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quile01
26th November 2007, 03:09 PM
Hi

I have a couple of quotes for a new kitchen - one from Kitchen Connection and another from a local comapny in Brissie.

Bith are similar priced but Kitchen Connection pusheds their High Gloss Vinyl with a 10 year guarantee.

Firstly, anyone had any experience with them and secondly, how does the 'new' vinyl compare to 2Pac?

Thanks

renomart
26th November 2007, 04:49 PM
Interesting... most vinyl door manufacturers only give a 7 year guarantee. (Kitchen Connection outsource their doors).

Toolin Around
26th November 2007, 06:52 PM
Interesting... most vinyl door manufacturers only give a 7 year guarantee. (Kitchen Connection outsource their doors).

Obviously personal opinion... Guarantee is for as long as they're in business or want to honor it. Long tern guarantees are an advertising ploy to hook you in and not worth the paper they're printed on. As for 2pac I wouldn't have it if it were free. You'll be real when you chip it for the first time, not as on the second... eventually you wont care. If it's a functional kitchen I'd be using melamine and 2mm PVC edge. If I wanted to brag about all the money I spent (borrowed) and make a statement I'd go solid wood.

journeyman Mick
29th November 2007, 12:05 AM
..............I'd be using melamine and 2mm PVC edge. If I wanted to brag about all the money I spent (borrowed) and make a statement I'd go solid wood.

What he said! Melamine is a way better material than either 2 pac or vinyl.

Mick

seriph1
29th November 2007, 07:14 AM
How anyone could stand tall and say ... "see my kitchen IT'S VINYL!" is beyond me. - but then, most things are beyond me :D:D:D

All been said - guarantees are BS, esp. with kitchen 'assemblers' What I'd like to know is how big is the kitchen and how much are they quoting .... In my experience, kitchen "assemblers" have outrageous mark ups.

frog_hopper
30th November 2007, 03:52 PM
2 pac has the advantage that you can paint over it and chage colours later if you need to. Additionally, you can match the colour exactly to your walls, to make the kitchen seem seamless to the rest of the house (great if you have a small house). I quite like it.

Kitchen Connection - I heard numerous bad reports about them when I was looking in to my kitchen reno last year. Don't go with Unique kitchens either.

frog_hopper

Cutting Edge
2nd December 2007, 06:07 PM
2 pac has the advantage that you can paint over it and chage colours later if you need to. Additionally, you can match the colour exactly to your walls, to make the kitchen seem seamless to the rest of the house (great if you have a small house). I quite like it.

Kitchen Connection - I heard numerous bad reports about them when I was looking in to my kitchen reno last year. Don't go with Unique kitchens either.

frog_hopper

Frog_Hopper is right. Atleast with polyurethane it can be touched up and respradyed at anytime. You can also have a profilded door.

Melamine with 2mm PVC is reserved for the cheapest of cheap kitchens and it shows.

Metung
2nd December 2007, 06:38 PM
Went through the kitchen dilemma a little while ago and one sales pitch for vinyl in preference to 2 pac had me wondering. The salesman advised against 2 pac because he reckoned the surface tension of the 2 pac paint differed from the front to the back of the door and therefore had a tendency to bow it. What's the consensus?

Toolin Around
2nd December 2007, 06:51 PM
Frog_Hopper is right. Atleast with polyurethane it can be touched up and respradyed at anytime. You can also have a profilded door.

Melamine with 2mm PVC is reserved for the cheapest of cheap kitchens and it shows.

Well sort of... Try matching faded paint sometime

You're right, it shows if you buy the cheapest of the cheapest - which seems to be a significantly motivating factor here. I've seen some very good melamine work and I'm pretty stuck up when it comes to kitchen cabinet work. I'm used to working on $60,000 plus kitchens where melamine board wouldn't even be considered for the kicks.

The rule of thumb for anything. The less you pay the crappier it is. I'd have used a better and far more descriptive adjective but it would have been filtered... Kitchens are no exception. In fact I'd say for kitchens you have to be more careful as most in the business are too stupid and try to cut each others throats all the time by undercutting too much. But that's another soap box I should stay away from...

Cutting Edge
2nd December 2007, 06:52 PM
Went through the kitchen dilemma a little while ago and one sales pitch for vinyl in preference to 2 pac had me wondering. The salesman advised against 2 pac because he reckoned the surface tension of the 2 pac paint differed from the front to the back of the door and therefore had a tendency to bow it. What's the consensus?

He is right, but if you think about it vinyl is exactly the same.

If you take a piece of 16 or 18mm board and glue/contact laminate or veneer to one surface then it will bow over time.

Some cheap companys will use 16mm board for there doors. Kitchen doors should always be 18mm.

2pac doors are less lickely to warp or bow than vinyl.