We Need To Make A Stand

[funkychicken]

Now I'm sorry this isn't about woodwork but I think it's very important.



Why are we so concerned about climate change when there is another far worse problem staring us in the face? It’s on the streets, it’s in the media, it’s become part of our lives and we just let it continue to grow.
We have developed a society that is constantly bombarding us with hyper-sexualised images and messages. Women, especially young ones, are no longer viewed as full human being, deserving of our respect, but as sex objects, devoid of feelings. The media has us believe that things like sex before marriage, abortion etc. are a win/win situation. The reality is that they’re not. They only contribute to the growing number of eating-disorders, self-harm and depression in young and old women alike.
It is now, in the time of darkness, that we need to make stand. We can only make a difference if we are Silent No Longer.

[Lignum]

Not to mention the rising costs of Dominos and the outragous price of Titebond111:wink:

[Burnsy]

and what about that fuel :? :? :? :?

maybe it would be cheaper if I rode a white horse :? :? :?

[journeyman Mick]

.............. We can only make a difference if we are Silent No Longer.

What about Silent C?:? :p

Mick

[Honorary Bloke]

So if we're to be Silent No Longer, what would you have us say? :?

Not to trivialise the subject matter, but your analysis of cause and effect is, to say the least, questionable. :)

[Christopha]

If I'm going to make a stand I usually prefer to use steel..... but if I'm going to TAKE a stand the it's a different thing altogether!

[dazzler]

Because sex before marriage is a christian belief and only effects christians.

Climate change effects us all. :)

[Gra]

I'm with him, if I cant get any inside marriage their not getting any outside:cool::cool:

(Wheres the tongue in cheek smiley?)

[glock40sw]

I'm with him, if I cant get any inside marriage their not getting any outside:cool::cool:

(Wheres the tongue in cheek smiley?)

Too bloody right Gra. I'm with you.:2tsup:
If I can't get any, them no-one else should either.:D

[Lignum]

And why dosnt Bakers Delight sell butter:?

[zenwood]

The eyes of blazing fire would only contribute to global warming, surely?

[Rocker]

Quite right; we need more pictures of Amanda Vanstone in the media, so that women are can congratulate themselves that their body doesn't look too bad after all:)

Rocker

[silentC]

You're right! It's time we made a stand against right-wing religious nutters! There are too many of them around and they have far too much say. :~

[woodbe]

Actually, let's take a stand against ALL religious nutters.

Oh yea, Men dominate religion, and often the status of women within those holy walls is still centuries worse off than where they are in general society. As a result, religion is the last place I'd look for inspiration on how to treat our womenfolk.

woodbe. (shutting up now in case I blurt out something about little boys and get myself into trouble) :D

[Zed]

lets just ban religion.

[echnidna]

That might happen if we have another world war.

[namtrak]

I am also sorry that this is not about woodwork and equally flippant.

I saw heaven standing open - the last person there forgot to lock up

and there before me was a white horse - obviously a reference to the horse with no name

whose rider is called Faithful and True. - this is just the most ridiculous name ever, what's his surname for crying out loud?

With justice he judges and makes war. - well of course, let's all pass a bit of judgement and start our own war

His eyes are like blazing fire, - stoned

and on his head are many crowns. - that would just look plain ridiculous

He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. - I thought his name was Faithful and True, what has he forgotten already? War does that I suppose

He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, - Ever heard of OMO? Or maybe Nappisan for those stubborn stains

and his name is the Word of God. - Hold on, I thought his name was Faithful and True? and then no-one knew? Is this done by deed poll?

The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean - This is obviously a reference to psychiatric nurses

[Wongo]

What about pen turning, poetry, Harry porter, P plate drivers, Indian telemarketers, the Mormon, … Lets ban them all.

Jail every Domino owner and execute every Triton user.

[silentC]

Hold on, I thought his name was Faithful and True? and then no-one knew? Is this done by deed poll?
According to this page (http://www.apocalipsis.org/t19-rider.htm), he is clearly Jesus. Clearly? If it was Jesus, why didn't they just say so? Dunno why they have to shroud all this stuff in mystery. No wonder there are so many arguments...

[MurrayD99]

Why would He make his re-appearance in this forum? This just don't add. Is it Friday or something? Isn't White Horse a brand of hard liquor? So many questions.... ".........coming in wrath upon the earth" I can understand that bit. I would toooooo...

[AlexS]

I've managed to scare away the Jehova's Witnesses; I've beaten the letterbox-droppers by threatening to beat the bejehovas out of them if they ever litter my box again; I've sooled the do-not-call registry on to the local real estate agent, and I've trapped sufficient stray cats to send Wongo to weight-watchers for a year. I'm just managing to get my environment to conform to my liking, when along comes a proselytising prude who considers it necessary to pollute my favourite woodwork site with his prattle and religious superstition.

I'm not going to argue with you. My religious and moral views, if I have any, are mine. I'll live by them, but I wont inflict them on someone else, and I'll thank you to show me the same respect.

[namtrak]

Well some people have way too much time on their hands (maybe I should get some of you to test drive a website Im working on), anyway this is a link (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rossuk/AdamEve.htm) from the site which does the bible translations to someone whose wholesome story is about being cured of homosexuality - go figure!!

[namtrak]

.....Dunno why they have to shroud all this stuff in mystery....

What sort of bible would it be if all it said was ....Be Good... I mean who would buy a book with just two words in it? How long would a sermon go if all the preacher could say was " And God besoke us and he said unto the punters ... BE GOOD...." - no money in that endeavour!

[glock40sw]

lets just ban religion.


Zed for PM :2tsup: :2tsup: :2tsup:

[craigb]

Maybe some lurker could register as Silent_No_Longer? It would be a great screen name I reckon.

[Gra]

Zed for PM :2tsup: :2tsup: :2tsup:

gotta be better then the monkey we have now:U:U

[Gra]

Maybe some lurker could register as Silent_No_Longer? It would be a great screen name I reckon.

I always like the idea of calling myself silent_majority

[Wongo]

Maybe some lurker could register as Silent_No_Longer? It would be a great screen name I reckon.

No thanks. One silent is more than enough.:U

[Burnsy]

According to this page (http://www.apocalipsis.org/t19-rider.htm), he is clearly Jesus.


Why would He make his re-appearance in this forum?

Because it's a woodwork forum and he was a Carpenter:p



I really don't care for religion, as far as I am concerend it is for the weak of mind but I don't try and push my beliefs on others so I wish they would stop trying t do it to me. Ban relgious signatures I say, it is just another form of door knocking and is wasting band~ .

[bitingmidge]

Ban relgious signatures I say, it is just another form of door knocking and is wasting band~ .

So what you are saying is, freedom of speech for all unless you don't agree with it?

I wasn't going to respond to this thread, which of course was the option open to you all, but how is this a greater waste of time than reading pen threads ad nauseum? :D

I think we should compromise:
Zed for Pope!

P
:p

[Sebastiaan56]

Now I'm sorry this isn't about woodwork but I think it's very important.

Im sorry too

[namtrak]

.....I wasn't going to respond to this thread.......

But you did :D

[pawnhead]

When I read this thread just after it was posted, I just grabbed some popcorn and put my feet up. What a load of crap. I'm still trying to work out that thread of his in A Woodies Yarn (http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=53190).

Sure, live and let live, but people don't generally take to being preached at by right wing religious nutters, so they just take the instead. Honestly funkychicken, what response did you expect to get from a bunch of heathens like us? Reasoned debate? :U

Never mind FC, Jesus loves ya (http://sidesplitters.catastrophe.net/arch/2006/jesusLovesYa.jpg), and we'll all burn in hell. :dev:

[MurrayD99]

....... people don't generally take to being preached at by right wing religious nutters ......... :U

:dev:


Not overstruck on the left-wing variety either......:U

[Sturdee]

I'd like to know if this funkychicken is a battery hen or free range. If free range then please lock her up with the other funkychooks.


Peter.

[AlexS]

lets just ban religion.

Amen to that!

[Grunt]

Zed for Pope!

Zed on a rope?

[ozwinner]

You guys are all worth bottling, consider your selves bottled.

Al :2tsup::cool::2tsup::cool::2tsup:

[Burnsy]

I think we should compromise:
Zed for Pope!


:2tsup: :2tsup:


....... people don't generally take to being preached at by right wing religious nutters .........


Not overstruck on the left-wing variety either......:U

I don't want either of my nutts winged or struck:p

[Andy Mac]

We have developed a society...Women, especially young ones, are no longer viewed as full human being.... but as sex objects, devoid of feelings.

Just as well that sort of thing never happened before...with no child brides, arranged marriages, or raping 'n' pillaging. Bring back the good old days I say!:rolleyes:

[Brown Dog]

Having just started reading "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins....Ive been itchin for a friendly dicussion (read: argument:boxing5: :U ) on the value of religion...but you all seem to have the view point I do.....bummer :shrug: . Where's a Morman when ya need one :whistling2:

cheers
BD:2tsup:

[pawnhead]

Ive been itchin for a friendly dicussion (read: argument:boxing5: :U ) on the value of religion...but you all seem to have the view point I do.....bummer :shrug: . The problem is that you can never win. Especially with these creationist, world is only 10,000 yrs old type wackos that take the bible literally.

Logic, reasoning and scientific empirical evidence have nothing to do with it. They either ignore all your points, or they just say 'God made it so'.

It's like talking to a brick wall. :banghead:

[Brown Dog]

The problem is that you can never win. Especially with these creationist, world is only 10,000 yrs old type wackos that take the bible literally.

I know you can never win.....but it would be fun to have answers they cant argue with :; .

Logic, reasoning and scientific empirical evidence have nothing to do with it. They either ignore all your points, or they just say 'God made it so'.

I dont know about that...theists love to spout off about Darwinism, evolution etc, citing things like "irreducible complexity", "gaps in fossil records" and the like as a case for creationism. Dawkins, from what I have read so far, has covered it all...even using contradictions in the bible to support his case



cheers
BD:2tsup:

[Honorary Bloke]

Where's a Morman when ya need one :whistling2:

cheers
BD:2tsup:

We've got plenty. I'd start with Salt Lake City. That's where the Queen Bee lays her eggs. :wink: :rolleyes:

[Brown Dog]

We've got plenty. I'd start with Salt Lake City. That's where the Queen Bee lays her eggs. :wink: :rolleyes:

Is that where they get their magic underpants too ?:D

cheers
BD:2tsup:

[Lignum]

What ever happend to Funkychicken:?

[Honorary Bloke]

What ever happend to Funkychicken:?

I think he escaped the chook house. :D Maybe it's Meringandan. Is there something in the water up there? :wink:

[Lignum]

I think he escaped the chook house. :D Maybe it's Meringandan. Is there something in the water up there? :wink:

Its whats in the water thats sprinkled on the Mushrooms:-

[Tex79]

Isn't taking drugs frowned upon by all religions? I think someone forgot to tell FC shhhhhh

[silentC]

The problem is that you can never win.
It is pointless to debate with someone about whether or not their invisible friend is real. All the logic and science in the world wont help you. Their belief hinges upon their faith that he exists despite all evidence to the contrary, so it is an argument that cannot be won, because there is no way you can prove that he does not exist.

The creationists expend a lot of energy on debunking the theory of evolution and others. Even if they can come up with convincing proof that a theory is wrong, all that proves is that theory is wrong, it doesn't prove that their invisible friend exists.

So neither side of the argument can ever win (unless he comes down here and sets us straight). Therefore you're wasting your energy debating it.

[meerkat]

Zed on a rope?
Yeah ok pull the other one:p

[bitingmidge]

Therefore you're wasting your energy debating it.
If debate was a waste of energy, then why do we log on here? :D

On the other hand, the bigotry shown by many of the detractors on this thread never ceases to amaze me. I sometimes wonder if they express themselves so strongly because they are afraid that maybe there may be something in this "faith" business.

Read some of the responses objectively and ask who the zealots are.

Are they the one(s) who are promoting a particular line of religious thought?

Or are they the ones who so ferociously want those stamped out?

The bottom line to me is that in this country I have a right to believe as I wish, and I respect the fact that others believe differently, but I am bemused by the intolerance of the bigots on both sides! Just what are they afraid of?

Cheers,

P
:;

[silentC]

I didn't say debate was a waste of energy, just this one. Besides, it's against the rules :no:

But like I always say, if the tree you're hiding behind is too small, get a bigger one :p

[Bleedin Thumb]

On the other hand, the bigotry shown by many of the detractors on this thread never ceases to amaze me.
The bottom line to me is that in this country I have a right to believe as I wish, and I respect the fact that others believe differently, but I am bemused by the intolerance of the bigots on both sides! Just what are they afraid of?

Cheers,

P
:;


Very well said. I think its the anonymity of an internet forum that makes us all a little more prone to forget our usual social manners from time to time.... Well actually there are some here that hide behind this anonymity to express their truelly bigotted beliefs..... but... it is a public forum so a religous bigot has the right to express themself as does the etheist bigot.

I just wish someone should blow up all bigots.. painful deaths to every last one of them:D

[Cliff Rogers]

If debate was a waste of energy, then why do we log on here? :D .......

À la masse d'en de discussion peut-être? :rolleyes: (cryptic)

[namtrak]

.......the bigotry shown by many of the detractors on this thread never ceases to amaze me......

I thought you weren't gonna post in this thread? :D

At the end of the day I normally keep my religious opinions to myself, each to their own and all that......However this lad/lady demanded a call to action because in his/her words

"The media has us believe that things like sex before marriage, abortion etc. are a win/win situation. The reality is that they’re not. They only contribute to the growing number of eating-disorders, self-harm and depression".

Which in itself is, I believe, an outrageous display of bigotry. And therefore opened him/her up for merciless ridicule. And ergo rather than stick the slipper into the "call to arms" I chose to mock the ridiculous signature. This is nothing I wouldn't say to someone face to face, if they served up the same sort of emotive tripe as this one did. I mean how many people do you know walk around prefacing everything they say with a quote from Revelations?

[MurrayD99]

Having just started reading "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins....Ive been itchin for a friendly dicussion (read: argument:boxing5: :U ) on the value of religion...but you all seem to have the view point I do.....bummer :shrug: . Where's a Morman when ya need one :whistling2:

cheers
BD:2tsup:

I am reading it too. Also bought The Ancestor's Tale and am sort of reading them in parallel. What I don't get is how supremely educated people can take completely different positions (putting the Pope one side and Dawkins the other). I mean, logically, they can't both be correct and the evidence for a billion years of evolution seems more compelling than the men on the white horses.... Perhaps it is a case of a bob each way (don't mean you, Hon. Bob) but religion sure has a lot to answer for, including in my case a lot of Sunday mornings.....

[Wongo]

Today, we are going to make a stand. However, before we use any power tools, let’s talk about shop safety….:D

[Cliff Rogers]

... let’s talk about shop safety….:D
Never use a petard near your hoist. :2tsup:

[Rocker]

Today, we are going to make a stand. However, before we use any power tools, let’s talk about shop safety….:D

Wongo,

You have been watching far too much American TV. This is just the sort of thing that leads to the degradation of women. When did you ever see a woman on Norm Abrams' program? It's shocking, and something ought to be done about it. We have been silent for far too long.

Rocker

[NCArcher]

Never use a petard near your hoist. :2tsup:
I'll admit I had to look that up. But good advice none the less Cliff.
Oh and in my opinion FC is spouting a lot rubbish but if you don't agree with him then ignore him. He certainly knows how to bait a hook though:doh:

[woodbe]

A bigot is a prejudiced (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice) person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own.

This raises an interesting point. Who decides who the bigots are, and when does that person then fit the description of being a bigot themselves?

What I'm getting at is, bitingmidge suggests some of the detractors of FC's initial post are bigots, but in so doing he himself displays a level of intolerance towards those detractors. (no midge, I'm not calling you a bigot :D )

Ultimately, we are all potential bigots, even the most broad minded of us have a limit. At some point, the 'disagree but respect your right' position runs out of legs...

woodbe.

[Grunt]

On the other hand, the bigotry shown by many of the detractors on this thread never ceases to amaze me.

I'm not a bigot. I hate everyone equally.

[Bleedin Thumb]

Hence my suggestion ...we should blow up all bigots!:D

The only downside of this is that it would leave only non bigots alive....

They could sit around and think pure thoughts... and everything would be just peachy.................sounds like heaven.:rolleyes:

Theres no heated discussions, no differences of opinion in heaven.... they must give you a frontal lobotomy as you're passing through those gates:oo:

[Gra]

Hence my suggestion ...we should blow up all bigots! Its official BT is Ted Bullpit.....:q:q:U

[Bleedin Thumb]

I thought it was a Monty python line............don't tell me I've been quoting Ted Bullpit!!!!!!!!! :club:

[bitingmidge]

When did you ever see a woman on Norm Abrams' program? It's shocking, and something ought to be done about it. We have been silent for far too long.

Rocker,

The fact that you've never seen a woman on Norm's Show doesn't mean they aren't there doing valuble jobs behind the scenes.

Who do you think brings the beer, and cleans up afterwards??

P
:D :D :D

[Gra]

I thought it was a Monty python line............don't tell me I've been quoting Ted Bullpit!!!!!!!!! :club:

Ted Bullpits favorite say was "Some should blow XXX up" XXX being whatever annoyed him usually the nuns up the road or the kids from the catholic school.

[Cliff Rogers]

We could also hoist them with a petard but I used them all up & it is done to death anyway..... What's for lunch?

[MurrayD99]

We could also hoist them with a petard but I used them all up & it is done to death anyway..... What's for lunch?


You can have lunch tomorrow.... if you are out of stock on petards, someone on your staff should contact the manufacturers (in Taiwan?) and get an urgent requisition actioned:D

[Sebastiaan56]

Hence my suggestion ...we should blow up all bigots!:D

I agree "Kill all extremists!" But lets leave a few bigots around, its fun playing the name and shame game.

And dont worry Funky, there will come a time and then they'll all know. brew ha ha ha ha.... And as John Belushi said "well... me and the Lord... We've got this thing going..."

Sebastiaan

[Brown Dog]

Isn't taking drugs frowned upon by all religions? I think someone forgot to tell FC shhhhhh


Not all religions

Some actually get preferential treatment in relation to the use of drugs

US supreme court ruled that a New mexican church should be exempt from the law, which everyone else has to obey.
http://www.oyez.org/cases/2000-2009/2005/2005_04_1084/

something I didnt know before reading Dawkins





I didn't say debate was a waste of energy, just this one. Besides, it's against the rules :no:




I disagree this debate is a waste of energy. The above info is one example of why I think this is so.

IMO religion gets a little to much quiet respect. Whats wrong with asking questions ? and debating the answers you are given ?

I also dont see how respectful debate is against the rules.


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It is pointless to debate with someone about whether or not their invisible friend is real. All the logic and science in the world wont help you. Their belief hinges upon their faith that he exists despite all evidence to the contrary, so it is an argument that cannot be won, because there is no way you can prove that he does not exist.


why is it pointless ?...Your right there is no conclusive proof that a creationist God does not exist, any scientist will agree...based on scientific evidence. However the scientific evidence that is available suggests that the case for evolution is a lot more probable. That is worth debating I think, especially imagining what the consequences would be if every part of daily life was infiltrated by religion :o . As an atheist I could imagine I personally would be in a bit of trouble if that were to ever happen. While Europe (and you could maybe include Australia) is becoming incresingly secular, You only need to look at the US or the middle east to see examples of how pervasive and powerful a force religion is.

Debate raises consciousness and I think that that fact means it is never a waste of energy.

cheers
BD:2tsup:

[Bleedin Thumb]

We could also hoist them with a petard but I used them all up & it is done to death anyway..... What's for lunch?


You know what you can do with your ....... petard don't you cliff?:D

No Gra, the reference I was alluding to was from the monty python scene about the peoples liberation front/ the front for the peoples liberation etc etc I cant even remember if it was a movie or off the TV show...come on Cliff make yourself useful and refresh my memory.

[AlexS]

FC, I may disagree intensely with your opinions, but I will fight to the death (or morning tea, whichever comes first) for your right to expose yourself to ridicule and merciless p!ss-taking by posting them in a woodwork forum.

(The above is not true, but it sounds reasonable.)

[silentC]

why is it pointless ?
It's pointless because you are never going to convince a believer that they are wrong to believe. You may come to realise that one day, or you may just go banging on and on about it. Up to you, but I reckon it's a waste of energy.

I also dont see how respectful debate is against the rules.

Discussing religion on this forum is frowned upon, as you will no doubt find out if this keeps going much longer.

Edit: And by the way, as an agnostic, I find your atheist stance every bit as illogical as Funky Chicken's. So there you go :)

[Sebastiaan56]

You know what you can do with your ....... petard don't you cliff?:D

No Gra, the reference I was alluding to was from the monty python scene about the peoples liberation front/ the front for the peoples liberation etc etc I cant even remember if it was a movie or off the TV show...come on Cliff make yourself useful and refresh my memory.


You mean those b@rstards in the Popular Peoples Front of Judea! Life of Brian, personally Im with Reg who's not going because of his crook knee....

Sebastiaan

[NCArcher]

I thought it was the People of Judeas Popular Front.......I'll take a bag of otter's noses thankyou.

[MurrayD99]

You mean those b@rstards in the Popular Peoples Front of Judea! Life of Brian, personally Im with Reg who's not going because of his crook knee....

Sebastiaan

That was a blasphemous movie and yer'll all get struck down:o But the response to the mis-heard statement re the meek inheriting the earth wasn't bad.... "The Greeks; what'd the Greeks ever do for us..." Is this a tangent?

[Brown Dog]

It's pointless because you are never going to convince a believer that they are wrong to believe.



why not people are free to change their minds....I used to believe in Santa :p .



Discussing religion on this forum is frowned upon, as you will no doubt find out if this keeps going much longer


That is my point about too much quiet respect. Its not just this forum, the same applies pretty much anywhere. Im not saying people cant believe or shouldnt be allowed to believe, I would just stand up for the right to debate belief.



I find your atheist stance every bit as illogical

how exactly ?

cheers
BD:2tsup:

[Grunt]

Is it Friday already?

[Cliff Rogers]

......come on Cliff make yourself useful and refresh my memory.
I can't find it in the script (http://www.serve.com/bonzai/monty/films/MontyPythonsLifeofBrian).... I think you made it up. (or remembered it from Kingswood Country :D )

[Sebastiaan56]

The meek dont want it,

Sebastiaan

[Cliff Rogers]

Is it Friday already?
Almost I'd say. :rolleyes:

[AlexS]

The meek dont want it,

Sebastiaan
So give it to the cheesemakers.

[Ruddigar]

Is it Friday already?
What happens on Friday? :? :?

[silentC]

why not people are free to change their minds
OK, well let us know how you go with your evangelism :wink:


too much quiet respect
It's not so much that religion is given too much respect (in fact it's quite the opposite I reckon) it's that the debates inevitably become heated and it all comes down to a person's right to believe what they want. I'm all for it personally, I agree 100% that too much religious interference in day to day life is a bad thing.


how exactly ?
Because an atheist has no more proof that god does not exist (or is dead) than a theist does that he exists (or is alive). So making absolute statements one way or the other without proof is, to me, illogical. It's like saying "there is/is not life on other planets" rather than "there could be life on other planets".

[Ruddigar]

Because an atheist has no more proof that god does not exist (or is dead) than a theist does that he exists (or is alive). So making absolute statements one way or the other without proof is, to me, illogical. It's like saying "there is/is not life on other planets" rather than "there could be life on other planets".

:?
I'm confused. Is there life on other planets or not?

Don't theoretise (new word?) this time, Darren. Just a simple answer. Life on other planets: Yes or No?
:?

[Grunt]

God is a 6000' tall Red Jelly Bean.

[silentC]

Is there life on other planets or not?
I don't know. Do you? :p

I've met a few people who seem to be from another planet, so it could be true.

[Grunt]

Life on other planets: Yes or No?

The answer is maybe. We will never have a definitive 'No'. We might have a definitive 'Yes'.

[Cliff Rogers]

...Don't theoretise (new word?) this time, Darren. Just a simple answer. ....
Uh oh.... I smell a petard... look out for your hoist!!!

[Wongo]

God is in jail.


That’s where Paris Hilton found him.

[Ruddigar]

God is a 6000' tall Red Jelly Bean.
Pish. The closest thing we have to a God is the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Surely you've been touched by his noodly appendage?

[Cliff Rogers]

....Surely you've been touched by his noodly appendage?
I use a spoon.

[Gra]

God is in jail.


That’s where Paris Hilton found him.

didn't know he was lost....

He seems a bit like Wally, everyone seems to be finding him all over the place

[Gra]

I use a spoon.


oh no Cliff is THE FLEA

[Brown Dog]

OK, well let us know how you go with your evangelism :wink:

edit: I dont think evangelism is the correct word to decribe my argument I have said nothing in relation to the the gospel and its teachings.

I prefer to think of it as consciousness raising...as I said before :wink:

It's not so much that religion is given too much respect (in fact it's quite the opposite I reckon) it's that the debates inevitably become heated and it all comes down to a person's right to believe what they want. I'm all for it personally, I agree 100% that too much religious interference in day to day life is a bad thing.

with that point Im not debating a persons right to belief in anything....just (as I have already said ) the right to debate and question that belief. Examples can be given where religion does get preferential treatment.

debates inevitably become heated

that applies to anything, its not just religion specific as we have seen from the great sharpening debate :wink: . I certainly have no intention of becoming heated :) . Its all just in good fun

Because an atheist has no more proof that god does not exist (or is dead) than a theist does that he exists (or is alive). So making absolute statements one way or the other without proof is, to me, illogical. ".

Proof is such a finite word....I prefer evidence. It might be symantics to some, but in my argument it is important. I never said I have proof that god does not exist...I said evidence points too or is more on the side of, ie more probable that he doesnt. As an agnostic you sit on the fence, as a confessed athiest I stand on the side of the fence that currently has the most evidence. When or if the evidence swings the other way I will believe in a creationist god. My beliefs are by no means what could be called fundamentaly athiest....I have already admitted that by saying I agree there is no conclusive proof god does not exist, without that proof I cant definitivley say there is no god, I believe no one can

It's like saying "there is/is not life on other planets" rather than "there could be life on other planets

On that point I am agnostic :D :rolleyes:




who said religion cant be argued logically

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Then you are a 'weak atheist' which is more like an agnostic than a 'strong atheist'. A strong atheist denies the existence of god/s.

Evidence is not proof. You cannot say this is because I have evidence. You can use the evidence to attempt to prove or disprove your hypothesis. There is evidence for god, there is evidence against. I find the evidence against more compelling but there is no proof (nor do I believe there ever can be). You can call that sitting on the fence if you want, but I wont be compelled to make a decision one way or the other.

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I can't find it in the script (http://www.serve.com/bonzai/monty/films/MontyPythonsLifeofBrian).... I think you made it up. (or remembered it from Kingswood Country :D )

No I looked it up and couldn't find either...Looks like it must have been Ted.:(


And also if there is not life on other planets who the hell was driving that flying saucer?

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IMO religion gets a little to much quiet respect. Whats wrong with asking questions ? and debating the answers you are given ?

I also dont see how respectful debate is against the rules.
'Snot the debate that's against the rules. It's the subject matter that ruffles a few feathers.

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