Shellacing?

[ozwinner]

Hi All

When I built my grandfather clock, I was unaware of all the good finishes that are available.
I used Organoil ( which is a good product ) and wax.
Now I feel that I want to give the clock a shellacing.
Firstly how do I remove the oil and wax?
And firstly can it be done?
But firstly when I remove the oil will the shellac stick?

Cheers, Al

[Shane Watson]

Havn't you got 'The Book' ? Thats almost worth a bluey if ya havn't! ;) ;) ;)

Mwahahahahaha :D :D :D

[ozwinner]

Yes I do have Neils "little brown book" :D

So whats the answer? :confused:

Al :o

[Ben from Vic.]

I have The Book, and feel at this time that I should point out that it does not answer every question known to man on the subject of finishing.

I would guess that only about half the time that someone is told to 'refer to the book, and if you don't have it, buy it' is the answer to their question actuly in the book. :(

I am in no way having a shot at The Book. It cannot hope to answer every little question about finishing in 'just' 192 pages.

There, I've said it. :eek:

Throw rotten veggies........... now. :o

Ben.

Sorry Al, can't help with your question. :) No offence intended Shane. :)

[outback]

OOOOOOHHHHH AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

Ya shoulda seen that coming! :p

[RETIRED]

I don't normally answer finishing Questions because if it "don't come out of a gun" I don't use it.

I am sure that Neil would agree with you Ben,

As you say, you can't cover all the variables in 192 pages. I doubt anyone could do it in 1920 pages.

Al, I think that you are in for a lot of work. Turps,cloth, a lot of elbow grease and a scraper should remove most of the wax.

If the oil is dry I would then lacquer it and use that as a base coat for the shellac.

Neil will probably kick my bum and give you the right answer when he gets back.:D

[ozwinner]

Thanks :rolleyes:


The wax wasnt put on too thickly. :cool:
Its only a very thin frame anyhoo.

Al

[Bob Willson]

I had to remove some wax myself the other day. I used kerosene to remove the wax and then Meths to remove the kero. Worked great.

As for oil under shellac, try it on a bit of scrap and see what happens.

[Sturdee]

Firstly how do I remove the oil and wax?
And firstly can it be done?
But firstly when I remove the oil will the shellac stick?


The questions are not answered in the book and would be usefull to know.



Now I feel that I want to give the clock a shellacing.


Al, when you say give the clock a good shellacing do you mean brushing on a few coats of shellac and wax or french polishing?
If it is the first I would not bother but if it is french polishing I suggest you practice on something easy and not something as good as you clock.

Peter.

[ozwinner]

I was thinking of just brushing some on. :D


Al

[Sturdee]

Maybe Neil or Shane can comment but I think that would be a lot of work for very little improvement in appearance.


Peter

[Eastie]

I seem to recall, either from the book or on another thread, that shellac will take to just about anything. The one thing I found it didn't take to was estapol tung oil - it dried and then flaked off. Give a couple of scrap peices a go with oil/wax, clean them off and see what you end up with.

Bob, Kero? does the piece still stink? I know it works a charm on wax and oils but I've been reluctant to use it for fear the wood would stink for ages :confused:

[Bob Willson]

Eastie, the meths (abbreviated because I can't remember how to spell 'methylated',) removes all traces of the kerosene and leaves a very clean surface. Try it on a few scraps.

[journeyman Mick]

Firstly how do I remove the oil and wax?
And firstly can it be done?
But firstly when I remove the oil will the shellac stick?

Cheers, Al

Hey Al,
three "firstlys" in a row? :confused:

Mick (the counting nazi :eek: ;) :D )

[bitingmidge]

Mick,

SHhhhh.

I figured it was just one of those old spelling glitches back to haunt us. You know:

Firstly - spelled F I R S T L Y

Secondly - spelled F I R S T L Y

Thirdly - spelled F I R S T L Y

Hmmmmmm smell the metho!!

Cheers,

P
Nazi Hunter

[outback]

Maybe what Al means is some things are just more firster than others :D

[Bob Willson]

Makes me firsty just trying to work it all out.

[ozwinner]

I just thought Id give you fellas a laugh. :D


Al

[journeyman Mick]

Al,
you always give me a laugh! :D

Mick

[Neil]

Ozwinner:

Firstly: wash it down with mineral turps. That is most likely the solvent used in the manufacture.
And firstly: wipe it with a clean rag to remove all traces of the wax.
But firstly: after that make sure the whole thing is dried down properly then firstly give it all a wash off with metho.

Then if you wish you can apply your first coat of shellac.

But firstly: What was wrong with the finish you had applied firstly? Did it look terrible? If not then why do you want to mess with it?


You may do better to give it a few more coats of a harder wax especially if you have just used a beeswax paste.

Firstly but not least I hope this is of some help.

Cheers - Neil :D

[DPB]

Firstest and foremostest, Neil - love your new avitar!

[ozwinner]

Ozwinner:

Firstly: wash it down with mineral turps. That is most likely the solvent used in the manufacture.
And firstly: wipe it with a clean rag to remove all traces of the wax.
But firstly: after that make sure the whole thing is dried down properly then firstly give it all a wash off with metho.

Then if you wish you can apply your first coat of shellac.

But firstly: What was wrong with the finish you had applied firstly? Did it look terrible? If not then why do you want to mess with it?


You may do better to give it a few more coats of a harder wax especially if you have just used a beeswax paste.

Firstly but not least I hope this is of some help.

Cheers - Neil :D
Well firstly, I put on some of your beautiful EEE over the oil.http://www.computerpannen.com/cwm/contrib/sarge/Blurp_anim.gif
Then firstly after that I put on some of your beautiful traditional wax.http://www.computerpannen.com/cwm/contrib/sarge/Blurp_anim.gif
Maybe I should firStly put on more traditional wax.
The reason I was thinking of removeing the oil was firstly it looks dead and dull, but maybe with more wax it will come more shinyerer.
I gave it two hits with the traditional wax in the first place, firstly that is.

Cheers, Al http://www.computerpannen.com/cwm/contrib/sarge/Blurp_anim.gif

Did I mention http://www.computerpannen.com/cwm/contrib/sarge/Blurp_anim.gif