no anzac day holliday

[weisyboy]

i recon not having a holiday on anzac day is just plain unaustralian.

anzac day is the most important day on the clandar for most australians.

whada you think.

[Calm]

I think it would be nice to have another public holiday but i guess the day falls on Saturday so what are you going to "pay homage" to on Monday or friday.

The same as Australia Day - do the americans celebrate the 4th of July on the fifth or any other day.

And i suppose now we have 7 day shopping and a lot of people work different days - not just monday to friday - so it may be irrelevant

I'd still like the holiday though, the more the better but i suppose employers done see it that way.

Cheers

[Sir Stinkalot]

It seems odd that it is a public holiday if it falls Monday to Friday but not on a Saturday or Sunday. It would indicate that they only think the workforce are Monday to Friday. I would love a day off on Monday but the day itself is on a Saturday so there is no point having Monday off. The public holiday should be on the 25th April no matter what day of the week it falls on.

It is interesting here in Victoria that in 2009 when Anzac day falls on a Saturday there is no public holiday. In 2010 it falls on a Sunday so we have Monday as a public holiday, but in 2011 when it falls on Easter Monday we get Tuesday off???

"Victorians will receive a substitute public holiday for ANZAC Day in 2010 and 2011, following a Council for the Australian Federation (CAF) agreement to increase harmonisation of all Australian states and territories’ approach to ANZAC Day.

The Premier, John Brumby, said that under the CAF agreement Victorians would have a substitute public holiday on the following Monday when ANZAC Day falls on a Sunday in 2010 and a substitute public holiday on the following Tuesday when ANZAC Day falls on Easter Monday in 2011.

“ANZAC Day holds a special place for so many Victorians, each year providing the opportunity for us all to remember and learn more about the sacrifices made by our veterans and to keep their memory alive in our community,” Mr Brumby said.

“While all states and territories have legislation in place that prescribes Anzac Day as a public holiday on April 25, there have been varied approaches to whether a holiday is observed the following Monday when Anzac Day falls on a Sunday.

“This new agreement is a positive and practical outcome that increases harmonisation of the Anzac Day holiday across state borders, removes some anomalies between the states and means that in 2010 and 2011, Victorians will get a substitute holiday when ANZAC day falls on Sunday and Easter Monday respectively.”

Mr Brumby said that all commemorative events associated with ANZAC day would continue to be observed on 25 April.

“It is important that the commemoration of ANZAC day continue to occur on 25 April,” he said. "

Taken from http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/newsroom/substitute-public-holiday-for-victorians-in-2010-and-2011.html

[weisyboy]

yep i think anzac day isthe one day every shop should close.

[Ironwood]

Saturday is the gazzetted day for the public holiday, as that is Anzac Day.

I can see where you are coming from Weisy, but think of it this way, if you were working in an industry that that was 24 hrs a day 7 days a week (and there's quite a few these days) would you rather have the Friday off and have to work on the Saturday.
I know I would rather have my day off to celebrate Anzac Day on the actual day, and this year that happens to be on Saturday.

[wheelinround]

Weisy I agree :2tsup: but it has to be total closure meaning from all walks of life.:rolleyes: But only on the day it falls (edited)

This says a lot of how all these companies feel about Service personell and what they put themselves at risk for, so these people may have a life time of freedom and safe living. So they may try and do in a democratic way rid ANZAC from our lives, in other countries they if trying to remove such events would be jailed or shot.

While they deny one day of homage and thanks to reflect the losses and service given.:((

So lets drop the Union pushed paid penalties for ANZAC day see how far we'd get.

No sport ie:- Footy, Golf, Soccer, etc etc as these are now business run ventures with many paid employee's.

No service stations, buses, trains, planes

No Macca's, KFC, etc

What of Police, Ambo's, Nurses

One of the main business pushing for opening is all under one banner Wesfarmers look at who their board of directors are and major share holders not one return service man or woman.

[mic-d]

Apparently there is the same level of services on Saturday as there would be if Anzac day falls on a weekday, ie supermarkets and large shops will be closed etc etc. That's as it should be I reckon, and I hope there is never a public holiday given on a Friday or a Monday if it falls on a weekend. The day should be honoured on the day.

Cheers
Michael

[Lignin]

I'm with Wheelin'.
I seem to recall that ,in days of yore, a public holiday was just that, and there was no commerce (except emergencies),and very little sport etc.
ANZAC Day ,having almost disappeared a few years ago, now has become,in many Aussies' eyes, the most important "celebration" of the year, and as such, should be accorded the respect with which it is due.It is a day on which we should thank all the members of the services, past and present,for what they have done, and continue to do.
Lest we forget.

[blonk]

Should be seen as a regular public holiday, as for no commerce, what if all the pubs closed too! :C

[Jim Carroll]

All holidays should be on the days they coincide with not before or after.

As mentioned would the US have the fourth of july on any other day.

All business should close for those days and all other activity stop also.

All it is greed for another $ we should respect what those days were for Anzac Day, Labor day Mothers day etc.

Just because it is on a weekend does not mean to get another day of in luie all the weekday workers never complain when it lands in the week as this happens five years in a row but the moment it happens on the weekend all hell breaks loose.

[silentC]

I disagree. I think we should get a day off on Friday. The boss is getting an extra day for free out of me this year. :)

[Chesand]

I agree with Jim

Anzac Day & Australia Day in particular should be on the actual date

[silentC]

No one is suggesting having it on a different date but the public holiday should be on a weekday. Why should the public holiday and the observance be on the same day? Is the Queen's Birthday actually on the 8th of June? The public holiday is about giving workers a day off, hence the name. Having a public holiday on a weekend is pointless for the majority of the population.

[Barry_White]

Well I don't care anyway because of the economic downturn I get everyday off.

[Big Shed]

Well I don't care anyway because of the economic downturn I get everyday off.

neither do I, every day is a holiday for me:D

[silentC]

My boss says that about me too but that's not the point!

[masoth]

IMO there should be no 'public holiday' granted - ANZAC Day is not a celebration. It is to remember the sacrifice of men and women on active service.

soth

[silentC]

It has been a public holiday since 1916. Obviously the people around at the time that these sacrifices were made thought it warranted one. I guess they're all gone now, so you wont be able to ask them why.

Actually, you can blame the kiwis because I think they were the first to have a day off over it.

But be that as it may, it is, and has long been, a public holiday. I suppose a lot of people get involved in the meaning of the event, but the majority these days would just see it as an opportunity to spend a day with family or go to the pub and play two up the one time of the year it is 'legal' to do so.

I'm not religious but I'm happy to take Friday and Monday off over Easter and Christmas day too.

[mic-d]

Why should the public holiday and the observance be on the same day?
The public holiday is about giving workers a day off, hence the name.


Why should a day set aside to remember those who fell and those who served entitle us to a day off on another day? Is it a right they fought and died for?


OK Silent, don't answer that. They were Australians, it probably bloody was!

Cheers
Michael

[silentC]

See my post above though. It has been a public holiday for close to 100 years. My only issue is that I miss out on a day off this year. Australia day last year was on a Saturday but we still got a public holiday on the Monday. It had nothing to do with the celebration of Australia Day - the labour unions negotiated with the government to give us a day off. It is an entitlement after all. That aspect of it has nothing to do with the ANZAC spirit etc.

But yes you are right, I believe they were fighting for the type of world in which we are able to have a day off every now and then.

[wheelinround]

SC how do you miss having a day off :B do you work Saturday's :?

What you mean is your not getting a paid day off I think :rolleyes::roll:

[silentC]

No I don't work on Saturday but I fail to see what that has to do with anything I have posted.

If there was a public holiday for ANZAC day on the Monday, like there should be, like there will be in WA and ACT, I would get a day off work. Just like there was for Australia day last year.

Anyway, it will never happen again:


A new national agreement, which takes effect from 2010, will harmonise substitute public holidays when Anzac Day falls on a Sunday, as it does in 2010, or on a public holiday, such as Easter Monday in 2011.


In 2010, all states and territories will have a public holiday on the Monday, and in 2011 the Easter holiday break will be extended to Tuesday, April 26.


http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24918602-5006009,00.html

[wheelinround]

My only issue is that I miss out on a day off this year. .


So whats this statement :?

[silentC]

Man oh man. You and I are really on different planets, aren't we?

I give up. Whatever you think I meant is good enough for me at this point...

[Lignin]

Now now boys, play nicely!!
If the servicemen and women hadn't been there over the years, we may well not have had the oportunity to dissent.
Holiday or no holiday, paid or otherwise, just be a bit appreciative.
LEST WE FORGET.

[silentC]

Nobody is challenging the concept of ANZAC day. In fact I don't need a special day to be appreciative of what was done.

The topic of debate here is whether there should be a public holiday. I think very few working people would turn it down.

[Calm]

But there is a public holiday on the 25th April - the day it falls on.:2tsup::rolleyes:

What you want is a day off work between monday and friday using Anzac day as the excuse.:- I think you will find the public holiday was gazetted so working people can go to the activities put on with the rememberance theme in mind. If you have a day off Monday there will be no such activities for you to go to, hence no reason to have a day off any day but the 25th April.:roll:

That is what sickpay is for just ring up and say you are ill - there you go - a day off.:D:D

[silentC]

Did you happen to read any of the other stuff above? :)

WA and ACT have seen fit to grant it, and following a Council for the Australian Federation agreement, all states will grant a substitute public holiday for ANZAC day next year (when it falls on a Sunday) and the year after (when it falls on Easter Monday).

I'm not asking for anything out of the ordinary. The only reason we aren't getting one in NSW is probably because the RSL whinged louder than the unions.

And I don't care what anyone says, declaring a public holiday on a weekend is a ridiculous concept.

[Calm]

Yep read every post but that doesnt change the fact the commemeration day is the 25th and that is the day that should be a public holiday. So tell me next year if you are say a nurse or Policeman and are rostered to work Sunday and Monday do you get paid 2 public holidays or only one. Does that mean you then work on Sunday (25th April) for single pay, or is it Monday you work for single pay when you (who doesnt work Sunday will get holiday pay?

"And I don't care what anyone says, declaring a public holiday on a weekend is a ridiculous concept."

Not if you work on a Saturday or Sunday

[Sturdee]

There are four aspects to this.

The first one is that Anzac day, falling on Saturday, is a public holiday and must be observed in accordance with the special laws dealing with Anzac day.

Secondly businesses can operate on public holidays, with the proviso as above, but must pay their staff additional moneys for working on such public holidays.

Thirdly if gazetted public holidays are observed on the day, and not substituted to a different day, employees who are normally rostered of on that day must be paid a day's pay, given a day of within 28 days in lieu or a day added to their holiday.

Finally if a substitute day is gazetted these provisions apply to the substitued days and not the original day.

So if you normally don't work on a saturday you must be paid anyway.

Wonderfull laws we have as for instance when Christmas and Boxing day fell on saturday and sunday, those working on saturday and sunday got normal pay but those working on the substituted days of monday and tuesday, like me :D , got 2 1/2 times pay.


Peter.

[silentC]

I don't work on Saturday or Sunday now. When I did, we were paid double time for Sundays and public holidays. We would still have to work. That's a choice you make if you work in shift work or retail. Nobody holds a gun to your head.


Not if you work on a Saturday or Sunday

To carry your argument to a logical conclusion, we should abolish weekends altogether and every day can be a working day. It's all arbitrary anyway, so what's the point? They should just bump up our leave entitlements and abolish public holidays. Then people who don't celebrate Easter can take their 4 day break in a nicer part of the year.

Anyway it's a pointless debate because, as I already said at least twice, from next year we'll be getting the substitute holiday if it falls on a weekend, so obviously greater minds than ours have made their decision and it happens to agree with my opinion, which is fine by me. :)

[Calm]

so obviously greater minds than ours have made their decision

You sure you want to stand by that comment:D:D:o:doh:

[Cliff Rogers]

I am glad I don't employ anybody any longer.... employees are whingers.... :rolleyes:

If you trade/work on a weekend or a public holiday you are called greedy even though they are the ones that expect to be paid extra for it.

If the holiday falls on a weekend & not a weekday, you are accused of getting an extra day of labour for free.

I am SO glad that I don't employ anybody any more. :D

[glen boulton]

i'm hearin you cliff.....ditto

[Chesand]

Me too

Is it any wonder that we are known as the land of the long weekend

[Vernonv]

I am glad I don't employ anybody any longer.... employees are whingers.... :rolleyes:

If you trade/work on a weekend or a public holiday you are called greedy even though they are the ones that expect to be paid extra for it.

If the holiday falls on a weekend & not a weekday, you are accused of getting an extra day of labour for free.

I am SO glad that I don't employ anybody any more. :D


i'm hearin you cliff.....ditto


Me too

Is it any wonder that we are known as the land of the long weekend

You guys could always move to somewhere like China ... then you wouldn't have any of those pesky labor problems. :roll::U

[Christopha]

Anzac Day, no matter what day of the week, is a day of remberance NOT an excuse for another day off. It is a day to remember those Australians who died for the freedoms we have and for some member to suggest that we need a day off as well is ungrateful, unfeeling, disgusting and UNAUSTRALIAN!
Silentc, you should be ashamed.

[44Ronin]

All business should close for those days and all other activity stop alsoThat sentiment is just irrational and absurd.

I think this thread is pretty absurd come to think of it.

Being Australian with Turkish heritage (dual citizenship), all I care about is the significance and meaning of Anzac day, that lest we forget.

Those heroes who shed their blood and lost their lives, you are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side in this country of ours. You, the mothers who sent their sons from far away countries wipe away your tears, your sons are now lying in our bosoms and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they become our sons as well.

I also have deep care for observing remembrance day because it is distinct from anzac day. It is not about the national identity and association. It is about the human cost and sacrifice for all victims of war. Not solely those who served, from Australia and or New Zealand.

Remembrance day does not get the appreciation, observance or respect it deserves. In a sense, I am dissapointed that we don't commemorate and remember the non-service victims of war to the same extent as servicemen and women in our country. I will never choose to favour one over the other, neither consciously nor subconsiously.I don't believe in it either.

Now if you want to get on the blower about "un-Australian" nonsense....I will tell you what is very Australian..... :roll: ....it's very Australian to put more significance into anzac day than remembrance day :no:

[Geoff Dean]

Anzac Day, no matter what day of the week, is a day of remberance NOT an excuse for another day off. It is a day to remember those Australians who died for the freedoms we have and for some member to suggest that we need a day off as well is ungrateful, unfeeling, disgusting and UNAUSTRALIAN!
Silentc, you should be ashamed.

Little bit harsh in your comments there christopha, if fact, a lot harsh.

Pot? Kettle? Black? :rolleyes:

[echnidna]

Christopha harsh, not at all, straight forward and to the point

[Wood Borer]

As workers we should get a set number of public holidays per year.

If we wish to name these public holidays such as Christmas day, Queen's birthday, Anzac day etc that's fine but give them to us all the same.

Some clowns have said that if you don't think the Queen should be our monarch then you should go to work on that day or if you are not a Christian then you should not take Christmas day. I say to those clowns, think yourself lucky that we name the public holiday after your soap box topic - if you keep up your toxic talk the day should be named something else.

Money centric selfish small minded employers take every opportunity to deny their workers including coming up with things like "if it doesn't fall on the day...." Good on you scrooges - your employees probably think the same about you as you think about them. Leads to a great working relationship that sort of attitude :no:

Call all the public holidays by some other name if some sectors of the community think they can profit if those days fall on a weekend. Give workers set public holidays.

[ian]

As long as I can remember, and that's more than twice the time you've been alive Weisy, ANZAC day itself has been the gazetted public holiday. Only when ANZAC day fell on Sunday was Monday the public holiday and the day used for the ANZAC parade – the reason being that you were supposed to go to church on Sunday and not get blotto with your old mates

And I don't agree with the very recent take over of ANZAC day by corporate sport


ian

[silentC]

Anzac Day, no matter what day of the week, is a day of remberance NOT an excuse for another day off. It is a day to remember those Australians who died for the freedoms we have and for some member to suggest that we need a day off as well is ungrateful, unfeeling, disgusting and UNAUSTRALIAN!
Silentc, you should be ashamed.
Emotive claptrap, Doorstop. Why doesn't it surprise me that you would go off half-cocked?

So you'll be going to work on Monday the 26th next year will you?

Wood Borer has hit the nail on the head.

[silentC]

Bugger, I just tracked down the CAF bulletin about it and the 'harmonisation' agreement only applies to when the 25th falls on a Sunday. So it's situation normal if it's a Saturday. I'll pull my head in now...

[Cliff Rogers]

You guys could always move to somewhere like China ... then you wouldn't have any of those pesky labor problems. :roll::U

Probley.

The way I work now is at a hourly rate.

If I work, I get paid.
If I don't work, I don't get paid.
I make provision for my own holidays.
I make provision for my own sick leave/medical expenses.
I make provision for my own work, liability, disability insurance.
I make provision for my own transport.
I make provision for my own tools.

If I don't want to work on a particular day, I say so, but I also don't expect to get paid for it.

If somebody wants me to work at some unreasonable time that is not convenient to me & they offer to pay a premium for the time & if we can come to an agreement what that premium is to be, then I will work.
If I was an employee asked to work at unreasonable hours I would get paid extra for it but since I am in fact a Sole Trader, I guess that just makes me a greedy bastard. :D

I am SO glad that I don't employ anybody any more. :2tsup:

[silentC]

I bet they are too. :D

[ian]

Emotive claptrap, Doorstop. Why doesn't it surprise me that you would go off half-cocked?

So you'll be going to work on Monday the 26th next year will you?

Wood Borer has hit the nail on the head.I'm really disappointed in you Silent, I had expected a better from you

to repost part of my earlier post
As long as I can remember, ANZAC day itself has been the gazetted public holiday.
Only when ANZAC day fell on Sunday was Monday the public holiday and the day used for the ANZAC Day parade – the reason being that you were supposed to go to church on Sunday and not get blotto after marching with your old mates


ian

[Lignin]

It seems that this thread has now become a "Boss vs Workers" debate rather than a reasoned argument as to whether ANZAC Day should have an accompanying day off when it falls on a Saturday, so I'm happy to join in.
As I tell all my politically motivated mates,
No bosses, no workers, and, no workers, no bosses.
In other words, we need each other, so, for Gawd's sake, give it a bloody rest.
On April 25th 1915, Australians and Kiwis, UNDER THE COMMAND OF THE POMMIES, were sent ashore against the Turks, and got shot to the s...house.
We remember the guts and determination, not the folly of war, and I,for one, couldn't give a tinkers cuss if we have an extra day off or not.
And, thanks for the quote from Kemal Attaturk,unattributed in a previous post.
If the enemy commander could show such respect, surely it behoves is to do so too, and withouit the rancour.
LEST WE FORGET.

[silentC]

I'm as in awe of what those men and women did as anyone. I have a bit of an interest in the two great wars from an historical perspective. I've read books about them. I can empathise with how people felt about leaving their loved ones, or seeing them sail away, maybe never to return. I get it, OK? Like I said, I don't need a special day to be appreciative of what they did. God forbid that I ever have to see my son or daughter do it. I'm probably too old now to have to ever do it myself.

Nobody is questioning the validity of the day. The debate is about whether we should have a public holiday that everyone can benefit from to mark the occasion. I agree with Wood Borer's stance on it. I think we should have a set number of public holidays and they should fall on a weekday.

People can call me un-Australian or whatever they like, it really doesn't bother me, because I know how I feel about it and their opinion doesn't matter to me. All it says to me is that they have completely missed the point.

My question stands: will those who say we don't need a day off to mark ANZAC day be going to work on Monday 26th next year?

[Vernonv]

What I find offensive is that people would use the memory of the ANZACs (or call someone unaustralian or disgusting or whatever) to belittle them just because they would like a public holiday.:roll:

No one has said the we shouldn't celebrate/remember the ANZACs on ANZAC day, all they are saying is that they want the public holiday.

I want a public holiday.

[Cliff Rogers]

...No bosses, no workers, and, no workers, no bosses.....
Yes but... when I had employees I put in a LOT more hours that they did that is for sure.... workers... puh!

[Wood Borer]

Courageous acts, blood and guts determination, sacrifices are recognised. Let's not kid ourselves though, I doubt if anyone can wholly appreciate the efforts of those we commerate on ANZAC day unless we were there.

To hijack the day to push your own political agenda or to seal an argument to me is worse than ignoring the day. There are many groups who greedily use this tactic.

People who fought and those who fought and died had a wide range of political views, religious views and all sorts of other views. They were not all old fuddy duddy hetrosexual right winged Christian monarchists who condenmed unions and workers rights. No matter what their views or preferences, their actions were all equally commendable.

Just because a member of a group or a political party commemorates this day doesn't mean we all have to vote for their party or agree with their views for fear of being un-Australian. Those sorts of people upset me greatly and I feel should be publicly disgraced and removed from office for such a low and disgusting act.

I personally don't attend services on ANZAC however it doesn't in any way mean that I don't respect the actions of my grandfather, my father or my uncles who between them fought for Australia in the trenches of France during WWI and in Europe, the Pacific and Darwin during WWII. We all commerate the day in own way.

The one who paid the ultimate sacrifice after being shot down over Germany I have learnt was a fun loving practical joker who enjoyed a beer and a fair go for all. Like many of his mates, he wasn't some boring straight laced conservative - he was there to do what he thought was the right thing and to have a bit of fun at the same time. This he achieved but unfortunately didn't make it home.

I'll have a beer and tell a few jokes for my Uncle Bill, my other uncles, my grandfather and my father on ANZAC day rather than be forbidden from wearing their medals publicly and lectured by some loud mouthed pompous lunatic with tear jerker military music being played in the background.

[glen boulton]

sorry guys, i'm one of those workers who in the past has had to work a sunday just so i can have the monday off so i can go to the dawn service and spend the morning at the local RSL. i have my 2 beers a sit down brecky, and have a couple of yarns with all walks of life. i then go home by 10am (i am not a gambler,but i have nothing against it) then i strike up my victor and quickly do the front lawn. then the kids and wife come with me and we go conoeing or bike rideing or bushwalking as a family. i would like to add at this point that i will be doing that again this year (at logan in Queensland, we travel to different places each year.) i dont need a public holiday gassetted to me by govenment to enjoy a day that these blokes just did their job for. and as a result of their hard work we in principal have what most consider a free country. i have no reletive that i know that went over and faught, i just think WOW!! WHAT AN EXTRODONARY JOB THEY DID. i wonder if anyone here knows about the renumeration that these guys and the spouses got for doing that job. i do know a little about it because at ANZAC breackfest i bother to go and chat with these guys and have done so since i was 18 . if anyone knew the true answer to this then i think they would be ashamed of themselves entering into an argument like this. i was very interrested to hear someone talk about rememberance day...you are so right that it saddened me to think it is so overlooked and at the age of 41 i have never looked at its meaning to be compared with anzac day....no i dont want a public holiday on that day... i just think it is sad how it doesn't seem as an important day to many. thank you for pointing this out i never thought i would learn more about my own spirtual belifes on a wood working forum. i'll step off my soap box and as i do let me tell you all something...this saturday i will bow my head and give thanks LEAST WE FORGET. then its family time.
glen boulton

[Lignin]

OK Cliff,Been there and done that too, and also had to provide after hours and emergency cover.(Until recently, a condition of my registration)
Amazing how many animals get crook after hours, and how much people resent being charged a premium for the service.
(Note I said "Charged"---my greatest occurrence of bad debtors was those who neede me out of hours!!)

[silentC]

i'm one of those workers who in the past has had to work a sunday just so i can have the monday off

i dont need a public holiday gassetted to me by govenment to enjoy a day

Sounds like you do, actually.

[Vernonv]

if anyone knew the true answer to this then i think they would be ashamed of themselves entering into an argument like this.
Hi Glen,
Do you know the true answer to your question? and if so, do you feel ashamed of yourself for entering this argument?

There seems to be a presumption/assertion that if you want a public holiday, you are somehow knowingly disrespecting the ANZACs??? I wonder how many of them (the ANZACs that is) would have said no to a public holiday. :?

[silentC]

That's what I mean about the emotive clap trap. It's an attempt to guilt you out of the viewpoint by suggesting that wanting or expecting a public holiday is some how offensive to the memory of the ANZACs. It's bollocks. What I don't understand is why. It makes no difference to how people will commemorate ANZAC day. As far as I'm concerned, this is an industrial relations issue plain and simple.

Maybe someone could explain why they think a public holiday would actually be detrimental? Help us understand your viewpoint logically instead of trying to make us feel ashamed.

[glen boulton]

you are prety hard core silent i'll give you that...but sadly i think you missed the point...both mine and the nature of the day...no i'm not going to hy-light anything you said.... just be thankfull that we didn't end up with a majority red flag...the point i was making is it makes no differance to me as it is celibrated on the day it falls..except the day we go to church...and as i'm not religious if we did it on sunday and didn't have monday off...then i would be ok with that too. i can appretiate the fact that you as an employee want a day off paid by your employer. i just wish the gassetted pubic holidays forced on us by government were paid by government so the employer doesnt have to increse his hourly rate to cater for public holidays, parternal days, sick days, anual leave days, carerer days, my granmother is sick day, the neibours dog attacked our cat last night days, i have to register my car days, i think i have food poisioning days, the party or concert was so big last night that if i did come in i would be hopless at work so i'm doing you a favour days, belive me i can go on for hours on this subject as i have had over 15 employees for the last 10 years... all this is not the argument i gladly gave all my guys and girls a day off whenever and this caused a few heated arguments with my construction manager and i. the problem is tring to remain competitive in the market... i know for a fact that a few of my guys have said that they wished that they had gone to work instead after pulling a stunt. and later reilising that we have lost a contract because of our hourly rate was not able to be competitive. every thing we do effects our hourly rate and this is why the employer is in that office for 85 plus hours a week. he is tring to make ends meet and keep guys employed. you will just have to take my word for it...its not as easy as it looks being the boss. let me tell you when it all goes bad.....the worst that will happen to you is you loose your job..i wish i could say the same.. so yes i'm not against them, i just wish i didn't have to fund them. and i am not going to lobby for more of them. my personal opinion is i belive we have more than our fair share of them. i understand you persepective absolutly "you feel let down by nsw government that we didnt get a holiday paid by your employer" and that is a terrible shame. the last thing we need is anyone feeling bad about not getting a day off. i will just go with the discion of the day on this one though. i wonder if you can see a little of my side. do your self a favour go to dawn service and then go to the rsl... take a look from the outside of the box.. its a shame you missed the opertunity to ask those questions i mentioned. they got not on minute off in any campain. this is somthing we here (thankfully) will never be able to compehend...not even a little. a baby criing in the doctors waiting room anoyes me. god can you even think what the screams would be like in those close quarters of a trench... and to think the government asked you to work a monday THOSE SADISTIC MONGRELS i going to have to stop now . i think i jumped on the meat ants nest enough. i hope everyone enjoys their family time on anzac day weather your an employee or an employer i think the world of both of these worlds
glen boulton

[44Ronin]

the worst that will happen to you is you loose your job.

and you find out that the employer doesn't pay your last paycheck, and loadings.......and then also find out that the employer never paid your taxes......and then the tax office gets up you....:roll:

and this is not just small dodgy business owners, this is big business as well. it happens more often than you think.

[silentC]

Without reading it all, as it's a bit hard without any line breaks I think I get the gist of your post and you're still labouring under the misapprehension that my viewpoint on the public holiday some how makes me incapable of appreciating the day for what it is. For some reason, I am able to separate the two issues in my head, not sure why, must be just the way the old noodle works.

Your argument seems to be that public holidays in general are an issue for employers. So it goes well beyond this one day in one year out of many. Doesn't seem to relate to the current debate to me, as it's a general rant about public holidays and leave in general.

PS not sure what you mean by 'hard core'. Not a phrase I would use to describe myself in any case.

[glen boulton]

vernonv hi
yes i do is the answer. i do feel ashamed that i have to spell these sorts of thing to people.
and yes it is an industrial relations issue and i think the very first question asked to start this was and industrial relations question as well as a heart felt question. so the first reply was a heart felt answer and the second one was a industrial relations answer... i tring t keep a balance.
and no i dont think that this discusion it belittleing anzac. i think we all overwelming agree on that. the discusion's initital question was based around anzac day that why it is in the discusion and yes we we could go to that trench in its day and ask for a day off on the 27th of april 2009 in respect to you guys ...i bet they would have said yes....but if you could ask them did you want to have the day off tommorrow and we will organise a game of cricket and rugby on the beach with the turks. i bet they would say yes as well. so their opinion is more of an emontional argument then an actual fact.. and no i think its great to have a public holiday on the day. thats an easy answer.
i hope this helps you understand just one point of opinoin. and i am very aware that it is not the majority. we are lucky to have a majority rules system in australia. (well we try to be like that anyway...we just have to ask if its ok with the president of the united stats first) ha ha
glen boulton

[glen boulton]

hi silent
i glad we do agree in basis and yes you have got it in one thank you for understanding. i will try to seperate my long winded and antagonising detail answers in future. i agree it is a jumble of words when all together. please i would never take away from anyone about their belifs and if i have done so i appoligise. you are very patriotic why else would you be here now. and i would stand beside you on saturday.

hey ronin
yes that is true... and some people plan it that way too.. thankfully not all go that way... but if a buisness goes broke then that means they have no money left. and some of those guys may loose a weeks pay and some super... but once an administrator comes in the tax is not an issue to the employee and the first thing thats is paid out to the wash up is wages to employees then their super. then it go to personal garentees the company has eg. bunnings accounts, boral etc. the bank overdraft goes onto the employer direct and not the company. the tax is the last on the list depending on the situation. and depends on if the administrator is appointed or if you have called in an administrator. ther is a world of differance their alone. there are exception of course but basicly thats how it goes. this has nothing to do with anzac day or public holidays though.

sorry about the hard core shot
glen boulton
glen boulton

[Vernonv]

Glen,
With all due respect, your posts seem to be so full of ramblings, contradictions and convolutions it's hard to make any sense out of them and I'm not sure it's worth the time or effort to unravel them.:no:
You're not related to Joh Bjelke-Petersen are you?

[glen boulton]

well i am a quenslander and i was once polictly motivated. and yes i ramble. contradiction ??? i just have opinion which im sure differs to others. convolutions??? well put it this way i do give complex answers when asked complex questions but to wite it all down would be hard for me a few beers and bottle of krinklewood red sitting on the verandah face to face i'm sure it would be easier to follow. i apoligise for the confusion i have caused you.
to simlify the answer

1.i agree with public holidays on the day their due

2. i belive everybody is pationate about anzac day for their own reasons

3.i wish there was some sort of government assistance so employers could help make their buisness afordable to the public.

these answers are very general though.
hope this helps
glen boulton

[Bleedin Thumb]

Heres my take on it.
Anzac Day is a bit of a joke because it celebrates what was basically a tactical blunder that cost about 8000 Aust & NZ troops lives for purely political reasons. It also belittles all of the other battles of the western front where we came of age as a nation and heralded the start of a proud tradition of our troops....as Ronin? says remembrance day would be far more worthy.
The only reason that it is celebrated is that it was our first major military encounter as a new nation, pity it was such a flop.

But its a public holiday so call it what you want.

I've been self employed for 25 years so I don't give a toss about public holidays anyway, but I agree it is an industrial relations issue. The reason for the public holiday is no longer any more important than say than the queens birthday.

Its a right of every worker to have it and people should never surrender their rights without a fight....... one of the motivating factors that mobilised so many of our troops I would have thought.

[Big Shed]

Glen, doesn't your keyboard have a Shift key?????

[glen boulton]

yes it does but the opperator has trouble using it...its a modern email world thing... new corperate look.. every thing is done in lower case...not everbody likes it. even buisness cards come out with lower case on names addresses and headings.. its probably a sydney thing. and i'm sure it wil b only a fad that will pass.
i'm just in the habit now days. no offence is ment by it.
gleN boultoN

[Big Shed]

Thank you Glen, I take it the word "modern" in this context is meant (sp) to convey that it is "good" or "cool".

If that is the case, let me give you my opinion of the "modern look", it looks like cr*p.

No offence meant by that either.:cool:

[silentC]

i'm sure it wil b only a fad that will pass
It did :D

Sorry mate, I shouldn't have said anything, I just find it hard to read when it's all in one big paragraph with no capitals. Our brains process the information more easily if there's lot's of white space. On computer monitors, we need even more of it than on paper apparently. You're not the only one guilty of it and I've had to come back and put line breaks in my own posts on occasion after reading them back. I find myself just skimming posts like that and I often miss important details.

[Big Shed]

I find myself just skimming posts like that and I often miss important details.

Don't worry silentC, you didn't miss any in this thread:doh:

[Cliff Rogers]

Don't worry silentC, you didn't miss any in this thread:doh:
That is because I used line breaks, capitals, punctuation, correct spelling & good grammar. :D

[glen boulton]

i understand guys and i will take it on board. it is lasiness that makes me do this and also in the arena i play, this is common ground. dont forget that the new building erea that we have entered into in the last 5 or so years has made the modern builder far more leagaly compliant. the building of a project of any size is 15% building 40% safety and the rest is paperwork. long are the days gone of that handshake and pat on the back. nowdays in buisness its who can pull the bigger shots with the better paperwork.
just a short exsample is one contract submitted last year was for a job worth 175,000 and in note form it was submitted in approx 145 page document. once the job was won a further 550 page document was submitted to comply. that is before we even get on site. then folows all the SWMS (safe work method statements) one for each seperate opperation. MSDS(material safty data sheets) for every thing you will use on site.
we had at a mirvac job and a saftey officer ask for a SWMS and a MSDS on our carpenter pencils as they contain lead and they were a hazzardards material. so we had a designated rubbish bin lined with hazard material labeled plastic bags removed daily from site. it was absured.
so now days it is just habit to me.
anyone who has spent their life in the building industry and has got out of it over the last 5 or so years would be amazed at what happens now. mind you i am talking about large contracts probably 70% of our work.
i will try to improve...i promise...but dont hold your breath. as i'm ok with it.
yes there i go again another ramble and detailed answer..which includes more industrial relation problems with the modern company runnings.
as for my spelling i left school in year 8 to get work. being in trade background i can hide behind a hammer and auto spell check. i can say that i'm not perfect..and i'm ok with that.
were we talking about anzac day?????
glEn boultOn

[Big Shed]

Glen, I'm not a purfect speller either, but I actually use my spell checker (it is the modern way, don't you know:2tsup::rolleyes:)

(and yes, the spell checker underlined purfect in red, it does work)

All digs aside, your way of writing is a turn-off for most people, so if you want to communicate and get your message across, that's not the way to go about it.

[glen boulton]

i haven't got this spell check to work yet...i down loaded it but still no evail.. maybe a restart will put it in its place. not that it worries me too much as this isn't going to go to court. i am tring to keep up with technoligy but the base line is i'm still a carpenter/joiner......and proud of it.
all you old blokes will know what i'm talking about. its just when i go to the timber yard and aks for a 90 x45 10 @ 8 ft i alays get that blank dumb look....some habits die hard.
P.S. i am typing slowly so you can keep up.....
gLen bOulton

[silentC]

I usually ask for 2x4 10 @ 2.4 :D

[glen boulton]

clearly i'm not alone...thank god
glEn boulTon

[ian]

That's what I mean about the emotive clap trap. It's an attempt to guilt you out of the viewpoint by suggesting that wanting or expecting a public holiday is some how offensive to the memory of the ANZACs. It's bollocks. What I don't understand is why. It makes no difference to how people will commemorate ANZAC day. As far as I'm concerned, this is an industrial relations issue plain and simple.

Maybe someone could explain why they think a public holiday would actually be detrimental? Help us understand your viewpoint logically instead of trying to make us feel ashamed.Silent

are you a school teacher?

I ask because the incompetant (insert suitable expletive) who run the department decided 3 or 4 years ago that because ANZAC day fell on a Saturday this year the following Monday would be a public holiday -- so as gazetted Term 2 this year starts on Tuesday April 28 which at my local school is a pupil free day so in effect the kids don't go back till Wednesday — I'm waiting to see what speed the school zone speed cameras ping people for next Monday.
I'll add that the current crop of incompetants are likely no worse than the last lot who, when introducing the current 4 term year, confidently stated that Easter would always fall within the school holiday period – wrong !! as anyone with a little understanding of simple maths and a reasonable degree of general knowledge could have can worked out.


but back to your question ...

for me ANZAC day is Australia's only true national day. It represents the first time Australians as a nation did anything significant on the world stage and it carries no overtones of racial discrimination or oppression — which some groups attach to Australia day nor is the significance duplicated or replicated in individual states on different dates. (see below)
As such it should be celebrated on the actual day, not the nearest convient Monday.
I remember the time when the country effectively stopped to remember, to reflect, to recommitt itself to the ideals that the ANZACS fought for.
and I regret that for too many the day has become just another opportunity to make money from the "mug punter" — the group I'm most dark about is corporate sport (NRL, AFL, etc.) who justify games on ANZAC day by donating the paltry gate receipts to the RSL (or another charity) while all the while they are rolling in the revenue from corporate advertising and media rights.

So the public holiday should be the day (Saturday this year) and any retailing should be restricted to the afternoon or (my preference) banned altogether. So no substitute day.
Only when ANZAC day falls on a Sunday do we as a predominately Christian culture have a conflict. Then it is appropriate to reserve Sunday for church and to commenorate ANZAC day on Monday.



The whole country might get a day off for Australia day – which historically was celebrated on the last or penultimate weekend in January and in NSW at least marked the end of the Summer School Holidays.
But if you live in SA, ACT, WA, (and for all I know Vic, Qld, NT and Tassie) you get a local "first settlement day" holiday as well.
And for some, 26 Jan represents Invasion Day — not something they want to celebrate.



ian

[ian]

we had at a mirvac job and a saftey officer ask for a SWMS and a MSDS on our carpenter pencils as they contain lead and they were a hazzardards material. so we had a designated rubbish bin lined with hazard material labeled plastic bags removed daily from site. it was absured.
so now days it is just habit to me.and you fell for this crap?

as far as I know, if lead pencils ever contained lead it was before about 1750!

since then "lead" pencils only contained graphite (= pure carbon) and more recently a carbon based polymer



ian

[glen boulton]

hey ian
good pick up... and here is a linck to the one we tried to submit
http://www.irwin.com/irwin/resources/msds_Carpenter_Pencil.pdf

but it was not accepted and the saftey officer on site sets the rules. so for the sake of working and not "going there" with an ex BLF organiser. we just did what he asked. after all it is no skin off our nose and we had stated in our contract that any special conditions forced by "on site requirements" will be charged out as an extra to the contract.
so we did what he said and we charged accoringly. both sides happy...it was just alot of faxes , emails, phone calls and lost time in our office.
so yes we conceded to this crap
but no we didn't fall for it... we tried to fight first...
glen boulton

[Lignin]

Ian,
As a teacher, please write out 100 times,
IncompetEnt.(Once is a typo, twice, an error!!):doh::doh:
Sorry to be pedantic, but this thread is so far off topic, I couldn't help myself.:C:C

[silentC]

As such it should be celebrated on the actual day, not the nearest convient Monday. The last time it fell on a Sunday was 1976, so I can't remember what happened then, but according to the Council for the Australian Federation:


One of the issues addressed by CAF was ANZAC Day. ANZAC Day is recognised nationally on 25 April each year as an occasion of national commemoration. All States and Territories have legislation that prescribes ANZAC Day as a public holiday. While ANZAC Day is always commemorated on 25 April, there are varied legislative approaches to whether the public holiday is observed on the following Monday (i.e. a long weekend) when ANZAC Day falls on a Sunday.I think the day itself should always be commemorated on the 25th, even when it falls on a Sunday. The church thing doesn't wash for me. I'm fairly certain that next year it will be commemorated on the Sunday with the public holiday on the Monday. I don't really see the difference in the circumstances of it falling on a Saturday, but then I'm not a Christian.

I'm simply talking about whether workers should get a substitute public holiday to compensate for the fact that a gazetted public holiday falls on a weekend. I still fail to see how that detracts from the commemoration itself.

Do you think pubs and clubs should be closed all day too? They make a lot of money from mug punters on ANZAC day. Someone has to staff them. Seems a bit hypocritical to tell retailers they have to close their doors but allow pubs and clubs to stay open. What about cab drivers and public transport? Are they allowed to make money on the day?

I think it should be a decision for the business itself whether to stay open or not. Staff should be paid public holiday rates.

[Christopha]

Emotive claptrap, Doorstop. Why doesn't it surprise me that you would go off half-cocked?

So you'll be going to work on Monday the 26th next year will you?

Wood Boner has hit the nail on the head.

Half cocked? I'll have you know it is complete!

Oh, and YES, I probably will be working on the 26th next year. Unlike some here I have to work for a living. I am self employed, I am my only employee and if I don't work I don't get paid, holiday or no holiday.
I can't see why people expect to be paid for doing F@#$ all. If you want a day off for then fine, take the day off but just don't expect to be paid for work you didn't do. That's dishonest isn't it? Sort of like theft?
Stuff it. Now I'm late for work.....
Bye!

[ian]

Lignin
I know I can't spell and I have a certificate to prove it
but because you asked nicely ...
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ian

[silentC]

I can't see why people expect to be paid for doing F@#$ all.
You reckon they don't factor public holidays in to pay rates like they do with every other type of leave? Salary = Daily rate * (365 - weekends - public holidays - annual leave - sick leave). I'm the one who is being ripped off!

[ian]

The last time it fell on a Sunday was 1976, so I can't remember what happened then, in 1976, If I recall correctly...

• I was in 3rd year at uni and living in Sydney
• there was no general Sunday trading — city pubs were closed and if a country pub was open you had to "prove" you were a traveller to gain admittance
• most shops and garages were closed on Sunday – if you hadn't bought it (including petrol) on Saturday, then you had to wait till Monday to get it
• in Sydney there were only 2 or 3 "shopping malls" (Roselands and Myer at Burwood are the two I recall) and these were closed
• 25 April 1976 was only a few months after the "dismissal" of Whitlam and the election of Fraser
• ANZAC day was a very quite day


I'm simply talking about whether workers should get a substitute public holiday to compensate for the fact that a gazetted public holiday falls on a weekend. is this the nub?
a sense of withdrawn entitlement because this year Saturday is the gazetted holiday?

so my question to you Silent is this ...

do you consider Public Holidays a right or a privilage ?

for me ...
we live in a notionally christian society so we get the major christian celebrations as holidays
if our society wasn't notionally christian we shouldn't expect to get these days




ian

[Big Shed]

You reckon they don't factor public holidays in to pay rates like they do with every other type of leave? Salary = Daily rate * (365 - weekends - public holidays - annual leave - sick leave). I'm the one who is being ripped off!

But "entitlements" work both ways, don't they?

Just as you are "entitled" to have your public holiday, so is your boss "entitled" to get the number of hours of work he pays you for every single working day.

Can you say with your hand on your heart that he does indeed get his "entitlement"?

[silentC]

is this the nub?
a sense of withdrawn entitlement because this year Saturday is the gazetted holiday?
That is exactly it and I thought I expressed that on page one of this thread: "The boss is getting an extra day for free out of me this year."


do you consider Public Holidays a right or a privilage ?
I consider them a right. They are engraved in legislation - my employer must give me the day off with full pay if they fall on a day I would normally work. Thus they are factored into my salary just like all other forms of leave.

The actual reason for the holiday is a separate issue. I don't celebrate Easter (other than eating too much chocolate) but the Bank Holidays act says that I get the Friday and Monday off with full pay. Same with Christmas, Boxing Day, Labor Day, Queens Birthday etc.

I'm aware there is an element of hypocrisy associated with taking these days even though I don't observe the traditions, however, under my award I am entitled to them, why shouldn't I take them?

If the government decides to abolish public holidays, I'll be fine with that, as long as the extra working days are reflected in my salary. Fair is fair.

[silentC]

Can you say with your hand on your heart that he does indeed get his "entitlement"?
Some days they get 6 hours, some days 8, some days 10. Swings and roundabouts. If they are unhappy with my output, they have recourse. Yes I spend too much time here arguing with you good people :)

My issue is not with them, they are very good employers and give me everything they are required to and more. Actually I don't really have an issue, I'm not losing sleep over it. I was asked indirectly for my opinion and I have given it :)

[Big Shed]

Just as some years Anzac Day falls on a Friday and some years on a Saturday.

Swings and roundabouts.

[silentC]

Which is why I'm not losing any sleep over it. But when have you ever known me not to have an opinion on something?

[BobL]

Public holidays are a bit of non-event for a lot of people. Like a lot of people I have a job to do - over the cycle of of a year none of my work disappears just because there is an extra public holiday. A few years back we traded 3 public holidays during the year in exchange for an extra weeks annual holiday. This was also a bit of a joke. Nobody suggested there would be any less work to do, same jobs (no, wait - there have been more jobs since then) same deadlines (no, wait - some deadlines were shortened).

[silentC]

Yeah I guess it depends on your circumstances. When I was a 7 day shift worker, all a public holiday meant was that if you were lucky enough to be rostered on, you got double time plus an accrued day in lieu (you've got to love unions). During that time I worked on just about every public holiday including Christmas day and New years day. I remember watching the veterans walking down to George street from Museum station one year from the 7th floor at L&C streets.

Since I've been a Monday to Friday worker, I've been able to have every public holiday off, except maybe once or twice. That's since 1991, so not bad. Generally speaking, there's nothing I'm working on today that can't wait until tomorrow. I can't be the only one in that situation.

[Vernonv]

Public holidays are a bit of non-event for a lot of people. ... but certainly not most people.

I can understand that employers, the self employed and shift workers probably see public holidays as either a non-event, or as a financial burden. But certainly these people are what they are by choice and as such should be well aware of what they have got themselves in for.

If an employer doesn't like it ... sell up and retire. If the self employed don't like it ... work for someone else. If the shift workers don't like it ... get a non-shift work job.

[ian]

That is exactly it
a sense of withdrawn entitlement because this year Saturday is the gazetted holiday? and I thought I expressed that on page one of this thread: "The boss is getting an extra day for free out of me this year."

I consider [public holidays] a right. They are engraved in legislation - my employer must give me the day off with full pay if they fall on a day I would normally work. Thus they are factored into my salary just like all other forms of leave. whilst I generally agree with you, for me ANZAC day is different (special if you like) — as I said earlier it's Australia's one true national day

It should be celebrated on the actual day not the nearest convient Monday

for the rest, if believe that there is some evidence that countries with about 10 public holidays spread throughout the year are more productive than countries with no public holidays or where the public holidays are concentrated at particular times of the year — an example of the latter was Golden Week in Japan where 3 public holidays used to fall in the same week



ian

[Vernonv]

It should be celebrated on the actual day not the nearest convient Monday But even by your own admission it isn't appropriate for ANZAC day to be held on a Sunday, because of church goers.
Now the majority of Australians DON'T go to church on Sundays (or at all), so why should we pander to a minority?
I don't think we should, but on the other hand I would bet (and this poll's results tend to back me up) that the majority of Australians do want the public holiday on a "working day". Lets go for what the majority want rather than pandering to a minority.:2tsup:

[44Ronin]

You reckon they don't factor public holidays in to pay rates like they do with every other type of leave? Salary = Daily rate * (365 - weekends - public holidays - annual leave - sick leave). I'm the one who is being ripped off!

Thats the price of private enterprise.

[silentC]

I'm not sure what you mean by that, but in case you've misunderstood me, what I'm saying is that when an annual salary like mine is determined, leave is factored in to it. All things being equal, my employer would hope to cover my salary + expenses + profit from the work I do. If we have one less public holiday in a year, he gets an extra day for free. It's in his favour, not mine. Last year was a leap year, so that's two years in a row now. :)

[Spanner69]

I really dont care if we have a holiday or not. I like the fact that we are able to celebrate and remember the reasons for and against a conflict.

What gives me the irits is that some states give the "extra" days holiday iof Anzac day falls on the weekend and QLD does not.

What I want is uniform holiday rules just like we are supposed to have uniform road rule etc etc.

[Luddite]

I am SO glad that I don't employ anybody any more. :2tsup:[/quote]

Cliff,

Its not so much a problem employing people......it's a problem employing knuckle heads. As is always the way, those who have the least to say always say the most. As is evidenced on this thread.

Kick back and enjoy not employing knukle heads!!!

Cheers,

Anthony

[weisyboy]

wow...

what i thik should happen on anzac day is no trading.

like it used to be.

small corner stores could open untill 10 am so people could get there paper. but other than that nothing was open.

pubs should be shut but clubs open (rsl obviously).

no sport except two up.:2tsup: