Administrator?

[Eddie Jones]

It would appear that the decisions made by the administrator of this forum are beyond question and never require any explanation. The members are total numb-nuts, who WILL accept any decision that administrator makes and are NEVER entitled to an explanation of that decision. Sorry mate, but that description is much closer to a dictator than an administrator.

Some little snippets:

"Good reasons? Well what are they?
Those who need to know already know and I am not going to justify myself to you. If you don't like it then as I said before you don't have to look at it. If you feel so strongly about it all then you can always take the other way out and leave. It's attitudes like yours that make this country so great - NOT!"

No need for justification to ANYONE? I'm thinking it is not I who has the attitude problem.

"Giving my reasons to you or anyone else in this thread would only come across as an excuse and I'm not going to make excuses for doing the right thing.... No matter what you or anyone else might think."

"No matter what you or anyone else might think". REALLY?

Now I know you will probably intercept this and not allow it to go to air. I can't stop you doing that. But if the admins of this forum ALL feel the same way as you, then you certainly won't miss me. Publish this and allow the NEEDED debate, if you have the spine, or cancel my membership.

I really don't care which. But I'll bet I know!

[Termite]

The bloke that owns the show sets the rules and that is his right. I don't have a problem with that.
Membership of this forum is a privelege, not a right.:Q

[DavidG]

There are a number of different Administrators on this board and each has a different personality and behaves differently.

Are you pointing at someone in particular or is this just a general flame.

:peepwall:

[Wood Butcher]

Eddie,

There is no need for debate, Grow Up! If want the right to whinge and bitch at how the admins and mods run this place you pay the thousands of dollars a year it cost to maintain this site.

[Wood Butcher]

There are a number of different Administrators on this board and each has a different personality and behaves differently.

Are you pointing at someone in particular or is this just a general flame.

:peepwall:

This is pointed directly at a comment that Neil (ubeaut) made in a thread yesterday about the new women's forums.

[Ian Smith]

Eddie, you're a waste of good bandwidth - save the Admins, who incidently are your hosts, and you are their guest - the bother and just P%$S OFF!!

Ian

[craigb]

You are mistaking this place for a democracy. It isn't. It is a benevolent dictatorship.

This is Neil's board, he lets us play here.

His cubby house his rules.

[silentC]

I dunno. I'm far from getting all bent out of shape over it, but I think the most important point that has been made in this debate is that if the girls start posting everything in 'their' forum, then it's going to detract from the 'non-gender' forums. How many male members (sorry!) are going to visit the women's forum? It's like the old "sum of the parts is greater than the whole" and if you're going to break it down into it's parts like that, the whole will suffer.

I guess it doesn't affect me, even though I'm a bit mystified as to why it's needed. To me pubs are much more interesting places since the Ladies' Lounges were converted into pool rooms or bistros.

Anyway, I gather from some of the comments made that there's some higher purpose being served, so we'll have to wait and see what it is.

[DavidG]

This is pointed directly at a comment that Neil (ubeaut) made in a thread yesterday about the new women's forums.

In that case.


The BOSS hath spoken.
So it shalt be.




Well it is his play pen.:U

[Honorary Bloke]

:wtf1:

[Black Ned]

The reason that most members would join a forum, is to impart or gain knowledge on subjects that interest them. When you join, you are adding to the data base and picking up snippets of information that is beneficial to you now, or may be of help in the future. I read every post and get much more information from off the cuff remarks in all facets of this forum.
The people who get so carried away that they "cut their nose off to spight their face" are really the losers.
Use the forum for what it was set up to do ........ share knowledge .... and let things be.

[journeyman Mick]

Eddie,
it's Neils sandpit and pretty much everyone here enjoys playing in it. Why do you come here if, as you say, we're all a bunch of numb nuts and the administrator is a dictator?

Go here (http://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=24201&page=3&highlight=club) and read my post, you may find it helpful (or maybe you won't).

Mick

[Howdya do that]

Eddie,

Come on over to the Friday thread. we've been lookin for someone to kick the crap out of and your just the man.:((

Neil's shed, The mods help him keep it tidy, Mods a few laps of the cyclone might loosen the ???? from his liver :2tsup:

[echnidna]

Most forums have rules and standards.

Those that don't get overun by spammers and nut case and eventually shrivel up & die.

So the short answer is Neil makes the rules.
if you don't like it
Find another forum

[Stuart]

:censored2:

[ss_11000]

:puke:geez eddie. lay off neil and the mods. go make your own forum and find out how easy it is to please every one.:((

[Justin]

This forum happens to be private property, and we're all guests here. If you don't like it, see that little x in the top right hand corner of your screen ? That's the door.

[Toolin Around]

:wtf1:


Couldn't have said it better LOL. Can I let you in on a little secret Eddie. You only make yourself look like a fool when you have a dummy spit like this. Have another drink or three and calm down.

[Gumby]

I am sick to death of these types of threads.

It's a wonder Neil doesn't just chuck the whole lot in sometimes. :((

I remember the days when rep points meant something. Then the whingers started. We should have this; it's not fair because of that; why can't I do what he does :((
The result was that the rep points system was watered down to the point where it's irrelevant and hardly used any more. And the bloke who caused all the fuss resigned from the forums ! :((

There ya go. I've vented for the day.:cool:

[maglite]

Eddie, if talking $h*t could make a bloke money..........you would be a far-kin millionaire.

[dazzler]

I have no idea what got eddie going and really dont care.

However there is a grain of truth to his rantings.

As in life everything is done for a reason. Ubeaut run the forum for a reason. I have no idea what that reason is but am thankful all the same. The name öf the site is "Woodwork Forums", not Neils Woodwork site or something similar and this is where the difficulty lies.

It is a public forum, with lots of personalities in the mix. There are cool dudes, jokers, serious sams, jerks, whingers, spoiled baby boomers, middle aged smarties, women and young people just to name a few. All with different personalities and behaviours..

Compared to other sites this one is heavily moderated. I dont think you can blame the moderators cause compared to other sites there are far more whiners on this site.

Cant blame the whiners as much because some moderators come across like a dictator.

Damn, lost my train of thought - anyways what im trying to say is this;

Whiners would you stop trying to change the world to suit you.

Mods stop taking things personally and getting upset.

nitey nite

dazzler :doh:

[Honorary Bloke]

Compared to other sites this one is heavily moderated.

With all due respect, Dazzler, I can't agree with you. My experience is that the Mods here are quite tolerant (after all, they let ME in :D ). For example, the fact that Eddie's dummy spit even saw the light of day speaks volumes about the forbearance of the Mods IMO. It is intended to be a family-orientated forum for the most part, and there is the Orange Room for otherwise.

I believe Neil, and the Mods strike a good balance--allowing wide leeway for honest (and reasonably civil) disagreement and even some all-in wrestling up to a point. Not to mention the Friday drivel. I, for one, have no problems with the rules.

(Well, that's enough sucking up for one post. :rolleyes: )

[Rossluck]

It is a public forum, with lots of personalities in the mix. There are cool dudes, jokers, serious sams, jerks, whingers, spoiled baby boomers, middle aged smarties, women and young people just to name a few. All with different personalities and behaviours..

Compared to other sites this one is heavily moderated. I dont think you can blame the moderators cause compared to other sites there are far more whiners on this site.

Dazzler

:doh:

In the main I go along with this, although I don't notice whiners. I think the important point is that once this forum is "put out there" it does become a public forum, and the public feedback should have some influence on how it's run.

When obviously decent people like Eddie criticise the forum it should provide the grounds for debate on the issue, not for a personal attack by members trying to relieve boredom by invigorating a controversy.

For mine, the forum is run beautifully, and I've always felt that Neil's (and the Mods) intervention has been strong but reasonable, along the lines of: "we're not having a huge number of rules, but what we do have will be enforced rigorously".

This keeps the nutters out, and allows the forum to be accessible for a large range of people of different age groups, gender, ethnic background and so on.

[Shedhand]

Hey Eddie! Wanna see some (http://www.woodworkforums.com/showthread.php?t=45251). This site has everything. Chill brother! :p

[fred.n]

It would appear that the decisions made by the administrator of this forum are beyond question and never require any explanation. The members are total numb-nuts, who WILL accept any decision that administrator makes and are NEVER entitled to an explanation of that decision. Sorry mate, but that description is much closer to a dictator than an administrator.

Eddie, I've been watching this for a couple of days now, and think the crux of the problem has been missed.
If you (or I for that matter) have a problem with certan people here, PM them. No need to rant and rave out in the open, as it only stirs the place up,....... unless that was your intention!
Then you can rant and rave as much as you like, cause it seems it's only you with the problem.
Suck it up
Get over it, and
Move on

[dazzler]

Hey

Thanks Rossluck you said what I was trying to say more clearer. Not Whiners perhaps but complainers.

I imagine also the view is influenced by the other sites that one visits. My exp is this is less tolerant of dissent and free speach.

I never have trouble at "Satans Servants" or ""Overthrow the World" website forums.:brava

I always get a chuckle from the;

I (insert name) will no longer be a part of this bulletin board. I will no longer respond to personal attacks blah blah blah, cry cry cry, :pointlaugh:


Cheers

dazzler

:U

[Toolin Around]

However there is a grain of truth to his rantings.

Compared to other sites this one is heavily moderated. I dont think you can blame the moderators cause compared to other sites there are far more whiners on this site.

Cant blame the whiners as much because some moderators come across like a dictator.
dazzler :doh:

"however there is a grain" Not much of a grain of truth but sure is a wheel borrow full of bull crap.

"Compared to other sites..." LOL what! you can't be serious! The only sites less moderated than this place are anarchist forums run by angry pimply faced 15 year olds and Usenet news.

"cant blame the whiners..." Get serious - dictators! Slight over exaggeration don't you think LOL

[Honorary Bloke]

I never have trouble at "Satans Servants" or ""Overthrow the World" website forums.

Now you mention it, nor do I. But I have found the Mods on the "Hell's Angels" forum to be a bit heavy-handed. :D :rolleyes:

[Toolin Around]

When obviously decent people like Eddie criticise the forum it should provide the grounds for debate on the issue, not for a personal attack by members trying to relieve boredom by invigorating a controversy.

That wasn't a critism it was a dummy spit.

I've not been in aus all that long but since being here I've come to realize that "relieving boredom by inviorating a controvery" is a national past time. :D :wink:

[dazzler]

Thats it,

I will no longer respond to personal attacks.

bye

dazzler

[dazzler]

:woot:

:D

[ubeaut]

I have to learn to type faster or stay at the computer long enough to finish a post rather than wandering off and working in between typing sessions or something like that. This post was in reply to #21. Probably way too late for it now but I'm sure as hell not going to wast all this good typing time by deleting it now.

The name of the site is "Woodwork Forums", not Neils Woodwork site or something similar It is actually Woodworking Australia's Woodwork Forums, it says so at the top of each page and always has. and this is where the difficulty lies. There is no difficulty. Woodworking Australia is the U-Beaut web site. Owned by guess who.......
It is a public forum. No it is actually a private forum which is open to the public. They are public in the respect that most of the forums can be seen by the public and if the public wishes they can also contribute by becoming a member for free. Hell they can even win free stuff FOR FREE!

Compared to other sites this one is heavily moderated. Don't know which sites you're visiting but they must be in anarchy because this site is extremely under moderated compared to most other woodworking sites I've visited. See The Hornery one's post above, that pretty much sums these forums up.

Ubeaut run the forum for a reason. I have no idea what that reason is but am thankful all the same. My reason for starting these forums was purely selfish. It was to give something back to the woodworking community that over the years has been so good to me.

Mods stop taking things personally and getting upset. OK all mods will be instructed to stand still while some :wank: kicks them in the but:buttkick:. NOT! If idiots don't make it personal then it won't be taken personally.

As has been said many times before These Forums are not now and never will be a democracy. I refuse to justify my actions to Eddie or anyone else who demands their rights. WHAT RIGHTS? This is a benevolent dictatorship. Always have been and always will be. Thats one of the reasons why things get done.

Can any of you actually imagine these forums being run as a democracy. There would be dozens of committees each with sub committees and working groups trying to figure out what time the Friday thread would start. As for putting on a new forum, well we'd probably still have the original 4 but each one would have a mens, womens, gay, aboriginal, Muslim, Christian, nondenominational and unemployed section. The other PC ones would still be in the working group stage and 3 more years in the making. HELL NO!

For anyone who doesn't know. Eddies beef (remember Eddie he's the one who started this thread) was with us putting the Womens' Forum on.

[Wongo]

What the hell? Really what the hell?

Running this forum is like managing a group of morons (except me of course). Oh forget it, I just can’t be bothered.

I will make it short and sweet. If you don’t like it then drop it. Go and run your own little democratic forum and let us know how it goes.

[Wongo]

Now tell me have you agreed on what colour to put on the background yet?

Get it?

[johnc]

Mr (Mrs/Miss) Moderator, how about we close this thread and then we can all go back to the usual information, banter, rot and hijacks that give this forum its entertainment factor. Sometimes we can all get just a tad over sensitive (can't we Eddie).

John

[Ashore]

You amase me Neil , why you even bother to try to explain it to him , if he couldn't understand your post in the the other thread then I think he only sees what he wants to see and will have the same persecution complex clouding his vision when he reads your latest post. :wacko:

Rgds

[Honorary Bloke]

:2tsup:

[Sturdee]

Compared to other sites this one is heavily moderated. Don't know which sites you're visiting but they must be in anarchy because this site is extremely under moderated compared to most other woodworking sites I've visited. See The Hornery one's post above, that pretty much sums these forums up.



Personally I would prefer it if they were more heavily moderated by keeping the drivel and crap out of the woodworking threads and keep such drivel for a daily drivel thread.


Peter.

[Lignum]

Personally I would prefer it if they were more heavily moderated by keeping the drivel and crap out of the woodworking threads and keep such drivel for a daily drivel thread.


Peter.

Thats a tricky one because I reckon the Forums worst and most boring day of the week for all things wood related is Friday. All that energy goes on dribble and not keeping the wood based threads flowing.

[Stuart]

Watching iSpy is very boring on Fridays :(

[Gumby]

and keep such drivel for a daily drivel thread.


Peter.

like this one ? :)

[Krazee]

Seems to me Eddie has done a 'hit and run' just to see if he can stir us up!

IMO it's Neil's ball, Neil's bat, Neil's pitch and Neil's the umpire. Them's the rules, and you get to choose if you want to play.

Let's get back to spending time on real woodworking.

Geoff