Painfully slow

[AlexS]

For the last couple of days, the WWF has been painfully slow when opening up a thread, sometimes even timing out. Has anyone else noticed this?

[Cliff Rogers]

This forum is OK, I've had problems with slowness on others though.

[Mulgabill]

Yup! Same as AlexS , as a matter of fact it appears to be this site only, and I'm logging out for the day! :(

[weisyboy]

yep it sure is.

i keep getting page can't be found then i refresh and it comes up really slowly.

[Big Shed]

As a matter of interest, which URL is giving you problems.

I'm logged in to www.woodworkforums.com (http://www.woodworkforums.com) and it is performing OK.

Edit:

Just tried

http://www.woodworkforums.com.au

and it is working OK too

will try the ubeaut URL

http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/

that is working OK too, maybe isolated to a particular ISP????

[weisyboy]

im on .com

and im with bigpond.

[chrisb691]

I'm on ubeaut.com.au, and am having no issues.

[Skew ChiDAMN!!]

I've noticed this with quite a few sites lately. And paying attention to the times these slowdowns happen, they don't always match the forums maintenance periods (as I know them) or brekky of those across the big pond or...

I believe that at least a portion of it's due to Minister Conroy. :~

http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/content/tv/senator-ludlam-questions-minister-conroy-internet-censorship

I've noticed that several sites I regularly access are either extremely slow or unavailable if I go through my usual ISP.

Yet tunneling through to those same sites via an overseas proxy - which was previously typically slower - gives me no problems whatsoever. The only practical difference I can see is that currently my local ISP goes through these mandatory government filters.

I'm really beginning to despise politicians. :~ (Well, more than before... in the past I might've pretended ignorance if they were bleeding to death in the gutter out front. Now I'd hire a street-sweeper. :p)

[ubeaut]

I see all 3 of you are using bigppond, may be a problem there. If you're using explorer try downloading and using Firefox.

I've had no problem either at the factory on slowish adsl, at home on cable, or on the mobile.

[mic-d]

I'm on Bigpond using Firefox and no problems here.

Cheers
Michael

[weisyboy]

im using google crome.

loading otehr sites tat normaly take a wile are ok but this one is slow.

im on adsl.

[steven]

I've noticed this with quite a few sites lately. And paying attention to the times these slowdowns happen, they don't always match the forums maintenance periods (as I know them) or brekky of those across the big pond or...

I believe that at least a portion of it's due to Minister Conroy. :~

http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/content/tv/senator-ludlam-questions-minister-conroy-internet-censorship

I've noticed that several sites I regularly access are either extremely slow or unavailable if I go through my usual ISP.

Yet tunneling through to those same sites via an overseas proxy - which was previously typically slower - gives me no problems whatsoever. The only practical difference I can see is that currently my local ISP goes through these mandatory government filters.

I'm really beginning to despise politicians. :~ (Well, more than before... in the past I might've pretended ignorance if they were bleeding to death in the gutter out front. Now I'd hire a street-sweeper. :p)

Interesting post. I use bigpond and have noticed some slowness, its across all sites not just this one. Its also been very minor, no errors or long wait times.

A few people who have complained also use bigpond in different states, I wonder if they're testing different filter software in different areas?

Do you know how you can test if your going through a filter?

regards

[Rattrap]

I'm on bigpond too & using firefox & i've noticed the page timeout problem for the last couple of days too

[Jim Carroll]

Glad its not only me

I am using our own server but using Windows internet explorer.

Had a winge to neil yesterday and it could be caused by the windows updates not beign compatable with the forum server.

We have had a few updates lately they come in overnight and I go to start up in the morning and get the message that your computor has been updated and restarted.

His suggestion was to change to firefox but as yet have not done that and in saying this it is running ok this morning on windows.

So whats the answer, I DONT KNOW.

2nt try well bugger me I open my mouth and now it does not want to play, may have to get the firefox going

3rd try I have learnt to copy and paste so I do not have to re write my replies

[Cliff Rogers]

I reckon it is some sort of routing thing, I'm on Westnet & I have no problem at all with WWF, however, for another forum that Alex & I are both members of, it is the other way around, he has no problems there but it is painfully slow for me.

[Barry_White]

I am using a satellite connection with Firefox using a company called Clearnetworks and apart from the normal satellite latency mine is firing along nicely. I have this program for which I paid for http://www.regcure.com/ and it does a scan and clean every so often which seems to speed things up a bit.

[Woodwould]

I'm with Optus and I have been getting regular pages cancelled for the past day or so, but only on this site. Everywhere else seems as normal.

[ajw]

I'm having the same problem. Realllllly slow, or page-not-found/timeout error. Only happening on this site. I'm using ubeaut.com.au, and I'm with TPG on ADSL2+

Allan

[Ian Smith]

Yep - giving me the Tom Tits - been like it for the past 48 hrs or so---- Vista Sp1, Optus, Firefox.
Another thing I've noticed, but can't really define is the apparent disappearance of the thread I have just viewed from the "New Posts" and prior posts. As I said, I can't be specific but there's something amiss

Ian

[DJ’s Timber]

Another thing I've noticed, but can't really define is the apparent disappearance of the thread I have just viewed from the "New Posts" and prior posts. As I said, I can't be specific but there's something amiss

Ian

This (http://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=76239) should hopefully explain the disappearing posts :;

[Ian Smith]

Thanks DJ - so you really are watching :U
I missed that post about the forum change


Ian

[Mulgabill]

See my post of yesterday!
This site is still really slow when loading pages after initial login. Frequently receiving Error message "Network Time Out - Server at www.wodworkforums.com is taking too long to respond.":no:
I'm on Bigpond, Windows XP (with all SP's), & Firefox 3.0.4. All other sites appear OK!

[mongrell]

yup slow as a wet week here too

[steven]

Error message "Network Time Out - Server at www.wodworkforums.com (http://www.wodworkforums.com) is taking too long to respond.":no:



Can you please double check that your getting this error when the domain is spelt right?

regards

[masoth]

I've been suffering too for a week, or more - IE says "cannot open web site", so I did rudimentary research and came up with the suggestion that a firewall maybe the trouble - NOT my computer but the host. This is the third attempt to post to this thread tonight.

soth

ps: Hooray, It worked, and on my 700th post too.

[corbs]

I have been having this problem for a few days now also.

I am logged into woodworkforums.com, using Firefox and my ISP is Westnet (256k ADSL, really need to go faster though). All other sites are loading no worries at all (wife would have told me if there were problems with facebook:;)

Corbs

[RufflyRustic]

very wierd. I'm on Optusnet adsl2 and not having a problem at all :dunno:

[steven]

very wierd. I'm on Optusnet adsl2 and not having a problem at all :dunno:

I have no problems on bigpond ADSL2+ at the office, NextG is also running well. ATM i'm at the inlaws in Ararat with no problems using an ADSL connection through Exetel.

[masoth]

Interesting - just now downloaded Firefox and the whole shebang has speeded-up. I wonder if this post will enter correctly.

soth

Edit: Hmmm. Well that tells me something.

[steven]

Interesting - just now downloaded Firefox and the whole shebang has speeded-up. I wonder if this post will enter correctly.

soth

Edit: Hmmm. Well that tells me something.

Your browser really shouldn't make any difference.

[BobR]

Same problem. Seems to be getting worse. Vista, Optus cable, IE. This forum only all other sites performing OK.

[ubeaut]

TESTING . TESTING.

NUP STILL NO PROBLEMS HERE.

Sturfed if I know.

BobR - Strangely enough, according to our stats your marked all posts as 'read' and loaded the index page all within the same second and your reply also took less than a second to post.

Go figure. Was it slow loading for you or would the 1 second be about right?

[Cliff Rogers]

Still no problems here for me, I can open a dozen tabs at once without a problem but I have problems on another board, I can't open more that 2 tabs at once there.

I reckon there is some sort of a split in the intenet somewhere.

[Cliff Rogers]

I wonder if this has anything to do with it.
http://www.apnic.net/news/2008/0725.html

[ubeaut]

Steven and I have both tried unsucessfully to reproduce the problem with different computers, browsers and IP's.

Over the last 6 hrs I've connected and browsed this site by:

cable - greased lightning
ADSL - fast
dial up - typical dial up but no time outs or other problems.

Using Firefox, IE6, IE7, Opera, Google, and Safari. Still unable to duplicate the problem. Reckon as Cliff said it's some sort of routing problem.

Could those with problems try Renovate Forum and let us know if the same problem exists over there. No use us without the problem trying it. Theoretically the problem should be the same there as both are on the same server with the same settings etc.

Cheers - Neil

[Mulgabill]

Can you please double check that your getting this error when the domain is spelt right?

regards
Sorry Steven my typo:B in re-typing Error Message.

[Mulgabill]

Could those with problems try Renovate Forum and let us know if the same problem exists over there. No use us without the problem trying it. Theoretically the problem should be the same there as both are on the same server with the same settings etc.

Cheers - Neil

G'day Neil! Yes same problem with the Renovate Forum. At first it was OK but then slowly bogged down

[Ian Smith]

Neil,
I've just tried and the problem is there in both.
At first I thought it was ok but then both seem to misbehave similtaneously. so just to make it more difficult, it's intermittent.

Ian

[BobR]

Just received an error message "ÏE cannot present this page"when I tried to send this message. Had to type it all over again. So here goes.

On most occasions the Forum home page opens OK. Selecting New Posts can bring up the list of threads in an acceptable time frame most times, though sometimes it can take up to about 10 seconds. The problem shows itself when a thread is selected. More often than not the selected thread (in a new page) will take a good ten seconds to be displayed, or will terminate with a "IE cannot present this page"message. At times this can be rectified by shutting down the offending page and selecting the thread over again. If this does not fix the problem I shut IE down and start from square one again.

With regard to "Mark Forums Read" , I do this to prevent being presented with a list that I have previously seen - both read and not read. I only started doing this a few months back as previously there was no need to take such action. I can only guess that a change to the service occurred at this time.

[steven]

Just received an error message "ÏE cannot present this page"when I tried to send this message. Had to type it all over again. So here goes.

Hi Ian

Can you place take a screen shot and post it here or PM me, next time that happens.

regards

[BobR]

This is my error message.


res://ieframe.dll/info_48.png Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage


Most likely causes:


<LI id=causeNotConnected>You are not connected to the Internet. <LI id=causeSiteProblem>The website is encountering problems.
There might be a typing error in the address.
What you can try:

res://ieframe.dll/bullet.png Diagnose Connection Problems (res://ieframe.dll/dnserror.htm#)

res://ieframe.dll/down.png (res://ieframe.dll/dnserror.htm#) More information (http://javascript<b></b>:expandCollapse('infoBlockID', true);)



This problem can be caused by a variety of issues, including:

<LI id=errorExpl2>Internet connectivity has been lost. <LI id=errorExpl3>The website is temporarily unavailable. <LI id=errorExpl4>The Domain Name Server (DNS) is not reachable. <LI id=errorExpl5>The Domain Name Server (DNS) does not have a listing for the website's domain.
If this is an HTTPS (secure) address, click Tools, click Internet Options, click Advanced, and check to be sure the SSL and TLS protocols are enabled under the security section.
For offline users

You can still view subscribed feeds and some recently viewed webpages.

To view subscribed feeds
Click the Favorites Center button res://ieframe.dll/favcenter.png, click Feeds, and then click the feed you want to view.
To view recently visited webpages (might not work on all pages)
<LI id=viewRecentWebpages2>Click Tools res://ieframe.dll/tools.png, and then click Work Offline.
Click the Favorites Center button res://ieframe.dll/favcenter.png, click History, and then click the page you want to view.



Sorry about the format. Came from a Ctrl + C and Ctrl +V

[masoth]

Same problem with "Renovate" using IE but OK using Firefox.
Oops! No. Message reads 'Network timeout', and failed to accept this post.

[Ian Smith]

Steve,
Sorry about he delay - gave up in disgust and went and mowed the yard - sent you a PM with the results you requested .
Even sending this response took 3 attempts.

Message displayed:

Connection interrupted
The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading
The network link was interrupted while negotiating a connection. Please try again


Ian

[AlexS]

Seems patchy. The renovate forum was OK when I tried it a few times. Another forum is now hanging. Here was OK for a while, then slowed.
The progress bar on the address seems to move one step, then hang for ages, then load. But last time, it hug after loading 2 of 3 items, with a blank screen inside the frame.

[Mulgabill]

Steven,
Ping and Tracert results sent to you by PM. As mentioned with the ping results it did report lost packet but I lost the image. :B to-date unable to replicate.

[steven]

Steven,
Ping and Tracert results sent to you by PM. As mentioned with the ping results it did report lost packet but I lost the image. :B to-date unable to replicate.

Hi there

What you sent through to me looked perfect. Packet loss is only a problem if it happens consistently, if your unable to repeat the loss its probably not the cause of this.

regards

[masoth]

Network Timeout

The operation timed out when attempting to contact www.woodworkforums.com.

The requested site did not respond to a connection request and the browser has stopped waiting for a reply.

* Could the server be experiencing high demand or a temporary failure? Try again later.

* Are you unable to browse other sites? Check the computer's network connection.

* Is your computer or network protected by a firewall or proxy? Incorrect settings can interfere with Web browsing.

* Still having trouble? Consult your network administrator or Internet provider for assistance.

This using Firefox, ADSL2 on Vista.

soth

[DavidG]

Steve, from one of the error messages, this is a DNS server problem.

Comms with the DNS server or the server itself are failing.
Different people may be seeing different replicas of the dns sever, depending on their service provider. ?????????

[weisyboy]

mine is back up to normal seed but if i click a link in a subscribed thread notiforcation it comes up with the dsn server error among others and i have the refresh and the page loads.

[steven]

if i click a link in a subscribed thread notiforcation it comes up with the dsn server error

Hi there

I take your talking about the email alert? can you please forward a copy of one to me steven (at) cyanide dot com dot au

cheers

[weisyboy]

it seams to be ok ow ill give it another go in the morning.

[masoth]

To whoever (Steven ?) did whatever - thanks, all is now well.

soth:2tsup:

[corbs]

No idea if anything was done to fix it but its all good on my end now:2tsup:

[elmoticus]

Error message still here at 4.15 this arvo, seems ok atm.

[AlexS]

Seems to have improved this afternoon, at last.

[Mulgabill]

Everything appears fine again!
As someone with an IT background I would be interested to know the cause, if it is known, but like many problems in computing, it may not be able to be explained. :confuzzled:

[AlexS]

Yep, seems OK on this & the other forum. I suspect it was nothing to do with the forums, but I'd be interested in hearing what did cause it if anyone knows.

[BobR]

So far so good. Like others, I would be interested in what the problem was if there is an answer available.

[Skew ChiDAMN!!]

Interesting post. I use bigpond and have noticed some slowness, its across all sites not just this one. Its also been very minor, no errors or long wait times.

A few people who have complained also use bigpond in different states, I wonder if they're testing different filter software in different areas?

Apologies for not replying earlier, I missed this one. :-

FWIW, I use Optus and have the same problems. It's not just BigPond and definitely not just these forums.

Facts on these filters are remarkably slim on the ground and the few queries I've had answered neither confirm nor deny. :sigh: All I know is that it's still in legislation, although by reading between the lines I've come to believe the infrastructure is already being implemented and undergoing preliminary testing.

Perhaps I'm being paranoid, I certainly hope I'm wrong, but if these slow-downs are due to something else (limited bandwidth, etc.) imagine how much slower the 'net will be when the filters are enforced?


Do you know how you can test if your going through a filter?

Sorry, but no idea. I'm assuming that the encrypted tunnels are working faster because any filters being tested are parsing for HTML, etc. and bypass binary data streams.

[mic-d]

Recently did an upgrade of Firefox to 3.05 on a powerbook G4 mac running 10.4.11, and started to get intermittent network timeout errors just in the last day or two like those reported. All other websites I visited were OK, just WWF giving trouble. At the same time SWMBO had no problems getting on to WWF with her powerbook running Firefox 2. through our LAN. (we're using bigpond cable) ping and traceroute from both machines showed similar results, not a DNS problem, but some slow connections. I did a google search and found a lot of people experiencing similar probs with firefox 3 on both mac and pc. Some more searching found this might resolve the problem: (DID resolve my problem)

* Open a new tab, and type about:config in the address bar of Firefox
* Click “I’ll be careful, I promise!”
* Search for the value: network.http.keep-alive
* Double click on this value to “toggle” to change it to false
* Restart FireFox

I also found the default for MTU was OK too.

sthandy$ ping -c 4 74.55.90.114
PING 74.55.90.114 (74.55.90.114): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 74.55.90.114: icmp_seq=0 ttl=42 time=251.018 ms
64 bytes from 74.55.90.114: icmp_seq=1 ttl=42 time=249.893 ms
64 bytes from 74.55.90.114: icmp_seq=2 ttl=42 time=250.528 ms
64 bytes from 74.55.90.114: icmp_seq=3 ttl=42 time=249.850 ms

--- 74.55.90.114 ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 249.850/250.322/251.018/0.483 ms


sthandy$ traceroute 74.55.90.114
traceroute to 74.55.90.114 (74.55.90.114), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 xxx 18.041 ms 24.284 ms 10.243 ms
2 xxx 10.107 ms 25.316 ms 10.114 ms
3 xxx 29.091 ms 13.768 ms 8.961 ms
4 xxx 10.750 ms 10.707 ms 15.053 ms
5 tengigabitethernet6-3.woo4.brisbane.telstra.net (203.45.3.213) 9.767 ms 28.349 ms 10.754 ms
6 tengige0-8-0-2.woo-core1.brisbane.telstra.net (203.50.51.129) 8.688 ms 8.927 ms 9.486 ms
7 bundle-pos2.chw-core2.sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.201) 21.351 ms 21.447 ms 21.993 ms
8 bundle-ether1.oxf-gw2.sydney.telstra.net (203.50.6.90) 19.789 ms 21.564 ms 21.406 ms
9 tengigabitethernet14-0.sydo-core01.sydney.reach.com (203.50.13.42) 23.390 ms 43.240 ms *
10 i-4-1.sydp-core02.net.reach.com (202.84.144.249) 28.299 ms 24.123 ms 22.533 ms
11 static.net.reach.com (202.84.140.246) 206.079 ms 204.986 ms 208.507 ms
12 static.net.reach.com (202.84.251.234) 173.140 ms 172.530 ms 173.207 ms
13 * * *
14 hagg-03-ge-0-0-0-540.hsto.twtelecom.net (66.192.246.206) 265.149 ms 267.939 ms 267.605 ms
15 po1.car07.hstntx2.theplanet.com (74.55.252.86) 250.578 ms 250.516 ms 249.741 ms
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Cheers
Michael