Why Are Some People With Very High IQ Just Plain Stupid?

[echnidna]

Why Are Some People With Very High IQ Just Plain Stupid?

[Big Shed]

Why Are Some People With Very High IQ Just Plain Stupid?

Because there is a difference between being clever and smart?

[wheelinround]

Like the engineer who hasn't got a clue about motors
The maths teacher who can't explain how they got the answer

[AlexS]

Why Are Some People With Very High IQ Just Plain Stupid?

Because it's our prerogative.:D

[echnidna]

Because it's our prerogative.:D

I was just going to watch this thread and say nuthin but this reply deserves a :2tsup: :2tsup: :2tsup: :2tsup:

[bsrlee]

Because the poor buggers haven't been exposed to 'real life' - they are generally ostracised at school by the students and frequently their parents are either 'intellectual' and or non-physical types, so they don't get much exposure there.

I went to school with one fellow, he got the all-time record average mark at Uni in first year. Definitely a non-starter at any sports (I wasn't much better either) or other social activities. Last I heard of him he was an engineering boffin somewhere outside of Melbourne.

[Article99]

It's simply education beyond intelligence, lads. Nothing more, nothing less.

[markharrison]

See also EQ.

[scooter]

Educated DHs my old man calls them.

[Gingermick]

Do you mean stupid or ignorant? Please give us an example.

[Barry_White]

A lot of them have no COMMON sense.

[Harry72]

Yep some are real bright... we've had a top honcho metallurgist trying to get a sample of dross using a plastic scoop into a plastic bag... :no:derrrrr the dross is 450° surely you could feel the heat coming off it from 20' away!
Another one doing a process commission asked me why his air driven lead pump was going so slow... god knows how but he had got the fittings to connect it up to a gas line, lucky there was no ignition source:flamed:!

[Capt. Zero]

Anyone know when the 5 o'clock news starts?

[FXST01]

Anyone know when the 5 o'clock news starts?

Going by our local stations, about quarter past 5. :D

[Sebastiaan56]

Actually common sense is anything but (or is that butt?). Its just having someone who agrees with you.

Sebastiaan

[wheelinround]

Why Are Some People With Very High IQ Just Plain Stupid?

Mostly so they can fit in with the rest of the world.

What is an high IQ someone who goes to UNI and is taught or those who have either taught themselves or from life experiences

What would you do Ecnidna if you had an High IQ :U

[les88]

It's lonely at the top..:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
les

[silentC]

IQ has nothing to do with education, so it's very possible for someone to have a high IQ and be poorly educated or vice versa.

You certainly never want to assume that just because someone has earned a degree they must have a high IQ.

Maybe that answers your question...

[wheelinround]

IQ has nothing to do with education, so it's very possible for someone to have a high IQ and be poorly educated or vice versa.

You certainly never want to assume that just because someone has earned a degree they must have a high IQ.

Maybe that answers your question...

So all those educational experts are just that hasbeensdripsunderpreasure

[silentC]

Well, IQ is supposed to be a measure of intelligence and it is used to predict your potential. Someone might have a high IQ but it is then up to them what they do with it. So if they have a high IQ but no motivation to learn anything, they can end up being really good at crossword puzzles but useless at anything practical.

Someone might have a low IQ but be really motivated to learn - they find it harder and it takes them longer to develop an understanding but they get there in the end.

And then there is the situation in universities which seem to be focused on results these days, pumping out degrees in high volume. So you have all these supposedly highly educated people wandering around without a clue because either they haven't been pushed to reach their full potential, or they have been allowed to scrape through to keep the stats up.

And then there are people like me :D

[Zed]

and what are people like u like SC?

[silentC]

You would never understand, Zed :p

[wheelinround]

What I find amazing is what is used to determine IQ's
why is it that more dropouts are rich $$$???

[Cliff Rogers]

.... supposedly highly educated people wandering around without a clue ......
And then there are people like me :D


and what are people like u like SC?


You would never understand, Zed :p

I'll have a go at it...
It would have to be something along the lines of...
'You don't have to be highly educated to be clueless.' :D

[silentC]

I would have to be something along the lines of...
'You don't have to be highly educated to be clueless.'

You said it, mate :)

[Cliff Rogers]

Good pick up. :wink:

[Gingermick]

why is it that more dropouts are rich $$$???

More opportunities to squander

[kekemo]

Itallect, mind psyche, conception, rationality...inspiration, sheer brilliance, genius, mensa, apitude, intuition, giftedness, wits, nous........

....all depends if you can read instructions on life ...... live it. Live it well. Don't hurt others.
....if they don't have a shed..... they definitely wont understand .... don't borrow....don't lend....don't waste time trying to figure it all out.....

Common us?...no way....elite woodworkers....tried to get a Doctor to read his own writing or a lawyer to use a hammer.....LOL
(oh that wasn't fair, I like my Doctor... he just keeps perscribing me Codine....mmm.... what's my medi alert bracelet say...der...that's why they write it in BIG RED letters on my file....) so he's colour blind & can't read....so what?

Idiot savante's?....answer that one... it's all crossed wires....it's how we choose to live with what we learn.... & how we choose to treat others.... IQ is just a rating for those who wish to be put their ???? on a totum pole...

opps sorry got bit carried away with this... treat people kindly...learn what you can....help when you can .... I Quietly pass through life with the wisdom God gave me... learning how he wants me to use it...
.....bye
KEKEMO

[Manuka Jock]

There is a vast difference between Intelligence , and academic ability .
The first two earthlings into space were academics ,
one was a monkey , the other was a dog ....... :D

[Wongo]

I have high IQ because I read Financial Review.:cool:

[Bleedin Thumb]

My head hurts.

[Sebastiaan56]

I have high IQ because I read Financial Review.:cool:

Rats, I just look at the pictures

Sebastiaan

[Wongo]

Anyone know when the 5 o'clock news starts?

:think: Sorry can't help you. There is no TV guide in my Financial review.

[Gra]

:think: Sorry can't help you. There is no TV guide in my Financial review.
Yes but did you read Alex yesterday........ He has been watching me, its my job he is talking about

[jmk89]

Why Are Some People With Very High IQ Just Plain Stupid?
Because high IQ just means that you are good at doing IQ tests. You can make sure anyone will get a high score by teaching them how to do the tests.

One reason is that they are culturally biased - they depend on common experiences of persons in Western (esp US) society. You can be a very smart Papuan, but you can't get a good IQ score unless you can understand what the educational psychologist from Ohio who put the test together was talking about (imagine how you would go if the test depended on the sort of common knowledge and cultural assumptions that Papuan natives have and we based our IQ tests on that common knowledge and those cultural assumptions).

[silentC]

Nobody is stopping the Papuans from developing their own intelligence test based on their cultural experiences and common knowledge!

As you know, the scores are standardised, so you could easily conduct this test in Papua and have it reflect the situation there. Of course the test would have to be adjusted to be specific to them. This is a matter of translation. It would be pointless to try to compare Papuan results with Australian results but the whole point of it is to fit people into the bell curve as a predictor of what their academic performance might be. It's all relative.

Where it falls down is if you try to compare Papuans with Australians in the same test group. Of course the Papuans will generally score lower. But if you standardised the scores for Papuans and then compared them to the standardised scores for Australians, you might be getting somewhere.

This is probably why IQ ratings don't really mean much to anyone anymore. Except Mensa.

[Bleedin Thumb]

(imagine how you would go if the test depended on the sort of common knowledge and cultural assumptions that Papuan natives have and we based our IQ tests on that common knowledge and those cultural assumptions).



And they were written in pigeon!:oo:

[echnidna]

Nobody is stopping the Papuans from developing their own intelligence test based on their cultural experiences and common knowledge!

As you know, the scores are standardised, so you could easily conduct this test in Papua and have it reflect the situation there. Of course the test would have to be adjusted to be specific to them. This is a matter of translation. It would be pointless to try to compare Papuan results with Australian results but the whole point of it is to fit people into the bell curve as a predictor of what their academic performance might be. It's all relative.

Where it falls down is if you try to compare Papuans with Australians in the same test group. Of course the Papuans will generally score lower. But if you standardised the scores for Papuans and then compared them to the standardised scores for Australians, you might be getting somewhere.

This is probably why IQ ratings don't really mean much to anyone anymore. Except Mensa.

wot if we compared Qldrs to sydneysiders - predictions ???
(I'll leave Vic outa the equation as we really don't wanna humilate the feeble sydney crowd)

[silentC]

Well, if the test was 20 years old, the QLDers would probably come out on top!

[Wongo]

Should compare to the Kiwis then we will all get a good score. :spyme:

[bitingmidge]

If one had a high IQ, one would hardly waste one's time responding to this thread methinks.

P
:wink:

[bitingmidge]

If one had a high IQ, one would hardly waste one's time responding to this thread methinks.

P
:wink:

Bugger!

P
:p

[DaveInOz]

If one had a high IQ, one would hardly waste one's time responding to this thread methinks.

P
:wink:

correct and as such i will not.

[Gingermick]

I have high IQ because I read Financial Review.:cool:

I have a high IQ because I don't read the Financial Times:oo:

[Cliff Rogers]

wot if we compared Qldrs to sydneysiders -

What about the rest of the State???? :?

What if we compared somebody from Whoop Whoop to somebody from the big smoke?

[wheelinround]

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1921/einstein-bio.html
had an high IQ so much so he worked out the best way to get woman was con the USA to give them to him.................today he'd be surfing the nets XXX links

http://www.mos.org/leonardo/ Leonardo well with all the hype about a code and over a painting created some hundreds of years after Christ and the last supper ..........all for a Chalace/Cup/Goblet which possibly was made from wood by a wood turner which has it's own legends.

The wood turner knew it had to last a few thousand years shows they haveto have high IQ's

[echnidna]

What about the rest of the State???? :?



Dunno, how much you gunna pay for it? :D

[HappyHammer]

A lot of them have no COMMON sense.
Nail on head...:2tsup:

HH.

[Manuka Jock]

Should compare to the Kiwis then we will all get a good score. :spyme:

Yep , you got the right idea , ya cheeky bugga . DUCK :U

[Rossluck]

The funny thing about IQ tests, and something that isn't often discussed, is that there are several different brands, with similarly different scales. So someone might peak out at 115 on one scale, and someone from another scale might have an IQ of 160 or something. This in itself makes them a relatively useless mode of measurement.

I also resent the insinuation that we Queenslanders are backward. If I knew Silent's local PMG office I'd send a telegraph of complaint.:((

[AlexS]

And they were written in pigeon!:oo:

Olsem wanem, wantok?

[echnidna]

yeah why not?

[joe greiner]

However measured, real intelligence usually correlates with curiosity and inquisitiveness, thus enhances ability to learn. But if the desire to learn is completely satisfied by the academic experience, stupidity in everything else is sure to follow, especially in those topics that are "beneath" them. [Some haven't been blessed with humble origins, and aren't even aware of the common sense nature of things; and some who have too often reject that knowledge base.

Ideally, advanced learning would include an awareness that the new knowledge is only the tip of the iceberg; as I like to say, "The more you learn, the less you know."

For the rest of us, it probably just boils down to limited resources, especially time available after meeting our responsibilities. Applies to our teachers and mentors too, of course, and the wisdom I suggested above doesn't come through.

The only explanation I can think of for Harry's metallurgist, is that all his knowledge crowded out the more practical. Sometimes too, we get so focussed on the immediate mission we forget such things.

Just my 2 cents worth.]

Joe

[silentC]

The son of a friend of ours was 'diagnosed' as a gifted child in early school. He was put on special education programmes to keep the fuel up to the fire and he had a great interest in various sciences etc. from an early age.

One day at school assembly, he was to be given an award for academic achievement. The principal gave a short speech and then invited him to come up to the podium to receive his award. He didn't move, just stood there looking confused. One of the teachers went over to him and said "why don't you go up and receive your award". He replied: "I can't move, I've tied my shoelaces together and can't get them undone."

True story.

[Wongo]

:D

Hmmmm makes you think. :roll:

[Wongo]

What about this 7 year old kid in Hong Kong in the early 80s. He was also 'diagnosed' as a gifted child. He could do additions and subtractions faster then someone who used a calculator. He was on TV all the time. (Poor little thing)

10 years later, he struggled to pass his (real) maths exams and other subjects.

True story.

[Wongo]

Bastard!!! I just spent 20 minutes to do a “free” online IQ test but they wanted $6 for the result.:~

I am pretty sure I got all the questions right though.:cool:

[silentC]

Send me $5 and I will tell you your IQ. :wink:

[silentC]

The funny thing about IQ tests, and something that isn't often discussed, is that there are several different brands, with similarly different scales. So someone might peak out at 115 on one scale, and someone from another scale might have an IQ of 160 or something. This in itself makes them a relatively useless mode of measurement.
People who actually work with IQ measurements know the different tests and know you have to compare apples with apples. If it's done properly, the scores are standardised based on a population sample taken from the subject area. So it's not enough to just say "my IQ is 160", you also need to know the test used and the standard deviation of the sample.

So you can look really smart if you do your test in an area full of dumb people.

That's why I chose to do mine with a group of TV journalists.

[Honorary Bloke]

People who actually work with IQ measurements know the different tests and know you have to compare apples with apples. If it's done properly, the scores are standardised based on a population sample taken from the subject area. So it's not enough to just say "my IQ is 160", you also need to know the test used and the standard deviation of the sample.

So you can look really smart if you do your test in an area full of dumb people.

That's why I chose to do mine with a group of TV journalists.

I chose to do mine with a bunch of Ozzie WWers. :D :rolleyes: :D Don't flame me, Silent, it's late and I'm going to bed.

[silentC]

I chose to do mine with a bunch of Ozzie WWers.
Oh, that explains your score. I always expected you to come out smarter than that! :D

[Zed]

you could be the worlds smartest pygmy but only score 20 IQ points if your test was based upon a non standard measure - lets say Computer literacy or western history... and vice versa of course.

I once scored 153 in an IQ test but the q's were all cognitive ones or "trick questions" that supplied a dumb ass obvious answer and the real one....and also very few mathematical q's.. had it been the opposite i'd a been a dubbo im sure....

who cares anyway ? we just apes who stopped walking on our knuckles and grew a frontal lobe in our brain, once society collapses IQ will be less important than the desire to eat, drink and find shelter... be happy is my suggestion... I know I am.. :2tsup: :D

[Gingermick]

10 years later, he struggled to pass his (real) maths exams and other subjects..

There was a story in a magazine a while back about this type of thing. They did some experiments where they gave the same test and praised a group of children for being clever and another for working hard. They then made the next test much harder and praised them the same way again. (clever or hard worker). Back to the original test now and those praised as being clever went backwards and the others improved. They then gave them another test where they could choose the difficulty of the question and the 'clever' kids chose an easy one whereas the 'good workers' chose a more difficult test generally. The smart kids didn't want to get it wrong and lose face, whereas the hard working ones liked the challenge.
They then theorised that praising kids for something that they had control of (ie the effort) proved to be more beneficial than praising something the kids had no control over.
It was something like that anyway:-

[Gra]

What about this 7 year old kid in Hong Kong in the early 80s. He was also 'diagnosed' as a gifted child. He could do additions and subtractions faster then someone who used a calculator. He was on TV all the time. (Poor little thing)

10 years later, he struggled to pass his (real) maths exams and other subjects.

True story.

So what was it like to be on TV??:U:U

[Wongo]

 :B

[Wongo]

Wongo, what is

335687
+ 282185
- 172626 :whistling2:
+ 753886
- 609091 :whistling:
- 577065
- 150744 :whistling2:
+ 951660
+ 751999
+ 974177 :sleep6:
- 490770
- 449090
+ 610554 :playball:
- 541494
- 909359

:think:
759909

:photo2:



:D

[Gra]

hang on while I paste that into excel

[AlexS]

Wongo, what is

335687
+ 282185
- 172626 :whistling2:
+ 753886
- 609091 :whistling:
- 577065
- 150744 :whistling2:
+ 951660
+ 751999
+ 974177 :sleep6:
- 490770
- 449090
+ 610554 :playball:
- 541494
- 909359

:think:
759909

:photo2:

:D

That's not maths, it's arithmetic.:D

[masher]

That's not maths, it's arithmetic.:D

Well said!

.

But can you prove there are an infinite number of primes?

[Wongo]

But can you prove there are an infinite number of primes?

:yes:

[Gra]

But can you prove there are an infinite number of primes?


Is one of them optimus?

[joe greiner]

The test results themselves are fictitiuos, even after allowing for cultural differences. They test both the knowledge and the ability to take tests.

The hard way: Get stuck on one of the first few questions, stay stuck for much of the duration, and get a low score.

The easy way: Scan the test for the gifts and easily enter the correct answer; scan again and do the next harder; save the real stumpers until last; and get a high score.

Joe

[silentC]

The easy way: Scan the test for the gifts and easily enter the correct answer; scan again and do the next harder; save the real stumpers until last; and get a high score.

That might be difficult if you are doing the full test, which includes verbal questions. You can say 'pass' but I bet they don't let you come back and have another go at it...

I did a similar test (not for IQ) a few years ago. It was done in a room under supervision. The test was handed out in sections. There were a few questions that I suppose you could have studied for, but many of them were the type of question that you either get or don't get.

I think most people who do an IQ test would probably have done one of those magazine type questionnaires where you sit down and answer all the questions and then total up a score. A proper IQ test is done under supervision and then analysed by a trained psychologist.

[Wongo]

.. allowing for cultural differences...

That’s right.

Questions like “Which one of these is least like the four? Horse, kangaroo, goat, deer or donkey“ are a bit unfair.

How am I supposed to know if I've never eaten a kangaroo before.

:doh:

[masher]

Is one of them optimus?

heehee

good call!

[AlexS]

Well said!

.

But can you prove there are an infinite number of primes?
No, but I can prove there is not a finite number of primes.:wink:

[Rossluck]

Anyway, back to the original question. I've worked both as a labourer, and I've taught a bit at university and I'm strongly of the opinion that the intellectual differences between people isn't that great. It's really all in the mind (sorry).

People who get their jollies from imagining that they are intellectually superior to most people are yanking at their own chains. It's more a matter of what turns you on, or what you're interested in. I have a firm belief that you could grab any council worker from a road works site and coax him or her through medical school and produce a medical doctor after 7 years. If they wanted to do it.

Similarly, as someone else alluded to above, IQ tests are only good for one thing: measuring how good people are at doing IQ tests. So the question should be: why are people with low IQs just plain smart?:wink:

[Cliff Rogers]

.... I have a firm belief that you could grab any council worker from a road works site and coax him or her through medical school and produce a medical doctor after 7 years. ....
BUT..... would you go to them as a patient?

[Wongo]

No, but I can prove there is not a finite number of primes.:wink:

:brava:

Were you in my class?

[silentC]

IQ tests are only good for one thing: measuring how good people are at doing IQ tests
That's a bit like saying that a maths test is only good for measuring how good you are at doing maths tests. What else would it be measuring?

I'm sorry, but I'm afraid that in my experience there actually is a very wide range in intellectual ability in the community. I have worked as a labourer and I have been to university. I think some of the labourers I worked with could have done much more with their lives, while others were in exactly the right job. I think some of the people I went to uni with were destined for great things and others would be better doing something more manual. It might not be PC to say it, but I think it's quite obvious that there are 'bright' people, 'average' people and 'not so bright' people. Whether or not IQ is any good at picking that up, I'll leave to the experts. They've been debating it for decades.

Go and read a bit about IQ, try Wikipedia for a starting point. Many, many studies have been done on the correlation between IQ (as tested) and school performance, job performance, income etc. I think it has been pretty well validated for some predictors. Others not so good perhaps.

Don't judge it on the on-line tests or the ones in Cleo. Go and get a proper professional test done and see how well you think you could fluff your way through to getting a high score. Have a stab at Mensa. Let us know how you get on. Top 3% I think.

[Ruddigar]

Were you in my class?
Alex is in a class all of his own, Wongo. :cool:

(and it's way above yours :p )

[Grunt]

That's a bit like saying that a maths test is only good for measuring how good you are at doing maths tests. What else would it be measuring?

I think the point is that it they are not necessarily a good measure of raw intelligence.

With practice you can get better at IQ tests. That doesn't mean that you are more intelligent but just better at doing the tests.

[Zed]

with practice your IQ improves - As you study your ability to learn more increases thus your IQ goes up. stoopid dog! :D

[Rossluck]

Go and read a bit about IQ, try Wikipedia for a starting point. Many, many studies have been done on the correlation between IQ (as tested) and school performance, job performance, income etc. I think it has been pretty well validated for some predictors. Others not so good perhaps.

Don't judge it on the on-line tests or the ones in Cleo. Go and get a proper professional test done and see how well you think you could fluff your way through to getting a high score. Have a stab at Mensa. Let us know how you get on. Top 3% I think.

Thou dost underestimate me. I have investigated IQ tests, I've done one, I've done very well: they're crap. I wouldn't glance at an on-line one and I wouldn't bother opening the cover of "Cleo". I think that Mensa is a joke and that it's members are pulling ... something ... a lot ... and are probably half blind because of it. A lot of the people in Mensa are revealingly involved in a perpetual attempt to improve their IQ tests through practice: this in itself discredits the tests (and says even more about the members of Mensa).

IQ tests are yet another one of the ways those who have power over others seek to reify it.

[Ruddigar]

I heard / read somewhere that you are only supposed to take the tests once every 5-10 years if they are to bit an accurate indicator of one's IQ.

Taking test after test will certainly make you better at IQ tests, but will not actually raise your IQ.

Just cause you get better at the tests, it won't mean that you can operate your toaster.

[Rossluck]

I think the point is that it they are not necessarily a good measure of raw intelligence.

With practice you can get better at IQ tests. That doesn't mean that you are more intelligent but just better at doing the tests.

Missed that, Grunt. Thanks for the support. :D :D :D

[Grunt]

What Is Intelligence, Anyway?
Isaac Asimov


What is intelligence, anyway? When I was in the army, I received the kind of aptitude test that all soldiers took and, against a normal of 100, scored 160. No one at the base had ever seen a figure like that, and for two hours they made a big fuss over me. (It didn't mean anything. The next day I was still a buck private with KP - kitchen police - as my highest duty.)

All my life I've been registering scores like that, so that I have the complacent feeling that I'm highly intelligent, and I expect other people to think so too. Actually, though, don't such scores simply mean that I am very good at answering the type of academic questions that are considered worthy of answers by people who make up the intelligence tests - people with intellectual bents similar to mine?

For instance, I had an auto-repair man once, who, on these intelligence tests, could not possibly have scored more than 80, by my estimate. I always took it for granted that I was far more intelligent than he was. Yet, when anything went wrong with my car I hastened to him with it, watched him anxiously as he explored its vitals, and listened to his pronouncements as though they were divine oracles - and he always fixed my car.

Well, then, suppose my auto-repair man devised questions for an intelligence test. Or suppose a carpenter did, or a farmer, or, indeed, almost anyone but an academician. By every one of those tests, I'd prove myself a moron, and I'd be a moron, too. In a world where I could not use my academic training and my verbal talents but had to do something intricate or hard, working with my hands, I would do poorly. My intelligence, then, is not absolute but is a function of the society I live in and of the fact that a small subsection of that society has managed to foist itself on the rest as an arbiter of such matters.

Consider my auto-repair man, again. He had a habit of telling me jokes whenever he saw me. One time he raised his head from under the automobile hood to say: "Doc, a deaf-and-mute guy went into a hardware store to ask for some nails. He put two fingers together on the counter and made hammering motions with the other hand. The clerk brought him a hammer. He shook his head and pointed to the two fingers he was hammering. The clerk brought him nails. He picked out the sizes he wanted, and left. Well, doc, the next guy who came in was a blind man. He wanted scissors. How do you suppose he asked for them?"

Indulgently, I lifted by right hand and made scissoring motions with my first two fingers. Whereupon my auto-repair man laughed raucously and said, "Why, you dumb jerk, He used his voice and asked for them." Then he said smugly, "I've been trying that on all my customers today." "Did you catch many?" I asked. "Quite a few," he said, "but I knew for sure I'd catch you." "Why is that?" I asked. "Because you're so goddamned educated, doc, I knew you couldn't be very smart."

And I have an uneasy feeling he had something there.




with practice your IQ improves - As you study your ability to learn more increases thus your IQ goes up. stoopid dog! :D

Is someone who completes a degree in astrophysics more intelligent or do they just have more knowledge and skills?

Why am I having a discussion about intelligence with an ape?

[silentC]

they're crap
OK, well, I guess that the psychologists who came up with it must be wrong then. Maybe you should let them know? They probably don't realise...

[Rossluck]

OK, well, I guess that the psychologists who came up with it must be wrong then. Maybe you should let them know? They probably don't realise...

No, they probably don't ....

[Rossluck]

BUT..... would you go to them as a patient?


That's more a question about the medical system than the council worker. If he or she had passed the board examinations,

Yes

[Cliff Rogers]

.... If he or she had passed the board examinations,

Yes
How about an IQ test then?

[Ruddigar]

How about an IQ test then?
No thanks. I had one two years ago and I couldn't possibly fit another one in.

Appreciate the offer though.

[Rossluck]

How about an IQ test then?


That's quite clever, Cliff. :2tsup:

Truthfully, I'm not really opposed to IQ tests as such. Most psychologists have a good understanding of their shortfalls as a means of measuring intrinsic intelligence. They are indicative of where a person in Western society stands in relation to others with the same educational and cultural backgrounds and so on. I think that as a means of testing people so that their particular interests might be identified (i.e., they did well at maths in the test: or they did well in the spatial component) so that they might be guided to a suitable career.

But it annoys the hell out of me when people start using them as a means of lording it over other people. That type of intellectual snobbery is not only damaging and repressive for some members of our society, it's also a pointer to a strongly delusional sense of self on the part of the perpetrator.

[silentC]

How much of a problem do you really think that is? I don't know too many people who would actually know what their IQ is. I don't know mine. Have you come across many people who flaunt it the way you suggest?

[Cliff Rogers]

That's quite clever, Cliff. :2tsup: ....
By what measure???? Did I pass??? :D

[Ruddigar]

I don't know too many people who would actually know what their IQ is.

Mine is 4.

No wait - that's my rating on Brown Dog's theist scale.

Wongo may have a point.....

[Gra]

By what measure???? Did I pass??? :fart:

I was wondering what the smell was

[Wongo]

Wongo may have a point.....

and my point is?

[Gra]

and my point is? sharp? is this a quiz?

[Ruddigar]

and my point is?
Something about getting confused about what thread you're reading :?

I was wondering what the smell was
Cliff petarded! :p