Lock 'em up and throw away the key or hang 'em.

[journeyman Mick]

I've never been pro-capital punishment but some people just shouldn't be allowed back in the community. There's a bloke who was recently released on parole after serving 27 years for serial paedophile offences. He breached his parole conditions last week when he was found consorting with another paedophile. He didn't turn up at a police station yesterday morning as required under his parole conditions. The police located him over 1000kms away in Home Hill (near Townsville). Obviously the low life can't help himself and is not able to be rehabilitated. I'm all for the rights of the individual but they shouldn't impact on the rights of society as a whole. I reckon people like this can only be satisfactorily dealt with by capital punishment or lifetime incarceration. When is the bloody government going to draw up legislation which reflects our society's values?:((

Mick

[Wood Borer]

Mick,

I just read a good reply to the Work Harassment thread. There it was suggested that by being informed and not acting on an issue could be seen as condoning the act.

I wonder if that also applies to politicians and judges not taking the word of the public seriously about paedophiles? I hope not.

[Gingermick]

thats bloody scary

[Honorary Bloke]

Most professionals now agree that the majority (if not all) of paedophiles cannot be cured. Period. :(( There is legislation here in the States such that when a paedophile's gaol term is expired, he can then be sent to a mental institution for life as an incurable mental patient. But it is being challenged (of course) so don't know if it will last.

[les88]

give them a choice incarceration or castration
les

[MurrayD99]

I heard an amazing statement from a former attorney-general here (well, attributed to him) that prison is nothing to do with punishment... that society has moved on. I don't think 99% of Kiwis actually believe that but that is the (scary) official line, despite record prison populations. I think we also closed the asylums for the criminally insane on the grounds they are just mis-understood people who had a bad upbringing. This is a bit of a problem, overall!

[Sebastiaan56]

I think capital punishment only makes perpetrators of the enforcers, Im with Les, castrate or incarcerate,

Sebastiaan

[Wongo]

Hang 'em.

Why stuff around.

[pawnhead]

The Catholic church has a lot to answer to as well. It's unnatural to expect their priests to be 'married to God', and thus not allowed to take a wife.

They really ought to get much tougher with perpetrators. The reaction on all message boards that I've seen is the same. People are revolted, and disgusted, and want more action taken against these scum. In many cases it's a vicious circle, with the perpetrators themselves having been abused as children. But of course that's no excuse, so I'm with Les; 'incarceration or castration'.

[jow104]

Start a new penal colony, at the south pole, that should cool them down:rolleyes:

[Barry Hicks]

How about both! The mongrels do a lifetime of damage to many of their victims.

Barry Hicks

[boban]

In NSW, the government actually passed some laws allowing them to keep such individuals locked up after their sentence had been completed. I actually don't know all the details but I think its a step in the right direction.

I have absolutely no doubt that these individuals do not deserve any sense of freedom, no matter how much time passes.

The other option is to declare them terrorists and send them to Guantanamo Bay, no charge, no trial, a bit of torture ....

[Gingermick]

They have those laws in QLD too. I think they tried to keep Fardon but eventually failed.
The imprecise science of threat estimation gave him a low score. So they let him out and he breached his parole. But they got him and he was denied bail.

I'm willing to grant them freedom, after they get the knackers chopped off.

[journeyman Mick]

Would castration really fix them? Would any of the parents on this board feel comfortable about their children's safety if they had a castrated paedophile living next door? If you have a dog that's dangerous and has bitten people can you really trust it not to do it again, even after you've had it neutered? I just don't think that these people have the right to live in our society.

Mick

[Gingermick]

I dont know and it's not worth the risk to find out.
But, knackered, circumcised at the base of the johnson, eyeballs removed and fingers cut off. That should do it.
I too am against capital punishment on principle, but not against corporal punishment.

[jow104]

A bit touchy but the age of consent in the UK not all that long ago (40 years before I was born) was 13 years, they weren't call paedolphiles then. So one day they are citizens and the next they are not.

[Skew ChiDAMN!!]

There's a lot to be said for ye olde stocks or pillorys, especially when set up in a dark, secluded alley close to a vege market or quarry. :~

[journeyman Mick]

A bit touchy but the age of consent in the UK not all that long ago (40 years before I was born) was 13 years, they weren't call paedolphiles then. So one day they are citizens and the next they are not.

They were the laws of the day, so therefore they weren't paedophiles then. The point is that these lowlifes knowingly commit acts which are illegal and unnaceptable to the society they live in.

Mick

[jow104]

And of course against consent.

Could you imagine the situation where the age is risen to 30 years of age:D

[fred.n]

I heard an amazing statement from a former attorney-general here (well, attributed to him) that prison is nothing to do with punishment... that society has moved on.
Thats cause the people in there get it to bloody easy :~ :~ :ranton:

Tv's, swimming pools, pool tables, basketball nets, etc etc
We need to go back to the old days, if your in a maximum security prison you do Hard time. Stuff all these bloody do-gooder people out there trying to save their souls, they did the crime......( oh thats right.....it's not their fault................ cause they had a hard up bringing........didum's)
Call the new prison 'Hell' and and work the inmates all day everyday, no rights for any inmate for the first 5 years.

Watch the crime rate drop. Motto for the new prison,
If you don't want to be a part of society, well have you for a long long time.:rantoff:

[Wood Borer]

I know very little about the crime apart from the permanent mental trauma it leaves on the victims.

I am trying to understand whether it is the sexual act, the predatory behaviour, the guilt felt by the victim, all of the above and probably other aspects.

If the trauma to the victim is caused by things apart from the sexual act, would castration necessarily reduce further attacks?

Is it the sexual urge of the offender that causes them to commit the crime or is it some bizarre psychological buzz that they get from attacking the kids?

I have heard it stated that sexual urges are not the main factor in rape but an urge to have control.

I am not going soft on these #$%^@ by any means, it's just that I'd hate to apply a solution to this terrible problem that was ineffective.

[boban]

Well said Borer,

You have outlined a reasoned submission, no doubt, but what's the harm in castrating the mongrels. I would have thought that the combination of continued urges with no equipment to use would be a suitable punishment.

I'm sorry, but when it comes to these mongrels, my reason flies out the window and I become one of the mob. Despite any requirements I may have had, I could never have represented one of these things. They are truly despicable individuals.

[Wood Borer]

Thanks for your words Boban.

I agree wholeheartedly about the castration but I was fearful that just castrating them and then letting them loose may not stop further crimes.

Perhaps the options are only keeping them in gaol or executing them.

I appreciate your reluctance to represent them.

[jow104]

there are female ones as well, so castrating them ?????????

[Sebastiaan56]

The scariest bit for me is the statistic that the bulk of these offences are commited by people known to the victim. So its messing with the trust of familial or similar relationships. The perpertrators are almost exclusively male, brothers, fathers, uncles, etc.

Castration isnt only sending Mr Johnson to the sausage factory. My understanding is that chemical castration also inhibits libido for a while but there are ethical issues as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration

I know its impossible to personally vet every person my boys come into contact with, but sometimes I want to. We have had serious talks about what is appropriate, hope it works,

Sebastiaan

[Gingermick]

The vast majority are men though. Get rid of all wedding tackle and give em a catheter. Chop their fingers off, and glue a big prosthetic nose and skull cap on them and send them to Iraq.

[Bob38S]

I know very little about the crime apart from the permanent mental trauma it leaves on the victims.

I am trying to understand whether it is the sexual act, the predatory behaviour, the guilt felt by the victim, all of the above and probably other aspects.

If the trauma to the victim is caused by things apart from the sexual act, would castration necessarily reduce further attacks?

Is it the sexual urge of the offender that causes them to commit the crime or is it some bizarre psychological buzz that they get from attacking the kids?

I have heard it stated that sexual urges are not the main factor in rape but an urge to have control.

I am not going soft on these #$%^@ by any means, it's just that I'd hate to apply a solution to this terrible problem that was ineffective.



It is purely a power thing.

I say let's give it to them ALL 240 Volts of it or what ever level is required to ensure it can't happen again.

Capital Punishment = NO repeat offenders.

With the proviso - capital punishment can only be used if the offender has been caught in the situation - absolutely no possibility the offender is innocent - not on circumstantial evidence or false/vexatious accusation. eg Martin Bryant.

[munruben]

give them a choice incarceration or castration
les
Why give them a choice, did they give their victims a choice?

I too am against capital punishment on principle I wonder if you would feel that way if your wife or child was brutally sexually attacked and murdered.
Sorry but I am with wongo on this one, If they are dead, they wont offend again.
I know if it was a child of mine who had been murdered, I would be in favour of the death sentence. No hesitation.

[Gingermick]

Just because I'm not in favour of the system killing people doesn't mean that I wouldn't kill any bastardo who hurt my children.

[NCArcher]

I agree with (I think) the majority on here. Hang em high. I have no qualms about killing these scum.
And i would happily pull the lever or flick the switch myself.
If it was my family that was harmed then they wouldn't even make it to trial.
I don't like the idea of locking them away for the rest of their lives.
Apart from them living in relative comfort we are paying for that. :~

Edit: A bit strong maybe, but these scum really make my blood boil.

[HappyHammer]

Release them to the victims family to determine a suitably long punishment, as long as the family is not going to forgive them and pray for forgiveness, bloody do gooders.

HH.

[munruben]

Just because I'm not in favour of the system killing people doesn't mean that I wouldn't kill any bastardo who hurt my children.
I'm glad to hear that.

[Gingermick]

living in relative comfort we are paying for that.

Costs much more to keep someone on death row. Saw a figure of 90 grand a year more. And i think the average time on DR in America is 7 years.

And killing someone doesn't punish them. Keeping them in jail with their hands in plaster (to stop them playing with themselves) for ever is punishing them.

[NCArcher]

A couple of years on death row or 50 years in the isolation section. (They can't be put into general population because they get killed)
I don't want to punish them, they're not naughty children. I want them gone. Never able to threaten let alone harm anyone ever again.
Their victims are sentenced to life and often die because of it. So should they.

I've ranted enough i think. Everyone knows where i stand now.:((

[Wongo]

Also death penalty is a good way to keep the population down. Best thing the communist party has done to mankind.

[jow104]

Why is it then that the politicians dont want the death penalty, aren't they the same as us?

[echnidna]

Maybe they dont want all the crap that they must get from the do-gooders when its executin time

[jow104]

Maybe they dont want all the crap that they must get from the do-gooders when its executin time


Well perhaps it would pay if the not do gooders gave the MP's a load of crap when only prison sentances are handed out. Perhaps that's whats missing.:wink:

[jow104]

Since entering this thread I have been receiving 3 emails a day offering the V stuff.

Has the same happened to you?

[Wood Borer]

That is stiff luck John:B

No I haven't been offered any.

[Honorary Bloke]

Since entering this thread I have been receiving 3 emails a day offering the V stuff.

Has the same happened to you?

Everyone in the flamin' world gets 3 offers a day for the V stuff. Unless they get 4. :D :D (Except, apparently, our mate Wood Borer, who must be the sender of the e-mails.:rolleyes: :D )

[les88]

OK whats the V stuff?
:?
les

[Honorary Bloke]

OK whats the V stuff?
:?
les

Viagra. (tm).

(tm) = Trade Mark

[Wood Borer]

Everyone in the flamin' world gets 3 offers a day for the V stuff. Unless they get 4. :D :D (Except, apparently, our mate Wood Borer, who must be the sender of the e-mails.:rolleyes: :D )

The reason I don't receive them is because I am a virile young bloke so they realise they are wasting their time with me.:roll:

[Glen]

I'm very much for live and let live but pedophiles are one of the few things that make me physically sick and extremely angry.:(( :(( :upset:

My solution

Special jail for pedophiles - give them nothing and they get out on their 200th birthday. Any person of unmarried parentage who comes near my daughter had better hope the police get to them before I do ( and I am not a person who believes in violence) but as I will say to her future boyfriends I have a gun I have a shovel and you won't be missed.