Is moderation here biased?

[sbranden]

I constantly get my posts moderated. In particular anything leaning slightly to the left. I am wondering if this forum is biased towards right wing politics? I just noticed that a post I made to the David Hicks thread was removed with no notice at all, no explanation, nothing. While some quite nasty right leaning posts are still there. Has anyone else noticed biased moderation in these forums?

[martrix]

yes.

[echnidna]

Ive never noticed that sort of moderation here.

[ozwinner]

Rather than whinge about it, look at the other forums on the net, there are plenty, join one of them, see how far you get. :doh:

When you have had enough of the other forums, come back here and kiss the feet of Neil. :U

Al :2tsup:

[outback]

I lock horns with the mods here as often as anyone. I don't always agree with the way things are run, and say so. I call a spade a ????ing shovel and wear the consequences.

NEVER NEVER NEVER have I had the slightest thought that in ANY way the moderation is biased in ANY way.

[Wood Butcher]

This is part of the rules of this forum
The owner, administrators and moderators of this BB reserve the right to delete any message or members for any or no reason whatsoever.The moderators try not to be biased and I can assure you that there were other posts deleted, not just yours.

[Gumby]

So where's the poll ?? :?

I want to vote NO !

[ozwinner]

If we were biased, do you really thing this thread would still be here? :?

Think about it. :doh:

Al :U

[Sturdee]

I just noticed that a post I made to the David Hicks thread was removed with no notice at all, no explanation, nothing. While some quite nasty right leaning posts are still there. Has anyone else noticed biased moderation in these forums?


I haven't noticed any political bias in the moderation especially not in the David Hicks debate.

If your post has been removed then it must have been in breach of the forum rules, and if so they don't need to give you notice or an explanation for you should know the rules.


Peter.

[Wood Butcher]

So where's the poll ?? :?Right up the top where it supposed to be:wink::p

[sbranden]

So where's the poll ?? :?

I want to vote NO !

Actually, it looks like it was added automatically or by someone while I was writing the options. I had 6 options, but when I posted them it complained that the poll was already posted. Oh well this poll will do just fine.

shaun

[Gra]

The moderation here is very mild.. What you may have had happened (It happens to me all the time) is a time out. If you spend too long composing your post it will sometime disappear into cyberspace

[Big Shed]

Maybe I misunderstand the question, but I think there are more right-handed woodwokers than left-handed ones:D

[johnc]

Sometimes we make the mistake of noticing the posts the idiots with opposing view have, as opposed to the sensible ones on our side of the arguement. I haven't noticed any bias, and if posts have been moderated there has probably been something that has caught the mods eye, and as with everything subjective judgement can be allusive in the eye of the editee when their heart felt opinion has been edited by the editor. Defamatory or libelous comments can unintentionally appear in the heat of the arguement and a bit of careful editing is good for the soul and to keep the blood pressure down on more sensitive comments.

John.

[watson]

G'day Shaun,
Not having a go, but in the light of your last post (6 choices etc) there might be a keyboard or typing problem that is causing your trouble.
Just a thought.........
And, I love testing the moderation system.......I started a drivel "nitey nite" post after all the poll on drivel posts...it took 1 hour 17 minutes before it was closed.
Which gives me a warm fuzzy feeling..that the moderators are doing their job......without bias I think

[Groggy]

I composed a post the other day that turned to vapour somehow. There may well be a glitch somewhere, has anyone else noticed their posts vaporising for no apparent reason?

[dazzler]

My posts have been disappearing.

But seeing as most arent worth ^&&%^ its no great loss :D

[dazzler]

And I love everyone - ecspecially the moderators :2tsup: :wink:

[watson]

G'day Groggy,
I often have posts disappear, during typing.......if I bump the mouse.......vapour!

[felixe]

I vote Yes!:2tsup: But I question why it is seen as bad?:dev:

Whenever someone screams :upset: "Bias!!" everyone assumes it to be negative.:yikes:

There have been many recent threads whingeing:bawl: and whineing :bawl:about moderation etc etc. :tissue2:

As it has been clearly pointed out on many occasions, including previously by woodbutcher :wts:

"The owner, administrators and moderators of this BB reserve the right to delete any message or members for any or no reason whatsoever. "

This is not a democratic forum, it is run by Neil/Ubeaut and as a guest or member we are subjected to their bias how they see the forum should be run!!:repplus:


:realbighug: This is, has and will probably always be a great forum to log onto, learn a bit of woodwork and have a laugh - what more could you want??:groupwave:

Get over it:shake: - It is time we got back to the woodwork!!



:finch::finch::finch::finch::finch::finch::finch::finch::finch::finch:

[Grunt]

I read the post that SBrandan (Shaun) posted and can't understand why it was deleted. It did mention the government but the governments actions or lack there of have been mentioned mention many time in this thread.

I think Shaun was hard done by in this instance.

[Honorary Bloke]

I constantly get my posts moderated. In particular anything leaning slightly to the left.

As this is a woodworking forum, I assume you mean the old left-tilt vs. right-tilt table saw debate. I think it has been done to death. Just use whichever one you feel more comfortable with--and in any case be very careful whichever way your saw tilts not to cut your fingers off.

[Clinton1]

Yes, the moderators are biased.

How could any person not have a bias? Show me an unbiased person and I'll show you a 'yes man'.

Do I have a problem with any of the moderators?
NO, not at all.
Not because they agree with my positions, but because they do an excellent, fair and often thankless job.

I'm sure that when a moderator comes across a post that stirrs the pot too much, or plays the man, that they might step in - and apply a decision based on their perspective (i.e. bias).... however I do think that a fair cross section of all views are seen across the board.

Anyway, apparently the forum is supposed to be a Woodwork forum, not a uni debate room, bar or coffee shop! :D

[Lignum]

Apart from their many faults, their actually not bad blokes:wink:

[Wood Butcher]

Maybe Shaun should be privately asking the moderators or administrators why his post was deleted instead of trying to turn this issue into another sledging against the management team (which we are all getting very sick and tired of)

As quite a few people have mentioned in this thread, none of us in the moderation team get paid a cent for what we do. We are all human and have our own opinions of what is suitable content, but we are all individuals which means that trying to have one hard and fast set of standards is near impossible.

Basically it comes down to this, we don't have to give anyone a reason why a post is/was deleted or moderated. Considering I alone spend at least an hour just doing moderation duties here almost everyday which is time I don't get to leisurely browse the forums, I don't want to have to be spending another hour (or more) writing messages justifying what I've done. And before anyone says it, I do this job because I enjoy being a part of this community, becuase I've made some damn good friends because of this place.

So if you don't like what we do or how we do it then bugger off, because realistically you are in a very, very small minority here!:((

[AlexS]

Absolutely not.
Damn good thing I'm not a moderator!

[JDarvall]

I wouldn't know. It be natural for some to lean one way or the other eh.

Far better than some sites though. Some are just biased entirely by mates. I got banned from a site in the UK. No, I wasn't rude. I just told the truth, and because it was against a favorite member, I was 'removed'. Convienently too before I got a chance to display the hard facts. The thread was removed as well, because uno, you don't want anybody thinking badly of your mate, no matter what the truth is :roll: .

They wrote under my name.....which is displayed under every post I've made......' Banned - last warning '......lovely. I was lied too, got understandably angry about it, and got banned for it..... Mateship. Its good to have mates. But if your alone against a bunch of them, you haven't got a chance, no matter what the truth is.

[DavidG]

Not biased.
A little inconsistent at times but so is the weather.
Don't know what we would do without them.
To the Mods. :yesmaster: :cheers2:

[Lignum]

If we were biased, do you really thing this thread would still be here? :?

Think about it. :doh:

Al :U

As opposed to the threads you start and delete without notice:wink:

[Wild Dingo]

I dont usually vote on these poll things but made an exception this time :;

My vote?

No

Reasons

While its true they dont have to explain why theyve deleted or "modified" {see daddiddlydaddles I membas things :; } Ive found that in almost all instances where my post has been removed or tampered with the mod in question has contacted me one way or the other to advise me of the so called "error of my ways" breach as they see it and given me the opportunity to change the post myself or explained why the change was viewed as necessary... on reflection I always came to the conclusion...

No worries

Only once a fair while back was one of the gits underhanded enough to swat my post and not explain why but I put that down to the wrong time of the month for him :roll: :U

In fact I think theyre pretty damned lenient in their moderation of posts and threads :2tsup: :2tsup:

Thing is I think they no more want to swat a thread or post than anyone else but they have been offered and accepted for their own masochistic - sadistic reasons to help and assist Neil and moderate and "control" this board so that anyone regardless of age or gender will feel comfortable joining learning and sharing

I say bloody good on em! keep up the work :2tsup: thankless task by fellow woodnuts and woodboobs who give their time with no reward rare thanks and often {ala this thread} tinged with deigration... why? so we can all enjoy what is by far the best damned woodworkers site on the net... bar none! :2tsup:

A better thread poll would be something like
"Do you think Neil should shout the mods a round or two?" to that Id say YES!! :U needless to say so would they while Neil would have conipshuns while frantically dialing for help!! :U :U

[ozwinner]

As opposed to the threads you start and delete without notice:wink:

Every member has the choice to delete their own threads within 24 hours, and without giving notice.

Al :2tsup:

[jmk89]

Sometimes grumpy, often idiosyncratic, but the only systematic bias I can see is to try to keep everyone who uses the fora relatively happy and to encourage a degree of tolerance among users.

The only occasions where I have been moderated is when I did something that I knew pushed the limits (either as to good taste or inflamatory comment), and I could see why the mods did what they did (sometimes they explain, sometimes they don't, I prefer it when they do but I can cope if they don't).

[RETIRED]

I rarely reply to polls, but in this case I am making an exception.


I constantly get my posts moderated.
Some facts: In the last 6 months, 1 post deleted in the normal forums. 3 posts deleted in a Friday Drivel thread which was completely deleted. No where near the record of some members here.

I deleted a few posts from that thread. One of the forumites sent me a PM asking why to which I responded.

Your post was vitriolic and hateful, based purely on your own BIASED opinion.

It could not and will not be allowed to stay here.

It is all in the way that opinions are stated.

I refer you to a post I made a while ago but we have relaxed a little since then. http://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=11512

[Bleedin Thumb]

Come on Guys... we all know that the mods are a bunch of right wing, bourgeois, fascist pigs...... come the revolution they will be the first to get the chop.

But until then ........ :yesmaster:

[Big Shed]

I constantly get my posts moderated.


Constantly? 1 post in 6 months, drivel threads don't count?

Wow, you are hard done by!:roll:

[Waldo]

G'day,

I'll change my vote from no, to say yes, it is biased at times. :((

[namtrak]

Who cares.

Jeez I've had my fair share of extraordinarily witty and sharply observant posts deleted and I couldn't give a toss. We all have bigger fish to fry than this.

As an an example, here is a decidedly perspicacious anecdote. I once had a lecturer tell me that everyone had bias. I thought he was a dickhead. Go figure. :D

[journeyman Mick]

.................Jeez I've had my fair share of extraordinarily witty and sharply observant posts deleted................

I must have missed them, or they all got deleted.:o :q

Mick (being extraordinarily sharp):;

[namtrak]

....... they all got deleted.............

Der!!!

Obviously.

:D

Case in point, anyone want advice on installing a fireplace? :p

[Wongo]

No, they have the responsibility to look after the forums and sometimes we don’t like it. They are all pretty cool blokes really.

[Wongo]

Hang on, someone has just modified my post. Bastard! :D

[Studley 2436]

I don't think I have had a post deleted. Might have just don't remember.

did ask me, take special note he asked me first to change my signature, which was a Billy Connelly joke about blow jobs and the trade practices act so I put my current one on then. That is the only time I remember having a mod contact me for any mod type reason.

Studley

[TassieKiwi]

[quote=namtrak;486656]Who cares.



decidedly perspicacious /quote]

...does that mean leaning to the left, but steeply:?

:p

[Bleedin Thumb]

a perspicacious anecdote. :D


Is that like an expialadosious exclamation?

[Clinton1]

"Do you think Neil should shout the mods a round or two?"


I reckon I should shout Neil and the mods a round or two!

[Daddles]

I reckon I should shout Neil and the mods a round or two!

I'll drink to that :D

Richard
moderator **hic**

[Santalum]

No bias here, in fact I would say just the opposite, but then whats the old saying, give em an inch and they'll take (maybe should read expect) a mile, there's a fine line between use and abuse.:)

[Bob38S]

I voted NO.

I am not aware of any post of mine being moderated/deleted. My humour, at times, can be a little obtuse but not harmful.

I've heard others "speak" of posts/threads modified/deleted but I haven't come across any.

In the time I have been a member of this forum I have always been made to feel welcome, have been given assistance with regards the questions I posed and have enjoyed the to and fro even though some of the "discussions" can get a little "heavy" at times.

I don't think I am alone in what I have stated above - if this is due to biased moderation - then bring it on.

Regards,
Bob

[outback]

OK, we're going down that track are we.



I'm perfect, never had a post modified deleted or even looked at. :roll:

[RETIRED]

OK, we're going down that track are we.



I'm perfect, never had a post modified deleted or even looked at. :roll:Pigs airborne today, are they?:D :no:

[Bleedin Thumb]

I've heard others "speak" of posts/threads modified/deleted but I haven't come across any.



Well you would hardly come across them now would you...they've been deleted!:no: :U

Maybe the Mods could leave a mark every time they deleted a post....kinda like X marks the spot of where it used to be.:rolleyes: Just so we dont tread on it.:roll:

[HappyHammer]

I'm perfect, never had a post modified deleted or even looked at. :roll:

Me too what's all the fuss about:?

HH.

[outback]

Pigs airborne today, are they?:D :no:


Cheeky boy :q

[DavidG]

At this point I would post a pix of a pig flying but the last time I did some one deleted it. :B

[Bob38S]

OK, we're going down that track are we.



I'm perfect, never had a post modified deleted or even looked at. :roll:


Not suggesting for one moment that I have ever reached any stage of perfection in anything.

I'm just having a little difficulty seeing what the problem is

- read the rules - I understand it is not a democracy - and I choose to participate.

I am encouraged to participate within the scope of the rules.

I also am aware that if I overstep the bounds that I will be censured.

All I was suggesting is that, I don't think I have overstepped the mark.

My contribution to this thread was not to have a go at nor support any particular poster or position.

Regards,
Bob

[RobP]

Not suggesting for one moment that I have ever reached any stage of perfection in anything.

I used to be conceited but now I'm perfect. :)

[underfoot]

Iv'e never had any of my 1,263 posts deleted:rolleyes:
underfoot

[ozwinner]

Hang on, someone has just modified my post. Bastard! :D

Last edited by Wongo : 29th Mar 2007 at 02:08 PM. Reason: This post was modified by ozwinner :D

Very clever of you Scott!! :2tsup:

So if I go and delete my name put there by persons unknown, my name WILL be there. :doh:

Al :q

[Zed]

no, all are treated failrly and even handedly.

[TEEJAY]

Of all the posts I submited I have had one deleted and understandably so - well i was a bit embarrassed that my humour could have been seen as offensive.

I don't think it is a question of whether or not the mods are biased because to be human is to be biased. But rather are the mods either consistant or reasonable.

Each mod is different from the next so consistency is not exactly the same but generally in the same flavour and I definitely believe the mods are reasonable.

[Groggy]

I don't know how anyone could possibly think I had leanings to the right.

[silentC]

They're not biased, they hate us all equally!

:p

[himzol]

Hmmmmmmmm...... seems like the No's have it.

[chrisp]

I think the moderators do a great job. This would have to be one of the most fun, entertaining and informative BB going.

As an occasional poster (but avid reader) I've had a few posts deleted when a whole thread was removed. It usually doesn't worry me but I do miss the "greenie" I got for one of my unusually witty posts when the thread was deleted:(

[Wood Borer]

I have only had a couple of posts modified and clearly they were written when I had a bee in my hat about non woodworking issues. I was hot under the collar when I wrote those remarks.

In hindsight I can see they could have offended innocent people or possibly got me into strife.

My modified posts still clearly conveyed my messages.

I haven't seen any evidence of moderation based on politics but I have observed the moderators showing bias against racism, stupidity, religious based hatred and other senseless comments.

Keep up the good work moderators.:2tsup:

[Ray153]

I know that they are biased. Never had a post deleted or censored and it would not bother me overly much if I do in the future. What I would like is some explanation given should I transgress inthe opinion of one or more of the mods. Will I get that explanation every time? Probably not as I am realistic enough to know that the mods has limited time and have every right to use that limited time here to satisfy their own interests.
Every single member of this BB has a bias one way or the other. We are all a product of our environment and experiences. Human nature being what it is means that every action, thought or impulse is driven by those experiences and opinions. It is impossible to be a functioning human being and be free of bias. I have no doubt that every moderator here has a bias to greater or lesser degree on any subject that could conceivably fall under the umbrella of woodworking, and rightly so in my opinion.
The way I see it is this. I choose to participate in this BB to a small degree and I see the mods as the umpires and Neil as the owner of this particular bat and ball. I have to play under the scrutiny of the umpires and they have every right to make a ruling on how I play with the bat and/or ball.
If I don't like it, I have 3 choices. I can either modify the way I contribute, keep urinating into bigger and bigger winds I can find, or go elsewhere. Option one allows me to continue learning on this forum.
Option two can only end up badly for me and ruin it for others, ultimately I dare say I will go the way of some others who would/could not play well with others.
I suspect that those who allege bias and cry censorship are just upset that they have come across a person who holds and expresses a different opinion to them. Bound to happen in life and all progress in life depends on the unreasonable man. Waste time bashing you head against the unreasonable mans brick wall and you get nowhere. Acknowledge their point of view, avoid eye contact and back away slowly, avoiding any sudden moves....
Option three would be a lot less wasteful, frustrating, detrimental and much quicker than option two.

[Wild Dingo]

I haven't seen any evidence of moderation based on politics but I have observed the moderators showing bias against racism, stupidity, religious based hatred and other senseless comments.

Keep up the good work moderators.:2tsup:

I agreed with you up to tht word me ol china :2tsup: .. but if they moderated based on stupidity I for one wouldnt be able to post much and what I did some wombat mod would cencor the hell out of it!! :~

Stupisity is discrimation and none of the mods would dare be so pc as to base their slaps on someones stupisity :no:

[MajorPanic]

Not bias per se ......... but a bit of favouritism seem to be creeping in.

[BobL]

Nnoe of my psots hvee eevr baen mdoteraedd.

[Ashore]

Not bias per se ......... but a bit of favouritism seem to be creeping in.

for one has always cut and slashed equally as long as i've posted but lately there seems to have crept in some favourtism with some of the other mods
BUT they are the mods chosen by neil and so be there decision ,
I am sure that if they get too out of hand then the axe may swing there way as well

..
I guess that that some can't understand how people can change when they are asked to moderate a forum , espically when there attitude changes so much and they reform from someone who bucks the system and is one of the biggest shi* stirrers to someone who becomes a goodie two shoes almost overnight and forget what they have posted previously or who they have upset or why or how .
It comes back to the old adage give anyone a set of keys , a Hat or a gun and they think they are invincible .
The mods here do a fair job the forum has so many posts daily that neil needs as many mods as he has just to keep the , crap and spam removed and they do a great job , 24 hours a day and they don't get paid for it .
So yes they are biased but they do keep a great forum up and running and you as members have the right to say so unlike a lot of other forums.
Check out the other wood forums and you will find very few that you can post a PM to the owner with a complaint and get a reply.


BTW how many of you who are complaining about the mods have approched Neil and asked if he required your assistance as a mod

[ozwinner]

for one has always cut and slashed equally as long as i've posted but lately there seems to have crept in some favourtism with some of the other mods
BUT they are the mods chosen by neil and so be there decision ,
I am sure that if they get too out of hand then the axe may swing there way as well


Hard to believe I know, :roll: but all the mods moderate each others posts too, yep even Neil and get moderated. :o



I guess that that some can't understand how people can change when they are asked to moderate a forum ,


Thatll be me :roll:, maybe I grew up? :?



espically when there attitude changes so much and they reform from someone who bucks the system and is one of the biggest shi* stirrers


Im still a big tihs stirrer, I just do it in different ways now. :U Obviously I havent lost the touch. :cool:

I also figure Neil chose me to do this job for all the things you state, owwhh, and because I look good in foil.. :q:o



to someone who becomes a goodie two shoes almost overnight and forget what they have posted previously or who they have upset or why or how .


Me again, :o Lots of people really tihs me off in the past too.
People seem to forget that the tihsing goes both ways. :doh:

I try not to do biased, I dont hold grudges, I get over things and move on. :U





It comes back to the old adage give anyone a set of keys , a Hat or a gun and they think they are invincible .


Sorry, I was never in the armed forces. :q


Al :)

[outback]

I have considered offering my services. But I reckon as I get moderated way more than most it would really be a case of putting the lunatic in charge of the asylum.

I'm really a good boy, I just have bad tendancies.

At first, after the major upscaling of mods, things were a bit hairy, seemed a few of the new ones had to be seen to be moderating by and Neil, otherwise they weren't doing the job they were askes, this meant they may have gone over the top a bit. Since then things have settled down and all is well. I guess that means the choices Neil made were the right ones, we all have to learn a new job.











Oh God, a serious post, I'm gonna have to snap out of this.

[ozwinner]

Oh God, a serious post, I'm gonna have to snap out of this.

Would you like me to moderate it for you?

Al :q

[Pat]

I voted no. Compared to other forums, woodworking or otherwise, this forum is fair. We can hijack a thread, throw personal comments, make a joke, post interesting things on Epay, debate most subjects and occasionally impart knowledge on a woodworking matter. Try that at other places.

As long as you respect the rules posted, you can discuss to your hearts content.

Time to play in the shed:U

[Groggy]

Speaking for myself only, if someone thinks I am being unfair I am willing to consider what they have to say (in a PM). That has happened a few times already. Understand though that sometimes we are not at liberty to discuss why we edit as it would require us to provide private information about someone else.

A fictional example:

Member (A) sends a nasty and threatening PM to another member (B) then makes subtle reference to it in public posts, which to others seem innocuous enough but are done to needle (B). This results in (B) replying harshly in a public post. This goes on for a bit and eventually another PM goes from A to B and the mods are brought into it.

Mods consider the whole situation and ban (A) - but only after a full three or more warnings plus infractions are given (none of which are advertised to the forum in general).

Suddenly there is uproar and the mods are playing favourites, obviously the ban of (A) has been immediate and the result of a single post and this is unfair because the posts of (B) are there for all to see. Trouble is, if you want to play the part of jury, you need to have all the facts to do it.

Mods do the best we can with the information available. Are we perfect? No, of course not, mistakes are made. In the same way any of you would make mistakes if you took on the role yourself.

So, back to the first paragraph, if you think something is unfair then say so privately to the mod concerned, we can only guarantee we will not fix things we don't know about.

As for bias, I guess so, everyone is biased to some degree, but intentionally editing someone else's point of view or perspective is not done (that I know of) unless what has been written is against the rules. If it were to happen, I can pretty much guarantee a brawl between the mods and admins in the back rooms.

[outback]

Thanks Al, that would be great. :o

Hay GAndhi, this raises the question, how P is a PM?

[RETIRED]

Thanks Al, that would be great. :o

Hay GAndhi, this raises the question, how P is a PM?
Very.The Admins cannot access PM's between members.

[Groggy]

Thanks Al, that would be great. :o

Hay GAndhi, this raises the question, how P is a PM?That IS a good question. As said, no admins or mods can read them. They can be forwarded and reposted though.

Simply by sending it by that method you are requesting privacy, however, on occasion people have then posted them in open forums. Abusive PMs have also been forwarded to mods and admins as they breach the rules of the forum.

So, how private is private? Well, if you can trust the receiver then very private. If it is abuse then it is likely the moderators will see it.

[outback]

Thanks for the heads up on the P'ness of a PM, just an idle curiosity brought up when Groggy was explaining.


Good to know I can bag the hell outa ya's without fear of retribution. :q

[Clinton1]

Good to know I can bag the hell outa ya's without fear of retribution


Send your nasty PM's to me...... I'll post them in a thread for ya! :D

[RETIRED]

Doig a bit of maintenance folks. It will be back up shortly.

[RETIRED]

Jake, your post has been moved here with the replies. http://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=47282

It was getting way off topic.

[JDarvall]

jeez Sorry .....just erase it all if its easier. I was just having a winge.

[RETIRED]

No problems with moving it Jake. It is an interesting point.

[Cliff Rogers]

No problems with moving it Jake. It is an interesting point.
But, but, but....... why is it now closed? :?

[Wood Butcher]

Appears it was automatically closed when the post were moved to the new thread. It's not closed any more ;)

[Cliff Rogers]

Appears it was automatically closed when the post were moved to the new thread. It's not closed any more ;)
Ta. :2tsup:

[Daddles]

:stirthepot: If I put something that looks like code here.

http://www.ubeaut.biz/oldman.gif It gets right up the old fella's noses
:D when they can't work it out.


Cliff, if I explained to you exactly when we worked that out, you'd sort of :hbomb:

Richard :cool:

[Cliff Rogers]

Cliff, if I explained to you exactly when we worked that out, ....
Yeah, I know, I got a PM to say that code was no longer allowed. :D

[Frank&Earnest]

My apologies for resurrecting this thread, but I just stumbled on it and it seems the best place to sort out a niggling suspicion of mine.
Two of my posts were deleted some time ago. Did not think too much about the first, there was some server problem at the time. When the second occurred, the coincidence seemed too much and I asked for a clarification. He confirmed that the deletion was deliberate, but no explanation followed.

Don't think that "left" or "right" bias is an issue. My posts were so tame and meant as humorous (maybe my sense of humour is terrible, ok :D ) that to give them a "right" or "left" label would have been really pushing it.
And as regards breaching forum rules or any law, believe me: in a quarter of a century working as a State Government auditor, it has been hammered into me that anything I say or do must stand up in any court of law.

If anything, the issue is about policies that have come to be associated with one or the other side of politics. The disturbing thought is: were my posts deleted because they contained the words "Guantanamo bay" and "US Army Colonel"? In other words, is this an example of our Government being excessively zealous in searching for the remotest sign of subversion?
We know that ASIO checks chat rooms... are Neil and held to ransom by them?

Even if they were, they would be sworn to secrecy in the name of "the public interest" anyway, so their response is not the point here.

But it will be very interesting to see where this thread takes us, won't it?:)
I assume ASIO (or Neil and ) will leave this post alone to see how many of you will be coaxed into admitting that you are undercover terrorists (or to prove their absence of bias and constraints)...:p

[Gumby]

But it will be very interesting to see where this thread takes us, won't it?:)


Oh please, give us a break ! :(( There's another post in need of deletion. Just get back to woodwork will you.

We've had more than enough of this bulltish.:((

,/ Al/ Neil hit the delete button please.:cool:

[Wood Butcher]

This is straight from the Forum Rules that have been in place for a very long time.

The owner, administrators and moderators of this BB reserve the right to delete any message or members for any or no reason whatsoever.There would have been a reason and especially if was the one that deleted it.

Rowan Cahill - Wood Butcher
Senior Moderator
Woodworking Australia's
WOODWORK FORUMS

[Gra]

Oh please, give us a break ! :(( There's another post in need of deletion. Just get back to woodwork will you.

We've had more than enough of this twash.:((

,/ Al/ Neil hit the delete button please.:cool:

I gotta agree with the green fellow here.. and that doesnt happen often. We have done this to death, this place has one of the easiest going bunch of moderators anywhere this side of an anarcist website (and sometimes I think this is an anarchist website:U)

Leave them alone, I have had threads and post deleted, and they deserved it, every one of them... some the mods contacted me others just dissapeared, but either way they were not appropriate and what the mods say goes (its their sandpit not ours)

Mods close the thread.. Please

[DavidG]

Shall I order in more pizza and another slab????:roll:

[Gra]

Shall I order in more pizza and another slab????:roll:


Yeah why the hell not. i will go find the beanbags

[Wood Butcher]

Shall I order in more pizza and another slab????:roll:

So long as it's not vegetarian pizza and the beer's a heavy!

[Cliff Rogers]

I reckon I'll start a poll on it...

Who reckons they have had the most posts deleted?

Who gives a rat's?

PS. I reckon Felder lost the most posts when all the friday threads were deleted but nobody can beat Stoppers. :D

[Gra]

So long as it's not vegetarian pizza and the beer's a heavy!

I think I have some scotch here, maybe that will be better:2tsup:

[Frank&Earnest]

The more the enemies, the more the glory!:D

Seriously, guys, I expected better contributions... hit the ball, not the man!

And, Rowan, is your point that:

a) the moderator does not need a reason
or
b) there must have been a reason
:?
Make up your mind, happy to debate either point...:)

BTW, I hope it is clear that I agree with the need for monitoring and am happy with the forum... notwithstanding the small percentage of unhelpful members that can not be avoided!

[journeyman Mick]

.................
a) the moderator does not need a reason
or
b) there must have been a reason
............

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Mick