The Australian ID Card

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Originally Posted by Grunt

Terrorist have been known to lie, cheat and produce fake Ids. .

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Nah, you cant be serious can you:confused:

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Originally Posted by redwood

Nah, you cant be serious can you:confused:

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Nah, he isn't. Terrorists aren't all bad. The ones that flew the planes into the WTC paid for theirt tickets at least.

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Originally Posted by Gumby

Nah, he isn't. Terrorists aren't all bad. The ones that flew the planes into the WTC paid for theirt tickets at least.

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but did they claim their frequent flyer points

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Originally Posted by redwood

Shed go

https://superseeker.super.ato.gov.au...ult.aspx?pid=0

enter your TFN, date of birth, blah blah, and if your owed it will be here:D

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Yeah, been there done that mate. The problem is, most of the money belongs to highly job mobile young people who dont understand super, don't care about it, don't read about it and therefore don't know they have money somewhere. If their (and our) TFN numbers were required to be included on super member application forms then any lost money would be automatically added to your account. Its just to simple for the stupid government to accept.:( You'd puke if I told you where the lost money eventually ends up and what happens with it in the interim.:mad:

What will the OZ card do that the current tax file number system cant do??

it wont stop terrorists. The hijackers from 9/11 used their own names and identity papers.

Until someone can tell me how this small peice of plastic will legitamatly stop terrorism im against.

Lets put it bluntly, if someone is going to fly a 747 into a building or blow them selves up with explosives, How is an idenity card going to stop them???.

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Originally Posted by Shedhand

You'd puke if I told you where the lost money eventually ends up and what happens with it in the interim.:mad:

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No i wouldnt, i dont get stressed about such things, i couldnt care less. my super is in order and thats all i worry about. if anyone cant find theirs bad luck for being careless. anyway when you have a half a cube of blackwood in the shed to play with why stress over such trivial matters:D

The best reason to be against the ID card is that Ruddock is for it.

Well, maybe not the best reason, but a quite good one.

Then the best reason for it is Peter Garrett is against it

Well, maybe not the best reason, but a quite good one.

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Originally Posted by AlexS

The best reason to be against the ID card is that Ruddock is for it.

Well, maybe not the best reason, but a quite good one.

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Too True

Besides it's really easy to identify terrorists, everyone know they drive Pajeros or VW Kombis'.

Seriously why does the government think terrorists will not be legit aussie citizens, what we don't have enough disaffected marginalised people of our own all too willing to listen and get brainwashed by any fix it quick with violence propaganda marchant, that we'd have to import some illegal ones:rolleyes: .

A national ID card will not stop terrorism. It didn't stop the London attacks either. Even if the TFN is included it will not stop tax evasion, which is different from the legal tax avoidance, and it will cost billions and erode our freedoms.

Whilst the current government might be genuinely concerned about terrorism and think it will help in its fight against it, a future government will use it to suppress our already limited freedom.

Introducing a national ID card is a bit like changing our constitution. If the government is for it a thinking person would automatically reject it. Can't trust the pollies in that regard whatever their colour or party.


Peter.

Licences have been mentioned here a few times. Lets hope the ID card is administered a bit better than licences, I just renewed my Drivers licence for free by handing over my Pension Card.
Great, they just renewed a heavy vehicle drivers licence for a bloke on a Disability pension.

I didn't read this thread as specifically due to terrorism, but more as a sign of the times.

I agree with being able to clearly identify an individual if necessary, whether it be for police reasons, taxation or to claim benefits. Fingerprint/photo IDs embedded in chips in the cards (like the new passports) may help.

maybe we should just get ear tags like cattle ... MOOOO!! :D

The people who they want to catch can easily replicate or obtain a fake id anyway.

Next time you sign a credit card invoice see if the person actually checks your signature anyway.

All the card debate will do is waste more money, good for those who will make the money producing them etc.

And while it's in the headlines watch all the sneaky things that the gov gets through un-noticed.