Election

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Originally Posted by Waldo

So does that make you one of the blokes who used to paint inside of the fuel tanks?


(planes are more interesting than politics :shrug:)

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After I left the RAAF, yes I did do a stint in reseal/deseal. Spent long hours laying inside them picking silastic from every single rivet head... 300mm would be a good shift:oo:.

Cheers,

So Nelson and the Bish wont allow the senate to repeal Workchoices.
I think I feel a double delusion coming on.
Astrid

oh no, one's enough!




:p

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Originally Posted by astrid

I think I feel a double delusion coming on.
Astrid

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:rolleyes: Wouldnt be you would it? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Brickie

:rolleyes: Wouldnt be you would it? :rolleyes:

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cant keep away from a good argument can you :q:q

yep quite possibly,
Its Friday
Astrid:U
diliberatly ambiguous and yes i know i cant spell

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Originally Posted by astrid

So Nelson and the Bish wont allow the senate to repeal Workchoices

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:2tsup:

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Originally Posted by astrid

So Nelson and the Bish wont allow the senate to repeal Workchoices.

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That's not what he said. When asked about blocking any new workplace legislation his words were:
"Our key responsibility is to make sure that we do not do anything that makes it harder for an Australian to get a job and that makes it harder for an employer - who's borrowed money to create and establish a business - to actually give someone a job."

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“I would be exceptionally disappointed if the Liberals and the Nationals were still so out of touch with families across Australia that they ignored what those families said at the ballot box on Saturday.”

And if you look at the primary vote the people didn't vote labor in the Green preferences did had the preferences gone to the libs we would have Howard, :oo:

I think i's called the co altion
astrid

Here's an interesting opinion piece from a guy I don't normally agree with.

Look here

Steve Biddulph is best known for condemning early childcare as bad for children, but this is a critical piece on the future of the political parties in Australia. I particularly like the last paragraph, which sums up why I would not have voted for the Liberals, if I'd got my citizenship in time http://forums.permaculture.org.au/images/smiles/sad.gif

"The big lie of Liberal supremacy was economic management. In fact, they knew how to generate income, but not how to spend it. We could have been building what Europe built in this past decade - superb hospitals, bullet trains, schools and training centres, low cost public transport of luxurious quality, magnificent public housing. We it all away on tax giveaways and consumer goods. On bloated homes that we will not be able to cool or heat, or sell, and cars we won't be able to afford to drive. A party based on self interest may evaporate along with our rivers and lakes, and have no role to play in a world where we co-operate or die."

This neatly sums up my own feelings on the last 20 years. We've just lived through the most affluent time in our history, and what do we have to pass on to our children? World class hospitals? Innovative education systems? Future focused cities? Shock proof agriculture? No, we have the highest level of debt ever, built up not paying for stuff which will be broken, obselote or useless before its paid for.

Just what part of Europe are we talking about?

His theories sound a bit far fetched. The Greens will become sidelined once the two major parties adopt their acceptable policies. I remember a party called One Nation ............

richard,
you deserve more than:2tsup:

Thanks
Astrid

Yes, I wondered that too, generalising about "Europe" as one entity is a long bow. And of course, his picture of the future is only one of many. Another is the one where civilization collapses when the oil runs out. Another again is a continued repeat of the left / right cycle of the last century, etc, etc... Although I do like the one where the American 'empire' collapses.

However, first of all, the chances are that the 21st century will not be the same as the 20th. Political parties are not immortal and new ones do arise, some die, some succeed.

Secondly, I still don't think the last government spent tax revenues wisely, particularly in investing for the future. I see that GST, and other reforms were important and valid, but I do not believe that they worked to create a strong and sustainable society or economy.

I believe the opportunities of the last 20 years have been wasted.

Talking planes I remember seeing the Mirage IIIC fly rings around the FA18 at a demo here in Adelaide. BUT so far as ordinance goes the FA18 could do much more. The Mirage was a jet engine bolted to a pair of wings a real hot rod for a time when flying mattered much more. Today it really gets back to ordinance delivery. Air combat might happen from 100km away get to position and fire missiles.

Of interest might be this page which details the case for various aircraft and finds for the JSF. It mentioned also the likely need to update our FA18 A's with E or F variants.

Studley