Where did the humour go?

[Brickie]

To Neil and all the Admins and Mods.

I have always greatly admired the Woodworking forums and all who donate their time to help keep the forums running smoothly.
Its a thankless job, I know.

I realise how hard it is to keep the general hoard in place and to stop any bickering, fighting, etc.

But.
There is always a but isnt there?

Please dont lose the sense of humour from the forums.
These days, anyone who has a post that is considered even remotely humorous has the post deleted.

The forums were created on humour, I have read the very first few posts, yes, the very first ones.

There has been a lot of effort expended by those that helped to make the forums as great as what they are today, and most of the posts contained humour of some sort.

Now, if a post contains any sort of humour that is considered "off", its deleted.

Drivel, I can understand being deleted, it is mind numbing to say the least and lacks humour?

Im the 3 months that I have been away from the forums, there seems to have been a mind set of, if its funny delete it. Why?

Please dont let the humour die.

Al :)

[Carry Pine]

Allan at Whalan and Mon Reuben come out of hiding.

CP

[Brickie]

Im not talking of the "jokes section" Im talking about the forum as a whole. :)

[mic-d]

:feedtroll::rico:

[dazzler]

Hi brickie

My 2c....

The forum has grown up maybe and become more focused on the technical side rather than a bunch of mates interested in woodwork (male and female) just yarning so to speak.

The other is the fact that this is owned by a single person who puts thier particular "brand" on how they think it should go which is fair enough seeing as they's payin the bills.
EDIT: I gutted out there. I actually dont think its a healthy thing in the long run. The child needs its space sometimes. :pipe1:

I also think the mods have slowly but surely had a gutful of the whingers on the forum whining about every possible anticipated and imagined slight against thier painfully thin skins and sorting out the squabbles between those with no spines but a very tall horse on which to gaze down from.

But its still fun living on the boundaries and stickin to the wowsers now and then :2tsup:.

Yeah you, over the back, Im lookin at you sooky bub :p

[glock40sw]

G'day.
I find the Forums funny as all buggery:2tsup:.

Hell...Even Al laughed so hard he pizzed himself so I'm told.

Humor is everwhere. Either that or I take too many uppers..:D

I have only ever had 2 posts deleted.
One was a goat joke for Al.
The other was taking the Pizz out of Cliff

[Cliff Rogers]

....The other was taking the Pizz out of Cliff
I must have missed that one, :? you better post it again. :D

[dazzler]

I must have missed that one, :? you better post it again. :D

I didnt think anyone would have been into the stuff he suggested you were into.....made me blush :oo:

[pawnhead]

Well I've had a few deleted, but I'm not complaining (too much).
I'll just keep living on the boundaries and sticking it to the wowsers now and then.

I hope you stick around. This place could do with the worlds best bricklayer.

[Cliff Rogers]

I didnt think anyone would have been into the stuff he suggested you were into.....made me blush :oo:
Struth.... now I really want to know. :D

[Allan at Wallan]

Life was never meant to be easy ... so they say.

I had things pretty rough as a youngster, my family broke
up when I was 14. I have never lived with either of my
parents since then as I was "in hiding". One thing that
got me through those years was HUMOUR as I read joke
books whenever I could afford one.

I joined the postal service and rose to the top with a staff
of 41 at my Post Office. My dedication to the job and my
success in managing people can partly be attributed to a
necessary component called HUMOUR.

I have a successful marriage of 46 years and anyone who
is still married after that time will recognize that HUMOUR
contributes something into a marriage.

Now in retirement I am tackling woodturning with the same
determination that has helped me succeed in life. I belong
to two woodturning clubs and thoroughly enjoy the sense
of belonging and sharing with others. Similarly I joined the
Woodworking Forum and just love the atmosphere. The
spirit within the group is great, the knowledge shared is
invaluable, generosity abounds in many ways, friendships
are formed and HUMOUR can be found in many of the threads.

I avoid hurtful comments, foul language or jokes that
offend. On the rare occasion that one of my jokes is
"moved" it is because replies sometimes snowball and the
Moderator chooses to put an end to it. I accept such a
decision gracefully.

May HUMOUR, HUMOUR, and more HUMOUR continue.:2tsup:

Allan

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I am not at all worried about dying
... but just hope that I am not there at the time.

[watson]

G'day Allan,
You're right on there.......life wasn't meant to be easy....but it's easier with a humorous slant.
I'm also glad that your posted humour is being improved by the donated joke book left for you at the forum stand at the Melbourne WWW show.
That's funny in itself.

[ubeaut]

Sorry to disappoint you but the sense of humor is still here. The forums are still fun and always will be.

It's just that those genuinely seeking help and giving it, now far outweighing the jokers, hijackers, drivellers and those who thought they were funny. Thankfully for the us they've found another place to go and spread their humor until they sicken themselves and their fellow members of it.

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Contrary to popular belief I have virtually nothing at all to do with what is moderated, and far from putting my own "brand" on how anyone thinks I actually encourage all mods and admin to be their own person and do what they think is right. If there's a problem it's discussed with others. I pay the bills and let the mods do their own thing.

Nowadays the forums are about 85% self moderating with most posts and threads being moderated by the posters themselves. The bulk of the moderating done by the mods and admin is deleting spam, and other unsavory garbage.

The Mods and Admins are not prudes, fun nazi's or anything else. They are hand picked for their fairness, levelheadedness and good sense of judgment among other special attributes. Apart from spammers and the like, most posts dealt with by mods are done so because they have been reported by other members.


I have only ever had 2 posts deleted.
One was a goat joke for Al.
The other was taking the Pizz out of CliffFunny enough probably both deleted by...... Yep you guessed it, AL. Who also was one of the main ones responsible for the clamp down on drivel. Which as you would have seen in a couple of posts see above was still alive until deleted during the typing of this post.

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Administrators:

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Cheers - Neil :U

PS The stats speak for themselves. Since a hand full of members went to another place for their blokey release we have had record membership sign ups, record numbers of unique visitors, record numbers of page views. Our number of hits has dropped to 14.5 million per month

The above all reflect a more discerning membership, more quality posts, and less garbage leading to less hits.

Are we happy about this..... NO! We're bloody ecstatics. :hpydans2:

Personally I'd like to thank those of you who frequent TheBlokeyShed for going there to do your thing instead of here. You have what you want and in getting it you've finally given us what we want. :2tsup:

To those who stick around here and help but got there for their fun I say, "Thank you." To those who stay at the other place and don't come back I say, "In most instances, you will be missed, but others will come and take your place."

To those who go to the other place to whinge, moan, complain about these forums the mods, members and admin, I say "Who the hell cares. If you don't like it the answer's simple. Don't come back. It's no big deal. There will be no gnashing of teeth, wailing or lamenting your departure. "

[glock40sw]

Well bloody put. :2tsup:

I had a look at the other forum. But it doesn't have the technical flavour of this one.
Keep up the great work.

[glock40sw]

Struth.... now I really want to know. :D


Got ya worried now...Eh....:D

Can almost hear the cogs turning over in your head from down here..:D
( Cliff thinks to self " What sick schit did I do while Pizzed last time"):oo:

[Cliff Rogers]

...."Who the hell cares. .....
That's my option. :2tsup: :D

[Rossluck]

Yes, well said Neil. :2tsup:

But I also want to identify an additional practice of those who vascillate between this forum and the Peanut Gallery. Quite often new people or inexperienced members ask questions that seem naive and focus on subjects that have been previously discussed at length. This immediately makes them the target of derision which is manifest as snide remarks in this forum and open criticism in the Gallery (yes, I'm an occasional lurker there).

I for one don't like this practice. Everyone should be given the opportunity to become familiar with the function of this forum. New and inexperienced members should be treated with respect and guidance, not derision. They may be somewhat ignorant sometimes of the way the forum works and of what has previously been discussed, but this doesn't mean that they are stupid.

[pawnhead]

I suppose it depends on what you come here for.

I'd say that the main purpose of the forums is to share knowledge and help people out in a friendly atmosphere, whilst building a community.

I've been a bit rude and cheeky before, and in one case the original poster was obviously offended, judging by the tone of his reply. I was being tongue in cheek, and I thought that my response was funny, but the poster obviously didn't agree and both posts were deleted.
I reckon that's fair enough, and I apologized to him in the thread. We shook hands and it led to a much nicer atmosphere than a sarcastic slanging match would have, although I'd agree that they can be quite funny sometimes.

Some people are a bit thin skinned and take offense rather than take a joke and throw it back at you. That's a shame, but the intention here shouldn't be to cause offense to anyone.

I'd noticed in the brief time I spent at the Peanut Gallery that you guys don't seem to care at all about being offensive to people. http://www.woodworkforums.com/images/icons/icon13.gif

I'll just keep pushing the boundaries (http://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=60233&highlight=box+office) and hope that the mods don't get sick of me. :q

[Cliff Rogers]

....Some people are a bit thin skinned and take offense rather than take a joke ....
Nailed it. :2tsup:

[glock40sw]

Quite often new people or inexperienced members ask questions that seem naive and focus on subjects that have been previously discussed at length. This immediately makes them the target of derision which is manifest as snide remarks in this forum.

I too dislike this happening.
If somebody asks a question, then they deserve a civil answer. Not a rant about "use the bloody search tool" type of responce.

But, on the other hand, if a member is putting forth false or misleading info, I like to set them straight as false info will lead to the asker of the question being let up the garden path.

Treat everyone as you would like to be treated..

[wheelinround]

Whole heartedly agree with Neil :2tsup:

Brickie my suggestion is bring some along yourself John & Allan won't mind :D and a breath of fresh air is always nice.

[Cliff Rogers]

Us & them, them & us......... :cool:

Here is an interesting parallel. (not my opinion, I couldn't give a rat's :D)

It Takes All Kinds (http://scruffynerf.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/it-takes-all-kinds/)

[pawnhead]

Nailed it. :2tsup:Oh I didn't take any offense at the Peanut Gallery if that's what you're implying. I just saw no point in wasting any more of my time arguing with you numbskulls. :wink:

If you'd quoted the rest of that paragraph, then you'd notice a qualification:
the intention here shouldn't be to cause offense to anyone.

[Cliff Rogers]

Arr but.... (gooder english)

You most likely have a much higher opinion of your opinion then everybody else's opinion of your opininon, however, that is not my opinion... I couldn't give a rat's. :p

[pawnhead]

Everyone has a high opinion of their own opinion. You'd be in a straight jacket, or you'd need to take lithium for your depression if you didn't.

You guys don't seem to care about how much mud you throw over the fence at the members here though.
That's just my humble opinion BTW.

edit: BTW, I'm not alone in my opinion. Someone who deserves a lot of respect agreed with me, and it gave me a lot of reasurance at the time. He won't throw mud over the fence, but I'd take his opinion over you numbskulls any day. That's all I'm saying on the matter though.

[dazzler]

I didnt even know there was an us and them :? .....damn, gotta keep up with bunfights...:p

Someone send me a pm so I can catch up :D

[Brickie]

There is no Us and Them, some inmates made a run for it thats all..:U :o:doh:

[LGS]

Well said, John. I concur completely.

[boban]

Us and them.

Weird times.

A moron is a moron, whether he posts here or there.

Like it or not, some people are downright stupid.

Don't tar everyone with the same brush.

The "do a search mentality" was/is most prevalent here and one I've hated from the beginning.

The other place is not for the easily offended. It is obviously not for all.

The moderators do the best they can. (I don't always agree but who cares)

We all have our times.

I frequent both places. What's wrong with that?

Just a few conclusions I thought I would post without making this post mindnumbingly long.

[watson]

Can we go back to having fun now?? :U

[Brickie]

I thought it was all non stop fun. :bgth::harhar:

[pawnhead]

I didnt even know there was an us and them :? .....damn, gotta keep up with bunfights...:p

Someone send me a pm so I can catch up :DI would have sent you the link, but I’ve just paid a brief visit to the Peanut Gallery, and they’ve wisely decided to delete the offensive thread. I asked them to in both of my posts, but my request was ignored.

The owner of the site said that you have to have a ‘thick skin’ after he posted a list of top WWF posters and invited comment. After a member was named who’s known for posting lengthy threads, there was a chorus of ‘no not him’ and the site owner referred to him as a “waste of bandwidth”, without even a sarcastic smilie attached, as did others. The gossip (I called it a circle-j***) about WWF members continued for pages until it was interrupted by the member who’s known for his lengthy posts.

He (justifiably IMO) spat the venom of a thousand snakes, in one of the most articulate, well constructed, witty, and entertaining posts that I’ve ever had the pleasure of reading. I said as much in my posts, but they were all too busy having a good laugh at his expense.
HTFU was their policy.

The whole place looked to me like a clone of WWF, except that if you were a pen turner then you’d need a thick skin if you dared to sign up.


There is no Us and Them, some inmates made a run for it thats all..:U :o:doh:Perhaps I should have kept my mouth shut, but you can’t take back what’s been said in public, and it looms large in my memory. I don’t know how you’re behaving now, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if you’re still discussing what’s going on here at WWF, and making comments about our members without them knowing. I couldn’t give a rats what you say about me, but you’ll probably be throwing some mud after reading this.
As I said in my posts, if you have to gossip about something then do it in private by PM. I trust that you’re still amusing each other, although I have different term for that sort of behaviour (as I’ve already mentioned).
Well said, John. I concur completely.I suspect that old Cliffy may be a bit peeved with me for ignoring him once. You see he tried (unsuccessfully I thought) to defend his character after my attacks on him, and other members. I raised the bar, and I even broke the terms of agreement at the Peanut Farm.
Do you remember that Cliff?
You came back pleading your case but I’ve said nothing else there since. Of course you weren’t alone in attacking me. On the contrary it was the other way around and I was alone and being attacked. This very fact also provided evidence for my slander of your character.
I was also surprised at the behaviour of another prominent member, who was conceding to my points by PM, whilst at the same time defending his actions and going along with the pack in the thread.

If you’re still bearing a grudge against me Cliff, then I’d advise you to grow a thicker skin, or take me to court for your satisfaction, if you can find the post somewhere in the bowels of the Peanut Farm ... (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y266/holgerdanske/Johntongue.jpg)


You see, for all of us, once something has been said, it can’t be taken back.
In a public forum, it can be deleted, but history remains the same and you just have to live with the consequences, whatever they may be.

[Brickie]

Nice image John..:U:U:U:U
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y266/holgerdanske/Johntongue.jpg

I dont know how this has turned into a us and them thread? :?
I was just commenting in the feedback forum, of all places, about how I perceive the forum has changed since I was here 3 months ago..:?

Im still confused as to where the, them and us, in this thread has come from?
Im not really, I just made that last bit up..:U

I had no intention of even mentioning the other forum at all in this thread, it didnt even enter my Peanut brain to do so. :?

I just wanted to know if is my perception of things, or if things had actually changed?

It is the feed back forum after all.. :doh:

[munruben]

Can we go back to having fun now?? :U:whs:

[Groggy]

I've been away for a bit and have just returned to this thread. I wanted to delete the cross forum references/arguments as they do not apply to this topic (humour), nor are they likely to benefit anyone involved.

We (the admins and mods) do not want a them-and-us developing with any forums and have previously deleted the posts where it has occurred. Looking at this thread, deleting the references will be quite hard to do without losing the plot of the entire thread. I will also add that it would be quite hard to do without accusations of bias coming back again.

So, please stop the cross-forum discussion and keep it to the topic of
"Where did the humour go".

[echnidna]

So, please stop the cross-forum discussion and keep it to the topic of
"Where did the humour go".

:2tsup:

[Brickie]

We (the admins and mods) do not want a them-and-us developing with any forums .

Same here Greg, so keep it on topic people. :D
Almost feels good........:roll:

[Groggy]

:2tsup:no Bob, the irony of the statement is not lost on me. See? I do have a sense of humour :D

[echnidna]

"No irony intended

pity you censored my previous post in this thread.

That's one of the things that's gone awry here, reasonable discussion is censored.

But keep your head in the sand and you lose the opportunity to improve things.

Of course while your head is stuck in the sand someone might come up and give you a boot in the posterior. Hope I see it when it happens

ps. I'll post a duplicate of this post on the feral forum so those who frequent both forums can see what I mean"

pity I hadn't kept a copy of the deleted post but I didn't think of that as that post wasn't rude or anything. it was only intended to promote open and honest discussion'

[dazzler]

Wow, I have been away.

Anyhow....I love you all and if I wasnt already taken I would happily father your children. :2tsup:

[Rookie]

That's what I get for spending the afternoon in the workshop instead of catching up with this stuff.:doh:

[Groggy]

Bob,

I posted this:


I've been away for a bit and have just returned to this thread. I wanted to delete the cross forum references/arguments as they do not apply to this topic (humour), nor are they likely to benefit anyone involved.

We (the admins and mods) do not want a them-and-us developing with any forums and have previously deleted the posts where it has occurred. Looking at this thread, deleting the references will be quite hard to do without losing the plot of the entire thread. I will also add that it would be quite hard to do without accusations of bias coming back again.

So, please stop the cross-forum discussion and keep it to the topic of
"Where did the humour go".

I noticed your post below when the screen refreshed:


Sadly some of this forums people seem to suffer from inferiority problems.

Laughable really, a forum of almost 6000 active members worrying about a forum with about 75 active members

I'm on both forums and find it astonishing that there is a far higher level of personal attacks here than in the feral forum. In fact theses days there are very few if any personal attacks over there.
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Regards
Bob ThomasThe reason I deleted the post was sent to you in the following PM:



deleted post

Bob,

sorry that your post was the only one clobbered. I saw it after I posted mine and if I'd left it there it would have been very hard for others not to respond.

regards

GregThe reason for the deletion was provided, it wasn't personal, it was an attempt to keep the thread from degenerating into the "them and us" scenario mentioned earlier.

Bob, if you don't like what the moderators do, or me in particular, then there are a few things you can do. I try to be fair, but am human like all of us, so I do make mistakes. If you think this is the case then you could first try answering the PMs that are sent to you, or take the issue to Neil.

[Brickie]

Wow, I have been away.

Anyhow....I love you all and if I wasnt already taken I would happily father your children. :2tsup:

Maybe start a list just in case you get divorced or something?:roll:

[echnidna]

so why is me agreeing with your action to keep the thread on topic ironical?

[Groggy]

so why is me agreeing with your action to keep the thread on topic ironical? :? I was referring to the irony of MY statement, not yours - I thought you had picked up on it.

The irony was that in the original post Brickie referred to posts being deleted and spoiling the humour. I was trying to keep the thread on track by moderating it, which unfortunately sometimes involves deleting posts, to keep the thread ABOUT humour.

[Brickie]

Ok, I started this, can I end it?

Please close, if possible?

[dennford]

Ok, I started this, can I end it?

Please close, if possible?

Please!

[dazzler]

Not before me list is complete:D

[pawnhead]

Nice image John..:U:U:U:U
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y266/holgerdanske/Johntongue.jpg

That's not my best side.
My best side is at my other end. :U

[Brickie]

That's not my best side.
My best side is at my other end. :U

Im sure it is..:roll:

[pawnhead]

Im sure it is..:roll:Well I'm not going to show it to you.
I'm sure that it would be deleted if I did. :bartmoon: :wink:

[Cliff Rogers]

Originally posted by corkhead....
...I suspect that old Cliffy may be a bit peeved with me for ignoring him once. ......[/


Bugger, I went to a woodwork meeting & missed a good bun fight. :D

I have 2 things to say to you corkhead, neither of them are very original but I think they are funny so I'll repeat them here.

1. Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig enjoys it. :D :D :D

2. Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig. :rolleyes:

3. (I found another one. :p ) With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.

4. (I lied.) If you want to grizzle about the other forum or people who post there, do it there, not here, this is NOT the place. :cool:

[boban]

Ok, I started this, can I end it?

Please close, if possible?

Sorry, but that irks me more than anything. Closing a thread should be an absolute last resort. I don't think it should be done where a thread involves some degree of controversy.

And John, do you remember how it ended with that particular member who spat the dummy? My perception of it was that some where taking the micky, like they did with the pen turners. And for what its worth, I'll bet my last dollar that the majority of forumites would agree that pen turning is about as interesting as .........well, I'll let you finish the metaphor.

There is crap I don't like here and there. What I do like about both places is the majority of the people that frequent them, albeit unlike myself, they have many character flaws:D.

In my (as has been suggested by some) not so humble opinion (IMNSHO) the moderation has changed somewhat since I first joined up. So have some of the regular posters (not to mention the jokes forum). That is something we all have to get a handle on I would have thought. Nothing stays the same in my experience.

I remember the hijacked threads. That doesn't seem to happen anymore. In some cases, it is all for the better, but in others (especially where there is some wit involved) I don't think it is.

I know from my personal experience that I have hijacked a thread by responding to a poster by referring, in part, to what he said in another thread. IMNSHO, it was witty and I got a greeny for it too. For those who can remember, it was about cowboys. Well, that post was deleted. It wasn't offensive or objectionable on any grounds other than being "off topic" to the degree that it did not respond to the original question. Now I didn't agree with that.

That is why some people refer to this forum as being sterile. Some might say it is too serious.

Now I will defend the moderators (not that they need it) as it is one of those tasks that draws attention to an individual for mostly the wrong reasons. It can't be easy and I again thank them for their efforts.

So in conclusion, I would say that the filter has become somewhat too fine. That in turn has killed off some of the humour along with the undesirable crap.

Now I was thinking about buying a tablesaw. What do you reckon I can get for $100?:doh:

[Cliff Rogers]

....Now I was thinking about buying a tablesaw. What do you reckon I can get for $100?:doh:
A table or a saw but not both. :D

[pawnhead]

1. Never wrestle with a pig.I suppose that'll be the last I hear from you then.

oink (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y266/holgerdanske/Johnpig.jpg)

[Cliff Rogers]

I suppose that'll be the last I hear from you then.

oink (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y266/holgerdanske/Johnpig.jpg)
Never try to teach a pig to sing :D

[pawnhead]

And John, do you remember how it ended with that particular member who spat the dummy? I have no idea. I didn’t follow the thread after reading a page of the replies to my last post, and I haven’t bothered going back there.
And for what its worth, I'll bet my last dollar that the majority of forumites would agree that pen turning is about as interesting as .........well, I'll let you finish the metaphor. Well I don’t expect that any of them would want to emigrate then. Personally I reckon that the pens that they turn out look gorgeous, and anyone who receives them as a gift should think themselves a very lucky person, but I don’t want to start an argument with you over this.

IMNSHO, it was witty and I got a greeny for it too. For those who can remember, it was about cowboys. Well, that post was deleted. It wasn't offensive or objectionable on any grounds other than being "off topic" to the degree that it did not respond to the original question. Now I didn't agree with that.Yes I’ve had that happen to me as well. A member posted a picture and asked for a caption. I photochopped, and the member sent me a thumsup saying that it was funny in a PM. But it was deleted. I couldn’t see anything offensive in it.

There was another case where someone posted a thread about the shonky Nimrods that cost the lives of many British soldiers. Someone was trolling and said “Who gives a rats”. I posted something to the effect of ; “These soldiers have given their lives for their country and they deserve the utmost admiration and respect. Weather you agree or disagree with the policies of their govt. they are doing a dangerous job on behalf of all of us, and they deserve the best equipment and maintenance standards, and it’s scandalous that they’re not getting it.

If you have nothing constructive to add, then I’d suggest that you shut up and take your trolling attitude elsewhere.”
Both posts were deleted, but I think they should have stayed.

But then again, if I had my way then nothing would be deleted except for spam, and the place may well degenerate into a cesspit that no decent person would want to visit.

I respect the fact that this is not my forum and it’s not up to me to make the rules. I believe that there’s plenty of scope for humour here, and that this is the best forum that I’ve found to suit my tastes. The core subject of the forums is woodwork and related topics, and IMO you couldn’t find a better place if you’re interested in the subject, and you’re looking to gain knowledge, or to form friendships with like minded people.

Never try to teach a pig to sing :DYou don't have to teach me. I can sing quite well (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y266/holgerdanske/Johnpig-1.jpg). :D

[ubeaut]

:gaah:Jeez.... Ya go away for a few hours and what ya come back to.

Personally, I don't think this thread is deserving of either forum or the space it's taking up.

Pawnhead and others if you read my earlier post you will have seen that most moderation is done either by the poster or because we have received complaints from other members. There are people from all races, religions, and genders using these forums now and what you or I may think is fine, another group may be highly offended by. If a post is reported then in most instances it is acted on, this could be as simple as changing a word or could involve deleting the post and in the worst case giving an infraction.

From day one I have been strongly against almost any form of moderation or censorship. Personally I still am, however for a forum this size to survive and grow it must have some sense of decorum and in our case it's pretty much driven by the members themselves.

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Back to the thread "Where did the humour go"

Like it or not people, there is no them and us, because they are us and some of us are them.

Some seem to have missed the point completely. TheBlokeyShid has basically been responsible for the (perceived by some) recent lack of humor here. Funny thing though, I had a look in there a couple of days ago, after being sent a link and didn't see anything even remotely funny or worthy of being called humor. Just a whole heap of the same rubbish that we used to get here, only with a helping of foul language thrown in just for fun. Now I'm not a prude, far from it, I'll mix it with the best that anyone here or there can dish out, I also have a really good sense of humor, but try as I might I couldn't find the humor and was pretty disgusted with what I read.

No sour grapes, no feeling of being threatened or suffering from inferiority problems. Just a big thank you to TheBlokeyShid for giving our members a place let off steam and swear and carry on as blokes are sometimes want to do.

TheShid has also been responsible for people coming back to these forums because the hijacking has all but gone, the hazing and often unwelcoming replies to newies has all but gone, the boys club gang banging has all but gone and hopefully it won't make a return.

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Below are just 4 of the many responses I've received over the last couple of days from members who don't want to get into a bun fight or inflame the thread. I'm not fussed either way, anyone who wants a bun fight bring it on. I've been told I've got great buns.http://www.ubeaut.biz/bum.gif :rotfl:
The only people complaing are the ones that have gone to BS. Personally I don't give a f*ck what they think!!:((
so now they have to learn a more refined version of humour, one that is genuinely funny, not over the top hurtful or personally directed.
Yes the forums have changed "they evolved". For the better I think
There's humour:U and there's humour :rolleyes::B:no:, then there's drivel and hijacking people's thread which started with a question they wouldn't have asked if they didn't what to know/learn.In conclusion: For goodness sake people, lets build a bridge, get over it, get on with the woodwork and bury the hatchet....
Preferably in chunk of wood and not someones head. http://www.ubeaut.biz/smileyaxe.gif


Cheers - Neil :)

[pawnhead]

Points taken Neil.
Sorry for all the ruckus.
For goodness sake people, lets build a bridge, get over it, get on with the woodwork and bury the hatchet....
Hey Cliffy.

Sorry my hand's a bit dirty, but shake (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y266/holgerdanske/Shake.jpg)?

Cheers
Corky Pig

[Cliff Rogers]

Points taken Neil.
Sorry for all the ruckus.Hey Cliffy.

Sorry my hand's a bit dirty, but shake (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y266/holgerdanske/Shake.jpg)?

Cheers
Corky Pig

No problems, & contrary to what you might think, Ding is still a mate. :2tsup:


I post there & I post here, not everything here is funny to me & not everything there is funny to me.

You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Don't get caught trying to please yourself. :D

[pawnhead]

You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time.Lydgate's famous quote was actually somewhat different (http://armedprophet.blogspot.com/2003/07/brush-brush.html) to that, and Lincoln adapted a version substituting 'fool' for 'please'. But I'm being quite pedantic (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y266/holgerdanske/calculatedincorrectji8.jpg) now which is oft my bent, so feel free to reply with a healthy dose of derision. :wink:
Don't get caught trying to please yourself. :DAh, what's life without it's little (or in my case large) pleasures, but that's some wise advice there Cliffy. :2tsup:

Have a nice day. :)
Cheers

[John Saxton]

Some interesting discussion here about "where has the Humour gone" ,I dont think its gone in fact it has retained that same OZ compliment to taking the 'mickey' giving some of it but basically without intended offense.

Seen these forums grow somewhat and it is due to the work behind the scenes that moderators do that they're prepared to give so much of their own time in keeping the 6000 odd membership on an even keel. Imagine trying to do that without the impartiality and fairmindedness thats required so all credit goes to these guy's

I was once approached to Moderate but I could'nt give the time and obvious effort required due to events going on on a personal basis and therefore had to decline a gracious offer much my own dismay at the time as this forum can and does mean a lot in as much as it is a source of information,humility and jocular entertainment.

You would have to go along way to find a forum such as this with the overall content that it displays ...it is the reason I stay and enjoy.

Keep the hilarity,humour and the good natured banter entertaining as it always is.

Cheers:)

[ss_11000]

this thread took too long to read.:D

[dazzler]

Sorry, but that irks me more than anything. Closing a thread should be an absolute last resort. I don't think it should be done where a thread involves some degree of controversy.

And John, do you remember how it ended with that particular member who spat the dummy? My perception of it was that some where taking the micky, like they did with the pen turners. And for what its worth, I'll bet my last dollar that the majority of forumites would agree that pen turning is about as interesting as .........well, I'll let you finish the metaphor.

There is crap I don't like here and there. What I do like about both places is the majority of the people that frequent them, albeit unlike myself, they have many character flaws:D.

In my (as has been suggested by some) not so humble opinion (IMNSHO) the moderation has changed somewhat since I first joined up. So have some of the regular posters (not to mention the jokes forum). That is something we all have to get a handle on I would have thought. Nothing stays the same in my experience.

I remember the hijacked threads. That doesn't seem to happen anymore. In some cases, it is all for the better, but in others (especially where there is some wit involved) I don't think it is.

I know from my personal experience that I have hijacked a thread by responding to a poster by referring, in part, to what he said in another thread. IMNSHO, it was witty and I got a greeny for it too. For those who can remember, it was about cowboys. Well, that post was deleted. It wasn't offensive or objectionable on any grounds other than being "off topic" to the degree that it did not respond to the original question. Now I didn't agree with that.

That is why some people refer to this forum as being sterile. Some might say it is too serious.

Now I will defend the moderators (not that they need it) as it is one of those tasks that draws attention to an individual for mostly the wrong reasons. It can't be easy and I again thank them for their efforts.

So in conclusion, I would say that the filter has become somewhat too fine. That in turn has killed off some of the humour along with the undesirable crap.

Now I was thinking about buying a tablesaw. What do you reckon I can get for $100?:doh:

Brilliant Boban,

I wish I had your pensmanship. Thats what I have been trying to say :rolleyes:

cheers

dazzler

[Wild Dingo]

Where did the humour go?

Sorry to disappoint... but I havent gone anywhere! :2tsup: Im still here :doh: :U

Seriously? heck I'll give it a go no wukkers! :U

I reckon the humors still here hasnt changed buggar all... just you gotta wade through hundreds of threads to get the funny stuff is all... MATE! THIS PLACE HAS GROWN!! :o Humor is all around you... and us... the forum has a fair bit of fun and frivolity perhaps not as much as awhile back but well moderation takes its toll I guess but thats cool no worries...

For myself Im trying to contain my writings on the forums and letting rip in the blog area... Now THAT was a good idea Neil!! :2tsup: ...seems to make sence to do so thats all... that way I can let loose as much as I want an even go of track as far as I like hyjack myself shanghai myself... whatever... all without offending anyone... way I see it is that way I can keep pretty much on tack on the forums and the urge I have to write copious amounts to explain what Im saying is voided and I actually have started to get short concise and to the point :o ...occasionally :B hey Im tryin Im tryin!

As for the other place... well I havent been there for months and have no interest in doing so lifes too short to bother with somethings and thats one of them... I actually have no issues with anyone over there even one who thinks I have a problem with him I dont... well okay there is one but hey we cant please everyone and theres always gonna be one dipstick we dont get along with so thats cool no wukkers here... for the rest of the bods over there that come here theyre okay in my book... but me Im done with the thing and havent and wont go back there.

Sometimes when explosions happen and the plot is lost its best to come back after a time away to smooth the waters and over a short period let them know its over... then just walk away... saves a continued feud or angst or even perhaps feelings of hurt whatever it calms the waters and its all good again.

Gotta say one thing bout that though... sometimes... just sometimes its a bloody good feelin to just LET RIP! SPIT THE DUMMY! LOOSE THE PLOT! and generally tell all and sundry what you REALLY think :U

But the humor mate... its still here and if you cant find it your either not lookin hard enough or not typin!! :U

[Brickie]

As for the other place... well I havent been there for months and have no interest in doing so lifes too short to bother with somethings and thats one of them... I actually have no issues with anyone over there even one who thinks I have a problem with him I dont... well okay there is one but hey we cant please everyone and theres always gonna be one dipstick we dont get along with so thats cool no wukkers here... for the rest of the bods over there that come here theyre okay in my book... but me Im done with the thing and havent and wont go back there.



Shane.
Didnt you see Neils post?

The, them/us, we/not we.
Its a dead issue. :?

I really dont know why you lot keep going on about it? :?

I am a member of a F250 forum.
I am a member of a building forum.
I am a member of a photo forum.

So what?
Im a big boy, I can go where I please on the internet until my mummy takes my computer away from me.

The us/them issue, I just dont get it? :?

God gave us the internet so we can roam and learn.

[Cliff Rogers]

...I am a member of a F250 forum.....
There is an F250 forum???? How sick is that? :D