Wet Areas for Power...Any Lecs?

[Ivan in Oz]

G'Day Ppl,

Seeking advice on Distances in Wet Areas for Electrical Items.
GPOs and Sub-Boards.
My SAA is at Work and I am on Holidays.........
Some Holidays, Huh!!!
working Harder and more than my [normal] Job:(

1/
Distance for GPOs to Laundry Tubs, Vertical and Horizontal?

2/
Distance for GPOs to Washing Machine and /or its Lid (top Loader), Vertical and Horizontal?

3/
Distance for Sub-Board to Laundry Tubs, Vertical and Horizontal?

4/
Distance for Sub-Board to Washing Machine and /or its Lid (top Loader), Vertical and Horizontal?


Looking to put a Sub-Board in the Shed, Near where the Electrical Conduit comes out:((:doh:
there will be a Washing Machine and Laundry Tub near that Corner.

[Ivan in Oz]

OK!!

Did some more Searches and used My Search Engine to locate a couple.

GUESS WHAT!!!:o:oo::o:oo:

They were here All Thge TIME.
http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=57005&page=2

Must get to use the Search Facility HERE Better.

Now I have to go find Information for the Sub-Board...............Full on RCDs
1 RCD per Circuit....OverKill I know, but, Hey!
What the heck:roll::2tsup:

[ScottH]

So, I've gone for the new reg book this time...

"6.2.4.6 A switchboard shall not be installed within any classified zone"

[nev25]

G'Day Ppl,

Seeking advice on Distances in Wet Areas for Electrical Items.
GPOs and Sub-Boards.
.

The Electrician that does the work will know all this

[Ausyuppy]

The Electrician that does the work will know all this

For once I think you have finally jumped in too early Nev.

From previous posts and discussions, I could safely assume that Ivan is a sparky out in Western QLD. Not every sparky is wiring domestically and do need to refer to their SAA rule book from time to time.

Constructive help is nice from time to time :) :D.

Cheers
Steve

[nev25]

For once I think you have finally jumped in too early Nev.

From previous posts and discussions, I could safely assume that Ivan is a sparky out in Western QLD. Not every sparky is wiring domestically and do need to refer to their SAA rule book from time to time.

Constructive help is nice from time to time :) :D.

Cheers
Steve

Sorry I have to disagree
Maybe he is a sparkie if he is he should have a copy if the regs.
Yes Even those who work in industrial should have the regs (It does cover some Industrial situations its not all domestic)

As a sparkie he should know for advice like posted he should be talking to an Electrical Inspector who knows not wannabees on a forum who think they know.

After all anyone on here that gives advice to someone who injures them self can be held liable

[nev25]

Now the can of worms is open again
LET THE GAMES BEGIN:D

[Ivan in Oz]

I could safely assume that Ivan is a sparky out in Western QLD. Steve

Ta Guys, Steve.

Yes,
Mostly 4-20milliamp
or
6.6kV

Both ends of the spectrum:doh:
I'll wait 'till I'm at work again,
been on Hols, now I DO need a rest:~:B

Oh!!
Western Qld is further out West..............
Like Dirranbandi way:;

I'm an Hour out from Toowoomba

[Ausyuppy]

Sorry I have to disagree
Maybe he is a sparkie if he is he should have a copy if the regs.
Yes Even those who work in industrial should have the regs (It does cover some Industrial situations its not all domestic)

As a sparkie he should know for advice like posted he should be talking to an Electrical Inspector who knows not wannabees on a forum who think they know.

After all anyone on here that gives advice to someone who injures them self can be held liable

By no means am I advocating that unlicenced people should be doing electrical work.

Ivans post said that his copy of the wiring rules were at work. He was looking for other Electricians that could give him an answer, I cant see what your issue is with that.

If someone gives out advice with exerts directly from AS3000 I cant see how he would be helf liable. That document is available to anyone who wants to pay the money to Standards Australia.

Cheers
Steve

[nev25]

If someone gives out advice with exerts directly from AS3000 I cant see how he would be helf liable. That document is available to anyone who wants to pay the money to Standards Australia.

Cheers
Steve


Tell the Chief Electrical inspectors office that


Hey I'm not the enemy here Just repeating what we have been told

[nev25]

Ivan what is the volume of the tubs
in Litres

[Ivan in Oz]

G'day Nev,

Tubs aren't in yet.....Not even purchased.
BUT
from memory,
I'd best make it less than 45 Litres,
If my Memory serves me well.......................:?:?:?


"This wheel's on Fire":2tsup:
Brian Auger, Julie Driscoll and the Trinity

[montiee]

Tell the Chief Electrical inspectors office that


Hey I'm not the enemy here Just repeating what we have been told

Whomever told you that is a complete tool. Quoting from official sources anyone can purchase holds no liability at all. If anything liability is towards the people who wrote the standards for supplying incorrect information should it be found faulty.

Protectionalism in industries is rife with a shitload of scare campaigns. If only all electricians followed those standards to the letter it'd be a better world. Most don't. I've had electricians pop in who were so lazy and obviously not following standards it wasn't funny. I threw two out before I found one that was half decent. Hell I found one guy running incorrect guage wire for the powerpoints just because he ran out of the proper stuff. What a joke. Informing non-electrical people about the standards is good because at least they can double check the electricians work rather than just take it on blind faith that the work is done right (often is isn't totally to standards). I hate it when the consumer is denied information because they are worse off for it.

Standards should be free and open to the public for download so that any queries they have about an electricians work can be double checked. At least those who do it themselves when they shouldn't would have more chance of getting it right. As it stands they just go ahead with it anyway. Denial of information accomplishes nothing.

[Master Splinter]

Here's a good online reference to everyday electrical wiring details when your copy of AS/NZS 3000 is in hiding.

It's from the NZ government energy site, and its designed to help homeowners meet safety standards when they do their own electrical work.

http://www.energysafety.govt.nz/upload/33458/ecp51v18.pdf

And these are good too:

Fitting downlights -
NZECP 54:2001: New Zealand Electrical Code of Practice for the Installation of Recessed Luminaires and Auxiliary Equipment (http://www.energysafety.govt.nz/upload/33478/ecp_54_1.pdf)

Fixing appliances -
NZECP 50:2004: New Zealand Electrical Code of Practice for Repair and Maintenance of Domestic Electrical Appliances by the Owner of the Appliance (http://www.energysafety.govt.nz/upload/33456/ECP50v18.pdf)

[patty]

Yeah I can totally understand what Nev25 is on about here not on this reg but on others you cant be too careful about what you tell people either on this site or anyhwere without it possibly comin back at you to bite you in the ????!!! Sometimes I question the whole idea of the Elect Blog here as rules vary from state to state and even though you live in the same state then the local council duristictions come into play then they overide state regs it neve ends!

[Ausyuppy]

Patty,
That is incorrect. Licencing changes state to state and what work a person can perform dependant on the licence.

However AS3000:2007 is an Australian Standard to which all Electrical work that is completed by a licenced person is to comply to regardless of the state.

Every state has some type of regulatory authority which administers licences and polices the regulations. Here is QLD they are called the Electrical Safety Office. They have inspectors which audit completed work to ensure it complies with the regulations.

Cheers
Steve

[Terrian]

The Electrician that does the work will know all this

too right he *should* but I am in the planning stages of redoing my kitchen / bathroom /laundry / what ever and would like to know where I can and can't have power points / light switches .... and the problem you have with that is ??

[montiee]

too right he *should* but I am in the planning stages of redoing my kitchen / bathroom /laundry / what ever and would like to know where I can and can't have power points / light switches .... and the problem you have with that is ??

Exactly. You get lazy electricians who can place apower point in a more convenient position legally but because it causes a bit more work give you a load of BS about regs. They are interested in charging a premium and getting out as quick as possible for the next job. Then you pull out the regs and point out the section and get "oh it must of been changed recently" :rolleyes:. Then you get the guys that ran out of the correct guage of wire for power points and try putting in the guage used for lighting in the bedroom. Sure it won't be a problem 99% of time because most people don't put a huge load but by the time it does become a problem who'se going to remember the electrician. God the stories I could tell going through electricians when I rewired my home. This time round I made damn sure everything was done to code to avoid problems. Should the electrician done that for me, sure. In most cases did they, no. Seems guys in the trade just have their own variances on how things should be done and don't get pulled up on it. Why because most people don't have a clue because of this cloak and dagger BS when it comes to information.

Nothing like being an informed customer who can select electricians based on competency of work that you monitor during the install and not in blind ignorance. Blind ignorance usually means getting ripped off in trades.

[Master Splinter]

Check the links I posted earlier - they give all the right sizes of wire and locations and all that - in a slightly easier to read manner than AS/NZS3000. (Yes, Australia and New Zealand share the same standards)

[Terrian]

Why because most people don't have a clue because of this cloak and dagger BS when it comes to information.

I do get a little annoyed at times with some people here, just because some one ask a question doesn't mean they are going to do the work themselves.
It is pretty well known that electrical work is a no go zone for non qualified people.


Nothing like being an informed customer who can select electricians based on competency of work that you monitor during the install and not in blind ignorance. Blind ignorance usually means getting ripped off in trades.

For sure, I had some plumbing work done recently, gas pipe which I would not have done myself, but I guarantee that if I had asked questions here I would have had at least 1 plumber having a go at me :)

[Ivan in Oz]

I do get a little annoyed at times with some people here, just because some one ask a question doesn't mean they are going to do the work themselves.
Ta Terrian,
I do ask Questions;
AND
I do intend to do my own work.
YES
I am a Qualified Electrical Fitter/Mechanic [Non-Domestic variety]
AND
My SAAs are Electronic;
up to date;
and at Work on the Computer Common Drive.

What I look to be doing,
is asking someone from the Chief Electrical inspectors office and asking for email reply as well;
even though they are over 250klm away;
and they keep you hanging on the phone for exorbitant amounts of time.
[I have an On-Line Stopwatch Which I use to time them]

The question will relate to the location of the Sub-Board
and the NON-Fixed wired Washing machine.

I would nearly call my Washing Machine
a "stationary cooking appliance" as that is what it would like to do to my work clothes some times.



if I had asked questions here


I do ask questions,
so often what others "WANT" to ask but don't...........thinking classroom here.