Timber over MDF Stairs and Particle Board

[lobo]

hello,
I am building a new project home around Southern sydney and getting a project builder to build it for me. The project builder is offering me as standard MDF stairs and also the option of going to a Full timber maple stairs for $3000 plus staining costs.
A carpenter / flooring man has offered to lay blackbutt overlay over the MDF and the particle board glued and nailed. He claims this is standard practice and cost saving for the staircase at least.

The question "is it ok to go for a MDF staircase with overlay/"

thanks in advance

Lobo

[Gaza]

yes it is the best way, the timber treads will not get damaged during construction.

[sports fan]

i would probably go for mdf treads& risers carpet over it.. and maple or pine for handrail + balusters.. not really a veneer kinda guy

[henlan77]

If by 'overlay' you mean a thin veneer, I would be hesitant.

If you mean a solid piece of blackbutt timber as the stair tread (I'd have thought at least 25mm thick) then it is a good idea and common practice. The blackbutt treads won't get damaged during construction as the builders can use the raw MDF/chipboard stairs.

Don't forget you'll want a nice riser panel as well. I have used blackbutt treads with black melamine risers over a chipboard structure. Looked great.

[glock40sw]

G'day.
I pretty sure Gaza was talking about 12mm Overlay Solid wood T&G.

Although, I will stand corrected if needed :2tsup:.
12 mm overlay T&G is a common facing for Stairs.

[Connollys]

We line stairs with 19mm solid T&G flooring all the time, it is a cost effective way to get a great result that matches the floor exactly. Make sure they create a bullnose for the front of the step. :U

Cheers

[Dave1975]

[G`day I`m Floor layer - sander , laying any strip flooring over stairs will always going cheaper than solid treads and risers as long as the MDF stairs are squared off (No Nosing) and you have to put up with joins through the treads, I recommend lay over treads only and buy for the riser only eg. 180mm x 5mm long enough to do all the risers (rip down to the height)


quote=lobo;719594]hello,
I am building a new project home around Southern sydney and getting a project builder to build it for me. The project builder is offering me as standard MDF stairs and also the option of going to a Full timber maple stairs for $3000 plus staining costs.
A carpenter / flooring man has offered to lay blackbutt overlay over the MDF and the particle board glued and nailed. He claims this is standard practice and cost saving for the staircase at least.

The question "is it ok to go for a MDF staircase with overlay/"

thanks in advance

Lobo[/quote]

[UteMad]

Check out these ones .. We removed the slate tiles then plywooded the concrete stairs ...Laminated the treads and had them dressed and pre sanded ... Fitted all the stairs together and had them resanded and polished.. Treads were 25mm finish and risers were 18mm finish..

Unfortunately the cost was more than triple the 3000 you were quoted

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k287/utemad/stairskillarney-1.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k287/utemad/stairskillarney-2.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k287/utemad/stairskillarney-3.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k287/utemad/stairskillarney-5.jpg

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k287/utemad/stairskillarney-6.jpg

Gould luck with the stairs i would be reluctanct to do anything less than 18mm for the treads and they will need a bonded nosing to look chunky


cheers utemad

[boban]

Like ute man said, it is done all the time. I did the same thing but I laminated a piece from the same board to make the nosing 38mm. It's a slow process when you start glueing before installation but it is a better job overall. On that particular site the task was made even harder by having to scribe the side boards to the treads. See this (http://woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=19769)

On a straight run going from stringer to stringer is pretty easy and not that time consuming. Relatively speaking of course.

[UteMad]

Its a fun job isn't it... Routing all the grooves under the treads and all the scribing and planing.. I wouldn't quote it again unless i knew the person.. I had a call for exactly the same thing again a few weeks ago so sent the photo's with a ballpark and never heard back ... You would think with all the hacks out there that having photo's of the same job done previously you would atleast get a call back over someone who just says yeah i'll take care of that......

Like i have said Sydney is an expensive place full of t#ght A#ses


cheers utemad