external compound mitre on picture rail into a dormer

[dirtydeeds]

today was a bit damp, lets be honest ive NEVER seen rain like it in 40+ years on the planet. im inside fitting picture rail

anyway its the external mitre, the rafters are set at 75 degrees so the picture rail on the mansarded wall is canted at 15 degrees and has to turn 90 degrees into the dormer


so i set the saw at 45 degree mitre and 7.5 degrees cant.

the VERY moment the blade hit the timber i knew it wasnt going to fit, its the cant thats the problem


its going to be painted SO..................... i recut the mansarded rail at 45 degrees then i cut the return into the dormer at 45 degrees canted at 15

then i made it fit with a 1/8th chisel and block plane





for some reason i still cant resolve the problem in my head and one day i will have to do it in this prefinished timber


help

[journeyman Mick]

DD,
is the wall in the dormer section canted 15 deg as well? if it isn't then the picture rail will be a different height for each section and you'll need to fudge it a bit. Used to fit a lot of clear finished mouldings onto boats and they were all compound cuts. For the trickier ones we'd cut some scraps and hold them in position and mark the approximate angles on them. Sometimes you'd need to hold a long length in position to get it all level and then pencil mark the wall so you could see the angles a bit easier. Then it was a matter of cutting the compound angle on both scraps and doing a trial fit. Usually had to adjust the angle a few times to get it right. The bloke I worked with did all this by eye with a jigsaw and a low angle block plane before I came a long with a compound mitre saw.:rolleyes: Good luck with it,

Mick

[pawnhead]

It can't be done on a compound mitre without fudging it. A compound mitre gives you a larger cross sectional area than a straight mitre.
With pre-finished timber you'd have to cut a square mitre on the corner. Then cut an opposing square mitre, and from the short point on the bottom, cut 7.5 degrees square. Butt that into your dormer section with another 7.5 degree cut. Everything should meet perfectly then.

Edit: Here's an illustration of what I mean:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y266/holgerdanske/th_Untitled-Captured-q.jpg (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y266/holgerdanske/Untitled-Captured-q.jpg)

[dirtydeeds]

journeyman and pawnhead thank you for the help

journeyman for confirming that to get a single mitre to work absolutly perfectly the return has to be a different moulding of the main section or a try and try again untill it looks right

it also confirms that the original carpenter 90 years ago just made it fit



pawnhead for supplying an easy solution to follow (with great care when using a compond mitre saw)

[dirtydeeds]

ive just worked out ONLY mathmatically correct solution

due to cost only dictators, absolute monarchs and multi millionares need apply


the picture rail to the main room and the dormer returns is one standard section

the picure rail on the canted wall has to be wider and scaled and it must also have a different top section so the "hook" of the piture rail doesnt show

ie a different moulding has to be run out for the canted wall



for the rest of humanity you chose either journeyman or pawnhead's methods