Sheriff joe is at it again!

[Barry_White]

I don't know if this is true or not.


You all remember Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona , who painted the jail cells pink and made the inmates wear pink prison garb. Well.........

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SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN!

Oh, there's MUCH more to know about Sheriff Joe!

Maricopa County was spending approx. $18 million dollars a year on stray animals, like cats and dogs. Sheriff Joe offered to take the department over, and the County Supervisors said okay.

The animal shelters are now all staffed and operated by prisoners. They feed and care for the strays. Every animal in his care is taken out and walked twice daily. He now has prisoners who are experts in animal nutrition and behavior. They give great classes for anyone who'd like to adopt an animal. He has literally taken stray dogs off the street, given them to the care of prisoners, and had them place in dog shows.

The best part? His budget for the entire department is now under $3 million. Teresa and I adopted a Weimaraner from a Maricopa County shelter two years ago. He was neutered, and current on all shots, in great health, and even had a microchip inserted the day we got him. Cost us $78.

The prisoners get the benefit of about $0.28 an hour for working, but most would work for free, just to be out of their cells for the day. Most of his budget is for utilities, building maintenance, etc. He pays the prisoners out of the fees collected for adopted animals.

I have long wondered when the rest of the country would take a look at the way he runs the jail system, and copy some of his ideas. He has a huge farm, donated to the county years ago, where inmates can work, and they grow most of their own fresh vegetables and food, doing all the work and harvesting by hand.

He has a pretty good sized pig farm, which provides meat, and fertilizer. It fertilizes the Christmas tree nursery, where prisoners work, and you can buy a living Christmas tree for $6 - $8 , and plant it later. We have six trees in our yard from the Prison.

Yup, he was reelected last year with 83% of the vote.
Now he's in trouble with the ACLU again. He painted all his buses and vehicles with a mural, that has a special hotline phone number painted on it, where you can call and report suspected illegal aliens. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement wasn't doing enough in his eyes, so he had 40 deputies trained specifically for enforcing immigration laws, started up his hotline, and bought 4 new buses just for hauling folks back to the border. He's kind of a 'Git-R Dun' kind of Sheriff.

TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO

HE IS THE MARICOPA ARIZONA COUNTY SHERIFF

AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER
THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY:

Sheriff Joe Arpaio (In Arizona ) is the man who created the ' Tent City Jail':
He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails. Took away their weights Cut off all but 'G' movies.

He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects.

Then He Started Chain Gangs For Women
So He Wouldn't Get Sued For Discrimination.

He took away cable TV Until he found out there was A Federal Court Order that Required Cable TV For Jails So He Hooked Up The Cable TV Again Only Let In The Disney Channel And The Weather Channel.

When asked why the weather channel He Replied, So They Will Know How Hot It's Gonna Be While They Are Working
ON My Chain Gangs.

He Cut Off Coffee Since It Has Zero Nutritional Value.

When the inmates complained, he told them, 'This Isn't The Ritz/Carlton.......If You Don't Like It, Don't Come Back.'


More On The Arizona Sheriff:

With Temperatures Being Even Hotter Than Usual In Phoenix (116 Degrees Just Set A New Record), the Associated Press Reports:
About 2,000 Inmates Living In A Barbed-Wire-Surrounded Tent Encampment At The Maricopa County Jail Have Been Given Permission To Strip Down To Their Government-Issued Pink Boxer Shorts.

On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached
138 Degrees Inside The Week Before.

Many Were Also Swathed In Wet, Pink Towels As Sweat Collected On Their Chests And Dripped Down To Their PINK SOCKS.

'It Feels Like We Are In A Furnace,' Said James Zanzot, An Inmate Who Has Lived In The TENTS for 1 year. 'It's Inhumane.'

Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: 'It's 120 Degrees In Iraq And Our Soldiers Are Living In Tents Too, And They Have To Wear Full Battle Gear,
But They Didn't Commit Any Crimes, So Shut Your Mouths!'

Way To Go, Sheriff!

Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for their parole, only to go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.

If you agree, pass this on. If not, just delete it.

[Honorary Bloke]

Oh it's all true and then some. :D Before we moved from Phoenix, we were acquainted socially with Joe and Ava (his wife). A very nice couple.

Joe keeps the stray animals in an air-conditioned part of the jail because they didn't commit any crimes and should be comfortable. :2tsup:

[Bluegum]

This man knows what he is talking about and doing. Way to go Sheriff Joe as its about time someone stood up and showed the world what needs to be done to Quell the crims a lesson.:2tsup:

[astrid]

He sounds like he's the makings of an excellant dictator.
Robert Mugabe started out as a good guy:cool:

Just a question, are his jails full of hard core crims or are the shoplifting illegal immigrants and single mums in there too, given that the states jail people for hijacking a piece of pizza I wonder if this guy is just a state pay rolled meglomaniac with a taste for self agrandisment among other things.

[Jack E]

He sounds like he's the makings of an excellant dictator.
Robert Mugabe started out as a good guy:cool:

Just a question, are his jails full of hard core crims or are the shoplifting illegal immigrants and single mums in there too, given that the states jail people for hijacking a piece of pizza I wonder if this guy is just a state pay rolled meglomaniac with a taste for self agrandisment among other things.
It doesn't matter why they are in there, they are in there for breaking the law and deserve the treatment they are getting.

He isn't mistreating them, just treating them as they should be treated.

[Master Splinter]

It doesn't matter why they are in there, they are in there for breaking the law and deserve the treatment they are getting.

He isn't mistreating them, just treating them as they should be treated.


We need that sort of treatment here - now if only there was some far-off country over the sea where we could send our criminals when they did something against the law - like, y'know if they stole a loaf of bread or something heinous (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convictism_in_Australia) like that!

[Jack E]

Well if you want to go back 200 years that is up to you.

I like our current situation of convicting criminals, just not our current system of punishment.

It is way too soft :((

[Honorary Bloke]

Just a question, are his jails full of hard core crims or are the shoplifting illegal immigrants and single mums in there too, given that the states jail people for hijacking a piece of pizza I wonder if this guy is just a state pay rolled meglomaniac with a taste for self agrandisment among other things.

Leaving aside the problematic possibility of hijacking a slice of pizza ("Oi, you, pizza slice, take me to Cuba." :rolleyes:) here is the short version.

In Arizona (and most states) local gaols are for short-term incarceration (up to one year) only. Longer-term care is provided in prisons designed for the purpose. So, the gaol population is a mix of felons awaiting transfer to prison, 30-day booze bus losers, pickpockets, purse-snatchers, and the odd wife-beater.

The women are segregated and, never fear, there is no discrimination between single mums and married ones.

The sheriff is an elected official, so the people put him in office. They must like some at least of his actions. :)

[corbs]

If what I have read about this guy he gets a big thumbs up from me:2tsup: (make that two)

I know its not prison talk but back in the day in the Navy our bases looked beautiful and neat. We used to be able to use the junior sailors who didn't have any work on to go out and paint the gutters (red where you can't park & white where you can), rocks in the gardens, polish brass plates... We don't do any of that now as its all contracted out to civvies, this would be nice if the work still happened but it doesn't. So the bases look messy and we can't use our troops to do basic maintenance as it is taking jobs away from contractors who don't do the work anyway. Would love to have a Sherrif Joe up in the top of my food chain.

[Jack E]

I was in the Army and remember the good old days too.

I remember one day as guard commander I had 3 guys who had been charged and were on "restriction of priveledges".
I had a fork lift licence and the RSM (big boss) had asked me to move a pallet of bricks about 100m so that some contracted bricklayers could use them the next day.

I thought, why us the forklift when I have 3 guys here who are supposed to be punished.

They moved the bricks by hand and stacked them neatly, exactly where I had told them.
Of course, the bricks were no longer on the pallet so they had to move the whole lot, put the pallet down and restack them.
In effect they moved a pallet of bricks 3 times.

The best part was that I told a mate of mine what I had done.
He was guard commander the next night and was supervising the same 3 guys.
The brickies hadn't used the bricks yet so he made the guys put the bricks back.

They must have hated bricks by the end of that :D

Do the Navy still have that silly rule where if you walk on the grass they think you are in the water and conduct a man overboard drill?

[corbs]

...Do the Navy still have that silly rule where if you walk on the grass they think you are in the water and conduct a man overboard drill?

Exists but not enforced, I seriously doubt that most of the kids floating around now would even know what you were talking about.

[Jack E]

I used to play Army Rugby and remember one time we went to Cerberus for a comp.

One of our guys walked across the grass and about 10 Navy guys ran out and "rescued" him.

He didn't like this so came and got the rest of the team. All of us, about 25 people then went and stood on the grass.

Funnily enough no one was game enough to rescue us :D

[AlexS]

I was in the Army and remember the good old days too.

I remember one day as guard commander I had 3 guys who had been charged and were on "restriction of priveledges".
I had a fork lift licence and the RSM (big boss) had asked me to move a pallet of bricks about 100m so that some contracted bricklayers could use them the next day.

I thought, why us the forklift when I have 3 guys here who are supposed to be punished.

They moved the bricks by hand and stacked them neatly, exactly where I had told them.
Of course, the bricks were no longer on the pallet so they had to move the whole lot, put the pallet down and restack them.
In effect they moved a pallet of bricks 3 times.

The best part was that I told a mate of mine what I had done.
He was guard commander the next night and was supervising the same 3 guys.
The brickies hadn't used the bricks yet so he made the guys put the bricks back.

They must have hated bricks by the end of that :D


Jack, you weren't at ECPD (South Head, Sydney) in 1967 were you?
If so, I remember you.:D
I hate bricks.

[petersemple]

Jack, you weren't at ECPD (South Head, Sydney) in 1967 were you?
If so, I remember you.:D
I hate bricks.

If the age on his profile is correct (33) then it's not likely he was in Sydney in 67.:D

Peter

[Jack E]

I wasn't even a glint in my old mans eye in 1967 :D

I only used the bricks as a punishment because I had similar myself early on in my military career.

Lets just say I hate mop buckets and 3 flights of stairs, it's a Kapooka thing :)

[astrid]

Pity you public servants havent something better to do with your time:cool:

[Jack E]

It's all part of the training, spirit, team work, esprit de corps, etc.

It is essential to the job when the job relies so heavily on working as a group.

You can't lump the Defence Force as public service and you can't compare it to any other job.

It's something you have to experience to understand.

[astrid]

What a lot of crap:rolleyes:,
How long did you serve and at what rank?
In my time with the defence force, I discovered their were two types of officers, sensible intelegent men and women and overgrown private school boys playing biggles.
The former usually had long careers, the latter usually discovered they werent required officer material pretty quickly.
They often ended up working in the penal system:rolleyes:

here read this lot, the man is a criminal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio

[corbs]

Astrid,
I have served 15 years in the Navy in June this year. I am currently a Petty Officer which is a Sergeant equivalent. In my experience there are also good and bad Officers, however the vast majority of the Defence Force are not Officers (I am not an Officer and have no intention of becoming one). If your dealings have only been with Officers then you have not experienced the Defence Force at all. Both good and bad move up the food chain.

I might ask of your experience in the Defence Force? Were you ever a serving member or just an onlooker? I agree with Jack, members of the Defence Force are not public servants either.

I have read through the wikipedia link and although there are some issues which don't play out very well, I don't see how he could warrant being referred to as a criminal.


Corbs

[watson]

Astrid,
Cool it with the belligerence.

Watson (Major Retired)
Administrator

[Jack E]

What a lot of crap:rolleyes:,
How long did you serve and at what rank?
In my time with the defence force, I discovered their were two types of officers, sensible intelegent men and women and overgrown private school boys playing biggles.
The former usually had long careers, the latter usually discovered they werent required officer material pretty quickly.
They often ended up working in the penal system:rolleyes:

here read this lot, the man is a criminal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio
As far as I can gather you were a civillian working for the Defence Force.
If so you probably worked in an office and were surrounded by officers.
This alone would not give you a good picture.
The Army, which is the part I know about, only really operates when it is in the field. This is when the teamwork and esprit de corps come to the fore and is the part most civilians don't see, understand or appreciate.

There are two rank structures in the Army, the officer stream and the enlisted stream.
They are very different and each have their good and bad points.

Either way, as you said above, the overgrown private school boys playing Biggles didn't last long, at least you saw that.

I was a Corporal and served for 11 years, I was to be promoted to Sergeant on my next posting but discharged because I wanted a change.
I went on operations three times, I have received the Australian Active Service Medal, The Australian Service Medal and the UN Medal.

[AlexS]

I wasn't even a glint in my old mans eye in 1967 :D

I only used the bricks as a punishment because I had similar myself early on in my military career.

Lets just say I hate mop buckets and 3 flights of stairs, it's a Kapooka thing :)
The bricks at ECPD weren't there for punishment. ECPD was just a transit base (with million dollar views across the harbour). Lots of blokes just passing through for a few days, and not much real work. The bricks were just there to stop us slothing around, going down to Camp Cove, etc. They were probably there since the 1st fleet, and just got moved around when there weren't any rocks to paint.

I suspect Kapooka hasn't changed. Mate of mine is RSM there now. I'm sure the recruits reckon they're overworked, but they don't see the hours he puts in.

[astrid]

Astrid,
Cool it with the belligerence.

Watson (Major Retired)
Administrator
Who me? :D never
just a gentle poke
Watson my love, you know i call a spade a spade :D

[astrid]

yes i was a civillian, but worked with both officers, (including LT Col Ball, and Cosgrove) and lower ranks.

Always amused us how some of the captains would mind their manners when the senior ranks were around.

I have to add that as a leftie working with these blokes i learned a lot about the gentle manners and calm affiability desplayed by most in both catagories.

that said their were a few comlete w--kers

To return to topic:rolleyes: I think Sherrif Joe would be one.
he served 3 years, became a cop dadada.
just another jumped up nobody with a taste for bullying:D
this guy's out of control

[Honorary Bloke]

To return to topic:rolleyes: I think Sherrif Joe would be one.
he served 3 years, became a cop dadada.
just another jumped up nobody with a taste for bullying:D
this guy's out of control

With 25 years of Drug Enforcement Admin service, many of those undercover in the near east, I should think a "jumped up nobody" might be drawing a long bow. :wink:

[astrid]

So after reading the wiki thing, you recon this is a good bloke?
I liked the bit about refusing to open the books on the sale of the pink undies?
and what he's cost in lawsuits to the families of the people he murdered and crippled.

humiliation of prisoners for its own sake is barbaric and makes one wonder about his soundness of mind.
I have no problem with convicted criminals earning their keep but televising pre trial inmates?....Chain gangs, hot boxes, wet towels, rotting food.

guy should be sent to the gas chamber:D

[Honorary Bloke]

So after reading the wiki thing, you recon this is a good bloke?

No, after talking with him many times in a social setting and being around him and his wife, and understanding his position and his background and why he believes as he does, I reckoned he was a good bloke (who loved to get his name in the newspapers). :)

[fxst]

and wiki is a reputable source ...yeh right
Pete

[corbs]

So after reading the wiki thing, you recon this is a good bloke?
I liked the bit about refusing to open the books on the sale of the pink undies?
and what he's cost in lawsuits to the families of the people he murdered and crippled.

humiliation of prisoners for its own sake is barbaric and makes one wonder about his soundness of mind.
I have no problem with convicted criminals earning their keep but televising pre trial inmates?....Chain gangs, hot boxes, wet towels, rotting food.

guy should be sent to the gas chamber:D

I did say that on the whole I thought he looks like he has head screwed on right. The bit about refusing to open the books on the sale of pink undies isn't great but not a human rights violation. I think you might also be suprised if you looked at a lot of Australian prison's law suit histories, hospitals would also be a point of concern if this was your basis for his judgement. Have you ever worked in the tabloid media? The way you are putting the case looks very Today Tonight/A Current Affair.

If two wrongs don't make a right in your eyes then how can three? Surely sending him to the gas chamber for a wet towel isn't your solution:no:.

[astrid]

you ever worked in the tabloid media? The way you are putting the case looks very Today Tonight/A Current Affair.

Just the sort of media coverage he courts

If two wrongs don't make a right in your eyes then how can three? Surely sending him to the gas chamber for a wet towel isn't your solution:no:.

Note the grin:rolleyes: If he is in charge of the prison, he is reponsible for its policy and the manner in which his employees conduct themselves.
his employees have been caught on video breaking someones neck.
His employees have delayed treatment to a woman in advanced pregnancy, on the balance of probabilities causing the death of her child.
Wikipedia is a reputable source, as it is moderated and ammended by consensus.
He has cost the state millions in lost legal cases.
OK, be honest, would you like this guy to be running on of our low security prisons?

[Jack E]

OK, be honest, would you like this guy to be running on of our low security prisons?
Apart from pre-trial inmates, YES.

[pugwash]

Some of these policies sound like a good idea in the right situation. Sheriff Joe does sound like a typical redneck though.
So is sheriff Joe a good guy or a bad guy?
I suspect, as usual, the truth lies somewhere in between.

[corbs]

...OK, be honest, would you like this guy to be running on of our low security prisons?

Yes... thats me done going in circles, my view is known:wink:

[weisyboy]

most prisoners have a better life inside than they do outside.

they are in there to be punished.

[AlexS]

most prisoners have a better life inside than they do outside.

On what do you base this statement?