to say that it is a great car, within the limitations of its design. Impressed with the robust reliability and comfort. But I'd still be happier with a Toyota or a Subaru I reckon.