Domestic Violence

[Gingermick]

I've only had a quick look but from what I've seen, and SWMBO's perception, there seems to be little statutory help for women who are being squeezed, either literally or metaphorically, by a male.
I'm sick of hearing about jane doe who is a mess and a head or a druggie or a slut because she's trying to deal with an overbearing aggressive male.
I'd like to see if anyone is else of sick of this bloody issue and would like to see some real action by our weak pollies.

[Burnsy]

There is no excuse for hitting a woman and I think a 900mm block of 75 x 75 hardwood should be used to deal with anyone who does. I don't care how many mistakes a female has made in her life (drugs, alcohol, whatever) it is not an excuse - social standing is not an excuse. Unfortunately those that you mention tend to be picked up by the lowest forms of males who are so poorly educated in the common morals and decencies of society that they think it is OK.

As someone who works in a community where this is to common, I can vouch for the effect that it has on the children of women who are in these relationships. Violence is not the answer, unless of course you are caught in my shed without an invite, in which case there is a fair chance you would also fit into the first category of people I mentioned as needing to be dealt with by a piece of 75 x 75 and that my friends is the problem, these people never seem to be single offenders, they generally fit into the category of guys who consistently make poor choices.

[johnc]

It's not OK for a man to use physical or verbal abuse against a woman, nor is it OK in reverse. I think most people are aware that bullying or abuse is not acceptable and the debate is beginning to move onto what actions many would see previously as in the twilight zone. Put simply we are responsible for our actions and it is very weak of an individual to state that others "drove me to it" or whatever.

This is a woodwork forum and I feel that this thread is probably a bit to far removed from the forums purpose, although your statement is fine the poll to me is not.

John.

[Wongo]

It is not ok to hit a woman at all.

When I was a teenager, I used to pray to the unknown god begging him to take my father away from this world. You can figure out why. OK I think I should stop here.

[Wood Borer]

Touchy Subject.:rolleyes:

This is similar to Wongo's thread about the mother grabbing the bully and the bully's mother running to the cops.

As I said in Wongo's thread, running to the cops or resorting to violence as the first response is pathetic. The same applies here. If people chose not to firstly attempt to resolve the issue by discussing the issue they have a problem whether it be laziness or inability to communicate.

I have problems with the topic highlighting the violence towards women. I know this is a common problem in some relationships(?). Resorting to violence against any living creature apart from a life threatening scenario indicates a serious problem to me and it causes unnecessary pain and suffering on the victim.

There is evidence to support that many violent people were subjected to violence themselves however not everyone subjected to violence ends up being violent.

I have observed that some people seem to form relationships with people who are violent and consequently become punching bags. They escape from one disaster straight into another one! I am not suggesting that they contribute to the violence upon themselves other than forming relationships with violent people – why?

It is probably easy for others to suggest that the victim leaves the violent person but it seems they choose to stay with the violent person to be beaten up again and again!

Perhaps work needs to be done understanding the behaviour of both the puncher and the punched.

For men who are only violent towards their women but conveniently forget to take on the big tough bloke at the pub they have two problems and perhaps the big tough bloke at the pub should give them a third problem.

I do not condone domestic violence but then who would say they do?

[dazzler]

I've only had a quick look but from what I've seen, and SWMBO's perception, there seems to be little statutory help for women who are being squeezed, either literally or metaphorically, by a male.
I'm sick of hearing about jane doe who is a mess and a head or a druggie or a slut because she's trying to deal with an overbearing aggressive male.
I'd like to see if anyone is else of sick of this bloody issue and would like to see some real action by our weak pollies.



If you use force upon a person then it is common assault.

EG: If you decide to leave an arguement and either party grabs the other against thier will they have committed a common assault.

Some states, the ACT and I think TAS, have a zero tolerance policy with respect to family violence. If plod turns up and there is evidence of any physical assault between ANY family members then the assailant MUST be arrested and brought directly to the court. This is great because it brings the violence to and end without the victim having any say in the matter.

Its bedtime, will have a look at QLD criminal code tomorrow to see if its similar.:)

[Burnsy]

There is evidence to support that many violent people were subjected to violence themselves however not everyone subjected to violence ends up being violent.


I have never been able to understand this, same goes for sexual predators. I would have thought that knowing how bad it is would make you go in the opposite direction but it does not seem that way and it irritates me that it is constantly used as a defence in court. I am sure there is alot more to it that I don't get but as a layman who has not experienced it I am not able to comprehend.

[Buzza]

I wanted to tell my story here, but SWMBO said she'd biff me if I did. :oo:

[swiftden]

Daz,

Its the same here in SA we have zero tolerance any evidence and we lock them up and put them before the courts even if the other party is not willing to take action or provide a statement. We do it off our evidence .

There is no reason to hit a women. I grew up with my father beating up my mother and no family should have to go through it.

Regards
Allan.

[ozwinner]

Gingermick..

You may as well tell them the whole story now, seeing as how you want to go public with it so much.

Al :)

[Gingermick]

SWMBO was concerned for neighbour when her male companion came home. He yelled at SWMBO to leave and she said 'why'. He tried to physically intimidate her, she slapped him (more a rude slap than a painful one) he grabbed her and threw her against the wall or door. Neighbour escorted stef and children home. I see her, and my stress levels go up to extreme.

[rrich]

A gentleman does not hit (or use force on) a lady, ever. It just simply isn't done.

[masoth]

........... there seems to be little statutory help for women who are being squeezed, either literally or metaphorically, by a male.

And what help is there for the abused male? Physically stronger women beat the daylights out of their man and, as pathetic as it is, there is little our court system does to protect him.

soth

[Bob38S]

I voted "You dont bloody use force with a woman"

My only question/statement is that it should not just be restricted to women.

I'm trying to say that the use of force except in extreme exceptional circumstances is just not acceptable in any form. By form, I referring to the mental as well as the physical.

Exceptional circumstances means that you/yours are in physical threat and there is absolutely no alternative but to negate the threat. However once the threat is negated do not fall into the trap of retribution/punishment.

A very touchy subject which is sure to stir emotions - mostly related to personal experiences.

Regards,
Bob

[Gingermick]

I agree that 'women' should be changed to 'person' in the poll.

The below shows about 1 in 20 women experienced physical assault in the 12 months prior to the survey. That's an extraordinarily shocking statistic.

[SPIRIT]

look there is ads on TV all the time on this subject so realy there you cant say l didn't know where to go .You must use the system (LAWS)or the system will not work ,crime must be reported so they can try and fix this mess that we live in
seek help from the many help line that are set up ,and go from there the first is the hardest but it must be taken somebody need help here before it goes to far and there is no turning back

[SPIRIT]

that poll is hard one l did teach my son how to defend himself against a woman sorry not even girls get a free shot !manly blocking but sometime you will have to grab them until you can retreat never hit or push or hurt with your hold .

[dazzler]

Here is a little perspective from my exp.

Back in the late eighties I went to lots of the stereotypical drunk husband comes home and hits the wife. By about the late nineties this seemed to have changed somewhat to that of husband and wife continually arguing until it escalates to pushing from both sides and in many cases the wife slapping the male and the male slapping/hitting back.

The old image of meek insecure females being beaten seems to have changed somewhat and both parties seem to be at fault to a large degree.

So IMO the ads are focused a bit on the past and need to better reflect the fact that a lot of domestic violence is down to two parties unable to control themselves.

This is just my experience of attending about 5 of these a week over a decade or more but could be region specific.

Just on a personal note. When I split up from my 1st wife we had an arguement and she was so angry she started hitting me so i grabbed her hands which resulted in her latching onto my nipple :p . May have been okay if I was in a gimp suit :rolleyes: but instead it just damned hurt:(

[dazzler]

Daz,

Its the same here in SA we have zero tolerance any evidence and we lock them up and put them before the courts even if the other party is not willing to take action or provide a statement. We do it off our evidence .

There is no reason to hit a women. I grew up with my father beating up my mother and no family should have to go through it.

Regards
Allan.


Its a great law. As a supervisor its fun to walk in and ask

"why is that person still here (assailant) , take them away thankyou" :D

[Wood Borer]

It is good that the laws have changed to remove those people who use violence against others.

I was recently in White Cliffs and went on a tour of the area (highly recommended ask for Patch).

Patch the tour guide told us the sad story of a woman with 9 kids (she was 24 at the time!) who was constantly beaten up by her drunken husband back in the early days. Australia did not have any laws at the time against wife bashing.

The drunken wife basher ran off to New Zealand and married over there. He continued his wife bashing habit over there but in New Zealand they had a law at the time that you could not bash your wife during daylight hours. That was this clown's downfall and he was sent to gaol in NZ for wife bashing.

He returned to Australia after doing time. His wife ended up marrying the Police Chief of South Australia and lived into her nineties. His body was found in their hut nine months after he had died because nobody visited him or cared about him.

It was a touching story with a good ending told at the preserved cottage where they lived and she was bashed. Patch has restored the hut and it is still much as it was during those dark and cruel times.

It seems to be a rare example of where the law is ahead of society, however unfortunately wife bashing sadly continues.

[Gingermick]

.You must use the system (LAWS)

SWMBO is in making a statement at present. I finally convinced her to go after I was informed the big welts on her arm are from where the mongrel dog grabbed her.

[Clinton1]

Gingermick, you are a calmer man than I.

Hope you can manage to stuff up his life for him for a long time to come... however you choose to go about it.

[SPIRIT]

SWMBO is in making a statement at present. I finally convinced her to go after I was informed the big welts on her arm are from where the mongrel dog grabbed her.just keep your head and look like the calm one in the mix and you will do more good than bad
that goes with dealing with your wife as well :) good luck

[Gingermick]

Gingermick, you are a calmer man than I.

Its causing my much grief and anxiety to be so. :(

[Christopha]

Gingermick, Did I not read your post correctly? Was it not your SWMBO who physically attacked the next door ???? first, in his own home after he asked/told her to leave? Does this not make HER the aggressor in the first instance?

[Lignum]

I know this goes againsed the spirit of the thread, but i dont understand why gingermick didnt go straight over and belt the bloke for physicly having a go at his swmbo

[HappyHammer]

I know this goes againsed the spirit of the thread, but i dont understand why gingermick didnt go straight over and belt the bloke for physicly having a go at his swmbo
Must admit I thought that too especially being a redhead. But is it worth GM getting a crim record for assault? Often on reflection after having retaliated it's not, although the calmness within which you reach this conclusion is partly generated by the satisfaction of having retaliated.

It's a difficult one but GM has done well to control himself:2tsup:

HH.

[ozwinner]

I agree that 'women' should be changed to 'person' in the poll.




Done.

Al :)

[Daddles]

I know this goes againsed the spirit of the thread, but i dont understand why gingermick didnt go straight over and belt the bloke for physicly having a go at his swmbo

Since when did violence ever solve anything, particularly other violence

Richard

[Lignum]

Since when did violence ever solve anything, particularly other violence

Richard

So someone belts your wife, mum, sister or girlfriend and you sit back and do nothing. Fair enough if thats what you would do. Not me.

[Gingermick]

Gingermick, Did I not read your post correctly? Was it not your SWMBO who physically attacked the next door

He was grabbing and pushing gently so she slapped him gently. And the house was also his wife's and she wanted her to stay. This bloke has hit his wife and choked her till she passed out.


So someone belts your wife, mum, sister or girlfriend and you sit back and do nothing. Fair enough if thats what you would do. Not me.

She grabbed me and screamed that she would never forgive me if I went over there. That's one of the reasons this is so bloody stressful. I can not act.

[johnc]

Mick,

I think your wife is right, using aggression against aggression just escalates the problem. This bloke sounds as if he needs help in the form of anger management and there are services who can help, but only if he wants help. Sometimes the push comes from a partner leaving, court intervention, the violence getting to the point even the aggressor has a problem with it, even a relative or friend who finally gets through. Counselling also works for the victim in identifying signs, and minimising risk, which does not imply fault I might add.

It wouldn't stop me telling him he was an idiot who needs help, pushing around women is for cowards, and this time/next time the police will be involved.

But don't threaten action unless you are going to deliver, if you threaten the cops then make sure you are ready to get on the blower and be prepared for what you need to say.

Goodluck, it sounds like an awful situation for all concerned.

John.

[lesmeyer]

Remember,
violence begets violence.
If anyone ever assaults my family, I will thrash the living daylights out of 'em.
Calmly yours
Les

[Gingermick]

But don't threaten action unless you are going to deliver, if you threaten the cops then make sure you are ready to get on the blower and be prepared for what you need to say.

Goodluck, it sounds like an awful situation for all concerned.

John.

Statement has been made.
He does have a major problem with anger. SWMBO was trying to get him to react that way and that maybe it would cause him to think about it, but he didn't and went way overboard. Time to let the law deal with it.

[ozwinner]

I just had a look at the chart that Gingermick put up, I think someone needs to do a refresher course on maths.

Al :?

[reeves]

sorry i didnt vote a bit too ambiguos for me, not specific enough.

In general I definaltey dont think its ok to hit or manhandle a women but if the woman is a junkie coming at you with a knife or hammer you might not have much choice.

If its a bloke well only if they are coming at ya first, if its a child abuser who hurts kids or a nutter whose learing at your wife, getting in first might be a good idea.

So in general only use force as a last resort or means of protection or in the case of child abusers/pedophiles a means of introduction.

;-)

[Harry72]

I agree with Les And Lig, I know its not good but at the end of the day most of these type's that Mick is dealing with would not stop because they got a slap on the wrist from the law(99% of cases). If they know they'll cop a hidding from others they will have second thoughts... seen it happen several times.

[Zed]

move. lose the neighbour.

you're wife is a goose for hanging out with them.

if someone bashed my wife he'd be missing teeth.

your poll doesnt have enough options such as "its ok to defend yourself and or your family"

[Lignum]

I agree with Les And Lig, .

Fair enough to agree with me. But Les had his tounge firmly in his cheek because of the " violence begets violence" reference.

[Gingermick]

move. lose the neighbour

No way are we gonna move. We got in just before the housing market exploded. Financial craziness.


you're wife is a goose for hanging out with them

She is a goose, there have been many incidents and reasons to stay away, but my kids love their kids so she also ends up there with them.


if someone bashed my wife he'd be missing teeth.

I had planned much more than that


your poll doesnt have enough options such as "its ok to defend yourself and or your family"

I thought that would be a given.
Thanks for your input.

[lesmeyer]

Fair enough to agree with me. But Les had his tounge firmly in his cheek because of the " violence begets violence" reference.
Lig,
you are very much awake. My statement actually is a double edged sword.
I will not hesitate to use physical force to protect my family, but I will never instigate violence.
I am sick of hearing the do-gooders telling everyone to not retaliate with force, and they then quote the "violence begets violence" thing. Think about it. It means that the person who first became violent should have been told before he/she became violent. However we know that for the most part of such cases, the perpetrator usually has a history of violence.
And so one could go on...
Les

[thetassiebfg]

Two Quotes from Gandhi

<dl><dt class="quote">"I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent."</dt></dl>"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence."


It's a hard call but my view is that violence is never the answer whatever the situation.. However defence is different but when you go past the point of reasonable force then you have become the problem you were attempting to resolve.

Fear does not equal respect


TheTassieBFG

[Harry72]

Fair enough to agree with me. But Les had his tounge firmly in his cheek because of the " violence begets violence" reference.
I was actualy refering to his second coment " If anyone ever assaults my family, I will thrash the living daylights out of 'em."

[Gingermick]

I just had a look at the chart that Gingermick put up, I think someone needs to do a refresher course on maths.

Al :?

Wasn;t sure about the referencing requirements and only looked at the top section, (re breakfast debate tother day) But they do get 6.2 and 1.6 to add up to 7.1, and you have to understand, in this era of subatomic particle dominance, time, and consequently mathematics, have developed an ability to make the absurd reasonable and vice versa:?:?:?:?:?:?

[Clinton1]

Mick,
I was not critiscising you.... you are to be admired for taking the calmer path.

Me, I have a remarkable tendancy to stuff things up... so I'm sure that I would reacted in a manner that would not have helped.

If your initial reaction was to go over and hand out some pain, then its a natural reaction for a lot of people, and I'm sure that holding back turned your stomache over and is probably still causing stress.
Hot heads usually prevail... and often resolve nothing at all.

The way I see it.... its probably better to sort it out 'calmly', however much that sucks, and then address the seperate issue of 'is it worth it to expose our children to this idiocity just for having play friends', i.e. what are your children learning from this idiot.

The side issue of him getting a slap on the wrist or not.... not really relevant if you are in the lock-up or facing a charge.

I know it is difficult to have to to be the 'stronger and wiser' person.

At the end of the day... its something to sort out, and I'm sure you wish it wasn't in your life at all.
Good luck with it all.

[Gingermick]

Mick,
I was not critiscising you.... you are to be admired for taking the calmer path.

Me, I have a remarkable tendancy to stuff things up... so I'm sure that I would reacted in a manner that would not have helped.l.

It went furher last night, probably shouldn't say anything about what happened as it will go to court, but I ended up spending the night in hospital after provoking no one.
I got king hit from the right and my eye wont open.
Twas the result of the stupidity of a friend of SWMBO's
bloody idiot women (no a generalisation)

[scooter]

Bloody hell, Mick, stay out of swingin' reach, mate.

[Clinton1]

Mick,

As much as we want to do the right thing, sometimes we forget that it is more important to do the right thing our own family.

As good a set of playmates that the other families kids are for your own... your kids now have a father that has been belted by a ratbag.

Mate, it must be hard... feeling for you.

[johnc]

Mick,

I would hate to be in your shoes at the moment, and hope that something works out to improve the whole useless mess your neighbour has created.

Goodluck with whatever happens next (hopefully something custodial)

John.

[keith53]

It went furher last night, probably shouldn't say anything about what happened as it will go to court, but I ended up spending the night in hospital after provoking no one.
I got king hit from the right and my eye wont open.
Twas the result of the stupidity of a friend of SWMBO's
bloody idiot women (no a generalisation)


Mick,

I feel really sorry for you. Obviously you've been taught to avoid violence and that's a shame. You need to get yourself to a point where if someone hurts your missus, you drop them like a suitcase! End of story. If they do it again, you hit them twice as hard. Either they'll get sick of it, or need some longterm care. Doesn't matter if you're big or not, follow the ancient art of lap gooch.

There's nothing to be gained from turning the other cheek, other than to be hit on the other side of the face!

In a perfect world there wouldn't be any voilence but the reality is that we don't live in such a place. I'm afraid that anyone who preaches tolerance in your example or any other circumstance of overt voilence, needs to reach down between their legs, under their pecker, and grab and squeeze. If it doesn't hurt, don't worry, you're destined to be trampled on anyway. If it does hurt, then you still have some balls and so there's still some hope for you.

The situation you describe is like Don Quixote. You see things one way and the neanderthal you're dealing with probably has claim to only half a brain and will never see reason. Like begets like. These idiots only understand one thing and unfortunately, the harder you hit him, the more you make your point. To overcome damage to both yourself and SWMBO, drop down to his level for a minute or two and kick the ????? out of him.

Hope the eye heals quickly.

Keith

[reeves]

The situation you describe is like Don Quixote. You see things one way and the neanderthal you're dealing with probably has claim to only half a brain and will never see reason. Like begets like. These idiots only understand one thing and unfortunately, the harder you hit him, the more you make your point. To overcome damage to both yourself and SWMBO, drop down to his level for a minute or two and kick the ????? out of him.

Hope the eye heals quickly.

Keith

Interesting comments Keith, i tend to agree.

I wont go into a long story but we have a series of incidents with the idiot next door which have ended up with one of his 2 girls age 11 and 13 still in rehab hostpital crippled for life with permanent brain damage and a valve in her heart and the other one seriously traumatised on suicide watch under DOCS foster care. He is now only allowed see them under strict government supervision and when his trial comes around he is likley to be jailed for some years.

The asshole is charge with grevious bodily harm and cruelty to a child under 12 and my wife had to sit through the committal hearing as a witness while said dickhead represented himself. Now they bailed him as he got a good lawyer and as he had been harrasing witnesses we had to go along to the bail hearing, i was reprimanded for carrying a small<?> wooden club into the courthouse and before that threatening to kill him several times as he came on my property which he hasnt since.. My wife was close to the girls and all the local women have been severly emotionaly traumatised, the wife still having dreams and get upset. Now i had a strange urge to kill him for some weeks before it happened whenever i saw him, he never done nothing directly to me or my wife other than us off so i have never approached him. Now if i had acted on my instincts a little more and even broken the law maybe the girls would not be damaged for life, maybe not who knows.

Theres more to this sad story but i wont elaborate on it unless anyone wants me to.

The moral of the story is Mick that sometime you gotta protect yourself and yr family, if you dont then yr gonna get damaged or worse women and kids will get hurt but i guess you may be thinking about that now. Hope it all works out well mate.

[Gingermick]

...Though the good to came out of round 2 is that SWMBO now knows that neighbour over the road (The female she was trying to help originally, belted her and kicked her friday) is as much of a mongrel as her abusive partner. That woman had an out and has now lost the best friend she will ever have.
On the upside, I can open my eye a bit this morning. As a result of an accident 6 years ago I lost the hearing in my right side. It was dark and this person yelled some abuse at me, I turned to my left (which is where everything I hear seems to come from) he came and took a free shot from the right. The other upside is that SWMBO has vowed to stop drinking. I'll just keep a photo of myself at home to show her anytime she feels like a drink.

[Gingermick]

You see things one way and the neanderthal you're dealing with probably has claim to only half a brain and will never see reason.
Keith
Was one of his mates who attacked me

e harder you hit him, the more you make your point. To overcome damage to both yourself and SWMBO, drop down to his level for a minute or two and kick the ????? out of him.

The blind side hit rendered me senseless for a bit, but he ended up in hospital too. I am very glad the abusive neighbour (only person who remaned calm) pulled him off me (because I got some recompence while on the ground let me assure you) I may have ended up finishing him off.
Which would not have been good for anyone .....on a mac at present and icons wont works but insert the shaking head one

[Gingermick]

Doesn't matter if you're big or not, follow the ancient art of lap gooch.

Not famliar with lap gooch, please edify:D

[Poppa]

I've tried to stay out of this thread because I hold views that most folks are probably going to put some kind of label on. But I just can't help myself!
I do not believe in turning the other cheek. I do not believe that it is wrong to use violence when it is necessary and the right thing to do. I decided a long time ago that I would live my life according to what I believe was right and good. And if that means that sometimes I need to belt someone to stop other people getting hurt, or to stop a grave wrong being done, then so be it. I know full well that there may be consequences from such actions, and that the moronic society that we live in today would probably want to lock me away for such things. And I will live with those consequences if and when the time comes. I do not believe that consequences should be gauged when making a decision about what is the right thing to do.
So, if someone enters my house using stealth or force, I will assume that they are there for the express purpose of doing my family harm and I will deal with them using whatever force I deem necessary. If I see someone committing violence against another person I will not just stand by - I will enter the fray on the side of the angels. If that means that I am injured or incarcerated, so be it. I will not stand by and let evil be done.
A long time ago I read some books that taught me about honour. I've never forgotten the lesson. I've embarassed my wife on many occasions because I will not allow wrongdoing to occur in my presence without trying to do something about it. She thinks I should just let it happen like everyone else does.
And Mick, if it were my neighbour I would ring the police every time there was a disturbance. If there was a physical threat to the safety of a child or another innocent person involved and the police were tardy in their response (a not unknown occurrence), then I would act. That is just who I am. I applaud you for trying to do your best in a difficult situation and for not just standing idly by. I also applaud your self-control, which in your situation I'm afraid I would lack.
It is my belief that if everyone stood up for what is right and just the world would be a far better place, and we would soon outnumber the arseholes of the world instead of the reverse being the case. I believe in truth, honour, and personal responsibility. Old fashioned I know. Don't care.
Oh and to those who say "leave it to the police", I say NO. We have left it to the courts and the pollies and the police for too long. Our society is being eroded by those who are making stupid laws and making us incapable (legally) of defending ourselves. It is our responsibility as members of this society to try to do the right thing - it is not something that we should leave to others. Stand up and be counted. The police are pretty much powerless because we've allowed our "leaders" to make them so. Either that or they are so busy they can't spare the time. Does anyone really live under the illusion that the police protect us anymore? If you do then I wish you luck next time someone with evil in their heart wants to do you or your family harm.

[keith53]

Not famliar with lap gooch, please edify:D

Mick, (put your tongue around your cheek now):D

Its an ancient Welsh art, which uses a shilaley, and you hit the other guy even before he's thought of hitting you. That's why its so effective! Its a silly comment, I know, but my accountant (he's also my mate) and I solve a lot of problems by speculating on the effectiveness of this questionable ancient art.

My previous post probably oversimplified things a bit but it really peeves me when idiots exert a physical advantage over someone, (often and usually women and children) simply because they can.

In my case, its reminded me that many unfortunate and innocent people in East Timor were unncecssarily killed because a bunch of monkeys that just climed down from the trees were suddenly given the means to wreck havoc. No commonsense, no thought for the poor buggers who couldn't protect or defend themselves but, hey, we've got the guns, lets go out and kill people, that makes us superior. Of course, put a few hundred well-trained Australian soldiers into the mix and the whole equation changes. They ran like mongrel dogs. You're neighbour doesn't seem a whole lot different to me.

I'll stop rambling now except to make the observation that most posts I can take or leave. Now and then something gets the blood boiling and you're post is an example of this.

I really hope things work out and that you can move to a place where you have the sort of decent neighbours most of the rest of us have.

Cheers,
Keith

[keith53]

I've tried to stay out of this thread because I hold views that most folks are probably going to put some kind of label on. But I just can't help myself!
I do not believe in turning the other cheek. I do not believe that it is wrong to use violence when it is necessary and the right thing to do. I decided a long time ago that I would live my life according to what I believe was right and good. And if that means that sometimes I need to belt someone to stop other people getting hurt, or to stop a grave wrong being done, then so be it. I know full well that there may be consequences from such actions, and that the moronic society that we live in today would probably want to lock me away for such things. And I will live with those consequences if and when the time comes. I do not believe that consequences should be gauged when making a decision about what is the right thing to do.
So, if someone enters my house using stealth or force, I will assume that they are there for the express purpose of doing my family harm and I will deal with them using whatever force I deem necessary. If I see someone committing violence against another person I will not just stand by - I will enter the fray on the side of the angels. If that means that I am injured or incarcerated, so be it. I will not stand by and let evil be done.
A long time ago I read some books that taught me about honour. I've never forgotten the lesson. I've embarassed my wife on many occasions because I will not allow wrongdoing to occur in my presence without trying to do something about it. She thinks I should just let it happen like everyone else does.
And Mick, if it were my neighbour I would ring the police every time there was a disturbance. If there was a physical threat to the safety of a child or another innocent person involved and the police were tardy in their response (a not unknown occurrence), then I would act. That is just who I am. I applaud you for trying to do your best in a difficult situation and for not just standing idly by. I also applaud your self-control, which in your situation I'm afraid I would lack.
It is my belief that if everyone stood up for what is right and just the world would be a far better place, and we would soon outnumber the arseholes of the world instead of the reverse being the case. I believe in truth, honour, and personal responsibility. Old fashioned I know. Don't care.
Oh and to those who say "leave it to the police", I say NO. We have left it to the courts and the pollies and the police for too long. Our society is being eroded by those who are making stupid laws and making us incapable (legally) of defending ourselves. It is our responsibility as members of this society to try to do the right thing - it is not something that we should leave to others. Stand up and be counted. The police are pretty much powerless because we've allowed our "leaders" to make them so. Either that or they are so busy they can't spare the time. Does anyone really live under the illusion that the police protect us anymore? If you do then I wish you luck next time someone with evil in their heart wants to do you or your family harm.


Hear, Hear!!

[Gingermick]

I too believe iin truth honour and personal ressponsibility. I was keen to take my bluegum mackeral smashing thing over on the wednesday, but SWMBO insisted the she must be obeyed and I was, under no circumtances, to get myself involved. The neighbours have no honour and their three boys will grow thinking its ok to grab and push around and threaten women. Thats a shame but SWMBO now realises that this woman (who told her that she loved her soooo much) was using her so she now feels nothing but sorrow for her kids. I have since taken the decision that these animals are not human and therefore not able to be included in the poll. Slag made her own bed and kept making it and now I dont care what happens to her. I still care for the kids and if I see neglect will inform child services, but that's all we can do. Thamks for your input poppa

[Burnsy]

I lived with a mate at his house for about a year and he had two run down weather board places next door that were obviously cheap rental. They generally attracted uni students and hippy types but for about five months we had some real low lifes living there. No kids thankfully but he use to really get into his girlfriend verbally and you would hear things being smashed. We were both working in landscape construction and always had a ute or trailer full of gear in the drive. After a few weeks of trying to ignore him we took to aggressively (complete with grunts and growls) knocking the concrete off our shovels on the concrete footpath right out the front of his gate every time he started and he would stop real quick. I guess he didn't want to see what would happen if we had to open his gate before he stopped. He probably still did it when we were not around but it did use to make us feel better and provide some light entertainment for us in the evenings.

[la Huerta]

a mate of mine teaches self defence for woman, the result is not just a woman that can defend herself but 'confidence' knowing that men are not stronger and woman are not weaker...

they often get abused so bad because they think they can never overpower a man...
but they do have the power, i don't mean they will all be able to beat him up but having a stronger mind and doing something about it like going to the cops is also a way to overpower the him...

it makes me sad to hear about this abuse, and the fact that the woman does nothing about it because she is just too scared or thinks to one will listen...

[Gingermick]

This woman was given an out, courtesy of SWMBO and she responded by bashing her. Now the poor dear has two assault charges against her and no friends. hopefully she will want to leave ASAP.
The police explained that the response to an assault has to be in the same league and a little slap compared to a punch to the jaw and kicks on the ground were not justifiable actions.
My actions have been deemed justifiable and they were going to arrest the mongrel this morn. :2tsup: