Where is my FWW magazine?

[Wongo]

Has anyone got it yet? I saw it in the store. Well usually get it earlier.

[Groggy]

Me too, not happy Jan :(

[craigb]

Me three (but Scott knows that already).

A replacement is "on the way" apparently :rolleyes:.

It has been "on the way" for over two weeks now. I think they are sending it by carrier pigeon. :(

[bitingmidge]

Me four! :(

and I can't access the website either!

P

[AlexS]

Haven't seen mine yet.

[craigb]

Me four! :(

and I can't access the website either!

P

I can access the website at least (actually I've already read the mag online anyway. However that is not the point).

When I sent them an email about a month ago now, they did say that they had had "issues" :rolleyes: with the mail outs to Oz this time.

If you haven't already, get onot Taunton customer service.

[Wongo]

Send them 2 emails in 3 weeks, no reply.

[javali]

Haven't got it yet, however it seems that when they want money they know how to find me - I got two renewal reminders already, and it's three monthes until my subscription expires.

[Harry72]

Me 7, havent seen a Woodworking at Home for a while either?

[Slavo]

Me 8, waiting, waiting, waiting

[Auld Bassoon]

No sign of it as yet :(

[silentC]

Ditto. Haven't received the last two but they took the money out of my credit card already.

Very disappointing, thought they were better than this. :mad:

[craigb]

FWIW, this is the reply I received on the 20/09 from Taunton to my email.



Dear Mr. B:

Thank you for your inquiry. After researching your account, I can
confirm that you should have received that issue by now. We have
received reports regarding a delivery issue in Australia and we have
reported that to the proper department to avoid future delays. I
apologize for the inconvenience.

I have ordered a replacement for you. Please let us know if you
continue to experience delivery delays. Thank you for your interest in
Taunton Press publications.

Sincerely,

Kristi
Customer Service

[silentC]

I just sent this:


I wrote a couple of days ago to let you know I haven't received the last two issues of FWW. Since then I have spoken to 8 other subscribers here in Australia and none of them have received the current issue either. The issue is available in newsagents here so what's the problem? I notice that your accounts department has had no similar problem charging my subscription renewal to my credit card. Could you please sort this problem out? It is very disappointing after what I have found in the past to be excellent service.

[namtrak]

Ditto - not here yet either

[Bob38S]

None for me either :(:(

Last year I also did not get the Shop & Tools book until the second time around - replacement took almost 5 weeks :(:(:(

[chrisp]

I haven't got mine either :(

A while back I ordered some back issues and when they didn't turn up in a couple of weeks (their delivery is usually very fast) I emailed Taunton. Taunton said I had to wait 12 weeks before I could claim replacements. I waited 12 weeks (Outlook Calendar is your friend) and sent another email and had replacement copies a couple of days later - then the next day the originals arrived!

I emailed Taunton to ask if they wanted me to return the replacements. Taunton suggested I pass them on to a friend. (Talk about difficult, I had to make friends with someone to pass them on :eek: )

[W.Lill]

You can add my name to the growing list.

[dazzler]

WoW

I just had seventeen copies arrive!


Well done FWW

:D

[Ramps]

Am I number 18?
I saw it in the shop just a few days ago and did wonder myself what's gone wrong.

..................hmmmmmm................ :confused:

[Groggy]

Y'know, after reading how many have gone a'missin, I kinda expect a ransom demand any minute . . .

[KevM]

My Response below from FWW.

"This e-mail is to confirm that we have experienced shipping problems to Australia. We are told that Fine Woodworking Issue #186 has been arriving late to most Australia subscribers. If at all possible, you may want to purchase this issue at the newsstand and we can extend your subscription an issue to recover that. Our shipping provider has changed and has assured us that the regular receiving schedule will resume starting with Fine Woodworking #187. Please let me know what you would like to do in the meantime, as far as purchasing #186 and I will be happy to extend your subscription."

Not happy.

Kev M

[bitingmidge]

Not happy.

Why not?

I have received the same answer. The things have gone astray in the mail somehow, they'll replace them. What am I missing?

I've asked for a new copy to be sent, (in the event that this one doesn't turn up) and I have pointed out that I don't have access to purchase one, and even if I did the cost would be about the same as 6 months subscription.

I suspect they are all somewhere in a container waiting to arrive.

I can't see that Tauntons show any particular malice in their response? There's been a glitch, they've fixed it and offered to replace the missing magazine.

In six or seven years, I've had one go astray previously and it was replaced. I'm not so desperate that I can't wait a fortnight for the latest sharpening techniques!

Cheers,

P

[Wongo]

The midge has spoken again and I agree. We should not be too harsh on them. They are half a world away and 12 hours behind us. It is really beyond their control.

[KevM]

I won't be chasing the newsagent to buy one locally, I'm asking for them to send it to me.

I've had a good run in the past, generally if one fails to arrive, I send an e-mail and a replacement arrives in around 1 week.

Kev M

[AlexS]

They are half a world away and 12 hours behind us. It is really beyond their control.

Or is that 12 hours away and half a world behind us?:rolleyes:

[Groggy]

I am waiting for mine to arrive, no point wasting another one from the newsagent. To fill the void I ordered some back issues :D

[lesmeyer]

I have insisted that they send me a replacement copy. I also recieved same reply that you guys received. In fact, I am pi$$ed off by this whole matter. I have had enough red wine to give them a phone call and $h1t all over them. Promeblem is that by the time they are open in the US, the red wine would have worn off.:D I also have access to the online version, but that is not the point, as ponted out earlier. :rolleyes: To add salt to my wound, the Popular WW mag arrived today ahead of time this month. (I think anyway - I lose track of which mag should arrive when), but I do know when FWW should arrive (the last week of every even month).
An unhappy Les.

[ian]

My Response below from FWW.
"This e-mail is to confirm that we have experienced shipping problems to Australia. We are told that Fine Woodworking Issue #186 has been arriving late to most Australia subscribers. If at all possible, you may want to purchase this issue at the newsstand and we can extend your subscription an issue to recover that. Our shipping provider has changed and has assured us that the regular receiving schedule will resume starting with Fine Woodworking #187. Please let me know what you would like to do in the meantime, as far as purchasing #186 and I will be happy to extend your subscription."
Not happy.

Kev MSomeone should tell Taunton's new "shipping provider" that Australia is not a German speaking country located east of Switzerland.

I put it down to dumb Yanks and their abismal knowledge of geography

For the past 30+ years I've subscribed to Scientific American
Sometimes it arrives in Australia as bulk air freight and is posted by TNT at Sydney Airport
Sometimes the magazine is post marked in The Netherlands or Deutschland
Other times it arrives months late from who knows where
But I've never not received a copy


The worst I've had from Taunton is a letter asking if I'd moved because FWW had been returned to the publisher which makes me think It might have got all the way to Austria!!


ian

[derekcohen]

Ditto FWW for me. PW arrived yesterday.

Regards from Perth

Derek

[Buzzer]

Me too.

Just emailed them, awaiting there response.

[KevM]

Why not?

I have received the same answer. The things have gone astray in the mail somehow, they'll replace them. What am I missing?

I've asked for a new copy to be sent, (in the event that this one doesn't turn up) and I have pointed out that I don't have access to purchase one, and even if I did the cost would be about the same as 6 months subscription.

I suspect they are all somewhere in a container waiting to arrive.

I can't see that Tauntons show any particular malice in their response? There's been a glitch, they've fixed it and offered to replace the missing magazine.

In six or seven years, I've had one go astray previously and it was replaced. I'm not so desperate that I can't wait a fortnight for the latest sharpening techniques!

Cheers,

P
Midge,
Have you received an e-mail to indicate that you will be sent another copy? I have been exchanging e-mails for the past week but to date have not been successful in getting a replacement sent.

Below is the text of an e-mail I sent yesterday morning (no response received yet):-
Hi Customer Service,
We seem to be going around in circles on your response(see first & last below), somewhere in between Kristi's first response and Elizabeth's last response was an offer from Elizabeth to replace my undelivered copy of # 186.

I then responded to this offer with a yes please do, but then received a cut & paste of the original e-mail from Kristi, but signed off by Elizabeth.

Can you please send a replacement #186 to replace my undelivered copy?


Kev M

[Wild Dingo]

Not being a subscriber I cant really comment on FWW... but with regards magazines coming from the USA I have subscribed to Woodenboat among others for several years now... not picking on Woodenboat per se they just seem to be the best at this caper and why I no longer subscribe

It was not unusual for it to turn up late by several weeks

It was also not unusual for it to have traveled around the world to get here

And it was also not unusual for me to get several of the same issue that have been sent to someone else in NZ Queensland or Argentina!! and here I mean really does a Swedish name in a Swedish city with a large word on the cover saying SWEDEN sound like Australia? :rolleyes:

best "score" was a year back when I got 7 issues of the same issue and only 1 was mine... I onsent them to their rightful owners overseas... but thats really not the point is it!

oh and I didnt get offered a extra phart for doing so either let alone a month on my subscription... as good as it is and as much as I enjoy it Ive cancelled my subscription... Now I have a read at the newsagent if theres something particular I want to take closer scrutiny of I will buy it if not then I put it back on the shelf... easy as... and no more dramas! :cool:

Maybe thats your choice if your sick of the wait and dramas trying to sort it? Simply cancel the subscription and take a long peak at the newsagent buy it or not your choice... easy eh! ;)

[KevM]

I have now had some success, received an e-mail overnight advising that a replacement copy but to allow 10-12 weeks for delivery.

Kev M

[bitingmidge]

Midge,
Have you received an e-mail to indicate that you will be sent another copy?
Yep!

As has been the case with all my dealings with Taunton, I received a response within twenty four hours.

Regarding the lack of Geography, for ten years I was a franchisee of a well known Seppo Chain. Just one of the great annoyances was their insistance on sending us their weekly "domestic" newsletter. These would be sent from anywhere in the world, they would obviously air freight pallets of pre-addressed magazines to Bellarus or Chile or wherever air mail was cheap that week, and have some bloke stand at the closest post box (or whatever).

I gather that there are contractors who do exactly that:- contract distribution services and charge a margin for it. Again, I have to say that one or two magazines going missing in almost a decade is hardly something to get all twisted about!

On the other hand Dingo, I subscribe Woodenboat through BoatBooks and while they are regularly late, they are at least regular. I suspect that's because BB gets them then posts them out themselves.

It is a little more expensive than direct subscription though, but in my own way I'm happy for a company providing services in Australia to make a few dollars.

Cheers,

P

[AlexS]

Must say I've usually had good service from Taunton. 1 or 2 copies went astray and replacements were airmailed. Hope I don't have to wait for these to come by surface mail.:D

[Driver]

My experience with Taunton is like Alex's. A bit better, actually. This is the first time since I started subscribing to FWW three years ago that it has been late in arriving.

They have responded promptly to my emails and have offered to extend my subscription by one issue.

So I'm not complaining!

[aabb]

Mine hasnt arrived either

[derekcohen]

I received this email today (probably the same as others):

Dear Mr. Cohen:

This e-mail is to confirm that we have experienced shipping problems to
Australia. We are told that Fine Woodworking Issue #186 has been
arriving late to most Australia subscribers. If at all possible, you may
want to purchase this issue at the newsstand and we can extend your
subscription an issue to recover that. Our shipping provider has changed
and has assured us that the regular receiving schedule will resume
starting with Fine Woodworking #187. Please let me know what you would
like to do in the meantime, as far as purchasing #186 and I will be
happy to extend your subscription.

Thank you so much for your patience and interest in Fine Woodworking and
Taunton Press publications. We look forward to hearing from you and
filling your subscription needs in the future.

Sincerely,

Kristi
Customer Service

I went out and bought a copy of the latest mag at the local newsagent and instructed FWW to add a month to my account. By the time the October mag is delivered I would have received the December one!

Regards from Perth

Derek

[coedcae]

Sorry guys but I got mine about a month ago.:D :D :D
I have had to Email them about not getting I think 1 or 2 and although they said about 6 weeks but I think for memory it was about 6 to 10 days.

Peter

PS Has any one joined up to their web based info at $14 95USD and if so, how good is it?
Do you think it is worth it?

[craigb]

PS Has any one joined up to their web based info at $14 95USD and if so, how good is it?
Do you think it is worth it?

Yes. I have. It's good because you get access to the FWW archive. Also, you can read the mag online. Which is a good thing when your print copy goes missing. :rolleyes:

[Groggy]

PS Has any one joined up to their web based info at $14 95USD and if so, how good is it? Do you think it is worth it?I joined and am barely getting the value (but it is worth the $14). It would be better value with more videos.

[silentC]

I went out and bought a copy of the latest mag at the local newsagent
Half your luck. We have three newsagents and none of them stock ANY woodworking magazines. I'll have to wait for mine to arrive.

[Buzzer]

I received the generic response from tauntan offering an extra on subsription for the missing one.......trouble is I have only one newsagent in town with not one WW mag. in stock. Can only get WW mags on subsciption, will have too keep waiting.......

[Wongo]

How did you contact them?

I have no reply for the 2 messages I sent them. I did one through their online email and the other one on customerservice@taunton.com.

[KevM]

How did you contact them?

I have no reply for the 2 messages I sent them. I did one through their online email and the other one on customerservice@taunton.com.

Patience grasshopper................ patience.

Replies take 1 - 2 full days after sending and if you cop the weekend in the middle, longer. Mine seem to be sent around 5am our time.

You were using the correct address, they respond to both.

cheers

Kev M

[bitingmidge]

Replies take 1 - 2 full days after sending and if you cop the weekend in the middle, longer. Mine seem to be sent around 5am our time.

But you always get an auto response telling you the email's been received!

I think they've got you marked Wongo.;)

P

[Wongo]

Patience grasshopper................ patience.

Replies take 1 - 2 full days after sending and if you cop the weekend in the middle, longer. Mine seem to be sent around 5am our time.

You were using the correct address, they respond to both.

cheers

Kev M


But Master, that was 3 weeks ago.:eek:

Oh I did receive an reply pretty much right away.

"Thank you for contacting us. Your inquiry will receive individual attention and you can expect a complete reply within 48 hours.

Sincerely,
Customer Service"

[Samson13]

I didn't realise that I hadn't received my copy of the issue until I saw it in the newsagent yesterday. Have emailed Taunton and am awaiting a reply (probably the same reply as everyone else). I wouldn't be too thrilled about the standard offer to extend the subscription by a month. I know it's not much but newsagent prices are about double the subscription cost. That's why I subscribed in the first place. Anyway, if it's a just a once-off situation, I'll probably accept because of the hassle of arguing with them or waiting the 10-12 weeks extra.

By the way, their email interface doesn't appear to have been too well thought out. It has as mandatory fields the zip code and the US province to be entered. It didn't appear to want to accept my Aussie postcode so I inserted Taunton's Connecticut zip code. Nor did it accept their own selection of "Australia - New South Wales" for the province, but accepted "other". I had to tell them the correct details in the body of the message. What a balls-up.

Cheers

[silentC]

Hmm, well it is a bit US-centric as you would expect but I didn't have any trouble entering my address using the fields on the form. Don't select anything in State (ignore the red aster), select Australia - New South Wales and enter your postcode. Worked for me the 3 or 4 times I've used it.

[mat]

I hate to say this but the following edition (Nov-Dec) is now available on-line.

[Ross]

...................still waiting!

[Samson13]

Silent

I did try the "Australia - NSW" choice but it still rejected it and came up with the little pop-up that the field was mandatory. Never mind. Despite all of this, I am thinking about subscribing to the on-line service anyway. Feedback seems to be OK on this and $15US isn't going to break the bank.

Cheers

[craigb]

I hate to say this but the following edition (Nov-Dec) is now available on-line.

Yes you are right, it is.

I wonder how long or if this one will turn up. :rolleyes:

I'll have to try and stop myself reading it online as I do prefer to read the printed version.

[Auld Bassoon]

Like many here, I have also missed my #186 issue, so fired off an email to Taunton. I received the now customary "but one locally and we'll extend your sub by an issue" response.

I did take that offer up, but do wonder why there wasn't some type of logistics trial before the new supplier was appointed...

[Wongo]

Great you all received an emial. I wrote to them 3 times and no email back.

[lesmeyer]

From what I can gather, nobody in OZ received the FWW #186. Why do they not just redo the whole OZ shipment instead of handling each one separately ???.:confused: They resent mine on 12 Sept and still no mag.
Les

[Samson13]

Maybe we should direct their notice to this thread. If I knew how to, I would do it.

It's unfortunate and probably not their fault, but as a goodwill gesture it would be a very worthwhile PR exercise. If I were Tauntons, I would have to be very wary about the harm this could do to their marketing in Australia, that is, if we are significant enough to them I suppose.

[Buzzer]

Received this reply, this morning from Taunton;

Thank you for your reply. This e-mail is to confirm that we have
received your reply and will follow your instructions to extend your
subscription by one issue. Please let us know if you have any further
questions. Thank you again for your interest in Taunton Press
publications.

Sincerely,
ELIZABETH
Customer Service.



I am happy with the outcome
Cheers:)

[coedcae]

Hey come on guys if you were to post a letter/mag/parcel to someone nextdoor nexttown nextcountry and it does not arrive on time is it YOU'RE fault that it does not get delivered. I have had 1 or 2 not come on time I Email them OK I Email twice before I get a reply but we get it sorted and I get my Mag.

I'm Happy :) :) :)

Have a good day
Peter

[Ramps]

Maybe we should direct their notice to this thread. If I knew how to, I would do it.

It's unfortunate and probably not their fault, but as a goodwill gesture it would be a very worthwhile PR exercise. If I were Tauntons, I would have to be very wary about the harm this could do to their marketing in Australia, that is, if we are significant enough to them I suppose.

Good idea Samson ... I've just done that with my correspondence as I hadn't sent them one as yet and I think the replacement one from the newsagency is a pretty poor solution due to cost and availability in some areas.

[Ironwood]

Well I'm still waiting for them to turn up in the newsagents in Mackay!!

[mat]

Why not ask for temporary on-line access as compensation. You can download articles as PDF and print off or even save.

[silentC]

Just received some spam from FWW that contains this:


Whether you're new to woodworking or you've been making sawdust for years, you owe it to yourself to see how Fine Woodworking offers information and insight you won't find anywhere else.

With each issue, you'll:
•build valuable skills
•learn from professional woodworkers
•get proven know-how
•make the best tool buys

Enjoy up to 50% savings on Fine Woodworking magazine, subscribe today.

They're just teasing me now :mad: ;)

[Wongo]

I am still waiting for the reply of the 3 emails I sent them. What happened to those emails anyway?

[silentC]

They're ignoring you, Wongo. I hear they are all cat lovers at FWW. ;)

[Bob38S]

Received this reply this morning - I also opted not to buy here and extend my subscription - I hope this is not a sign of what is going to happen with the Tools & Shops extra magazine - like mine was last year.

Thank you for your reply. This e-mail is to confirm that we have
received your reply and will follow your instructions to replace FWW
#186. Please let us know if you have any further questions. Thank you
again for your interest in Taunton Press publications.

Sincerely,
ELIZABETH
Customer Service
800-477-8727
www.taunton.com/web

[Wongo]

They're ignoring you, Wongo. I hear they are all cat lovers at FWW. ;)

So am I.:cool:

[silentC]

So am I.:cool:
What? Ignoring yourself? Yes, that would be wise :p

[soundman]

:eek: :eek: I wondered what was missing.... mine hasn't arrived either.

:confused: :( :confused: :eek:

major problem.... must contacy taunton without delay.

cheers

[bsrlee]

My FWW arrived today - no e-mails necessary. It seems to have been posted in the Dominican Republic !!!:confused: Yeah, its the issue with Garry R. pouting at his router bits.

Anyhow, there seems to be a new issue out on Taunton's web site - I wonder how long this one will take to get here?

[soundman]

:D :D Oh dear..... At one time mine was comming "Deuchepost".
I know the american postal system is a little strange but how can it be more effective to ship something to germany then back to australia.
:confused: :confused:

cheers

[bitingmidge]

I know the american postal system is a little strange but how can it be more effective to ship something to germany then back to australia.
And then phone them to enquire, only to speak to someone in India?

P
:D :D :D

[bitingmidge]

If you do read this thread Mr Taunton, please note that the number of views at the time of this post is 1,600 which is a sure sign that not just the posters have an interest in the outcome!


Cheers,

P;)

[Auld Bassoon]

:D :D Oh dear..... At one time mine was comming "Deuchepost".
I know the american postal system is a little strange but how can it be more effective to ship something to germany then back to australia.
:confused: :confused:

cheers
I'm a little curious as to this also, as I have had several US publications delivered via Austria. I'm wondering if there is a scanning device that reads the first few letters and concludes "Aust" must be Austria?

[Groggy]

I'm a little curious as to this also, as I have had several US publications delivered via Austria. I'm wondering if there is a scanning device that reads the first few letters and concludes "Aust" must be Austria?Shippers pay for priority but also have standard space paid for. If they can get the item closer via a circuitous route utilising space already paid for they will. It may be due to backloading to clear the load from a high traffic area to better use under utilised routes with space available (load sharing).

There is some very fancy new routing software under development that will move items around the globe in very strange, but fast, ways. eg if an item can go from Atlanta USA to Melbourne via 6 points in 8 days, this software will investigate all other routes and may utilise 10 points to deliver in 3 days. It will also review its options at each via node. The maths and computational power involved is very scary.

[soundman]

There is some very fancy new routing software under development that will move items around the globe in very strange, but fast, ways. eg if an item can go from Atlanta USA to Melbourne via 6 points in 8 days, this software will investigate all other routes and may utilise 10 points to deliver in 3 days. It will also review its options at each via node. The maths and computational power involved is very scary.

The possibility of something getting lost or stolen is also mathamaticaly scary. we are talking freight handlers here.
All it take is for one step to fail & your freight is heading direct to Outerwhykickamoocow, via upapole.

yeh very clever..... not.

[ian]

I know the american postal system is a little strange but how can it be more effective to ship something to Germany then back to Australia.I can think of three possibilities

1) Australia and Austria are just different ways of spelling the name of that country south of Germany and east of Switzerland — aren't they?

2) Apart from Canada, almost all International FWW subscriptions are in Europe. Air shipping to Germany is dirt cheap 'cause you can buy the spare cargo space on the regular US military flights to Weisbarden (near Frankfurt), so all O/S orders are shipped to Europe for posting

3) Taunton's contractor uses a service like Surface Air Lifted mail (flown across oceans and driven across land). Again fly all international orders to Germany, truck the Aussie ones to Singapore and then fly them to Oz.

What I want to know is if Canadian subscribers get their mags posted in Germany


ian

[Driver]

....fly all international orders to Germany, truck the Aussie ones to Singapore and then fly them to Oz.


Just purely for fun, you understand, sketch out for us the overland route from Germany to Singapore. :confused: :rolleyes: :cool:

[Groggy]

The possibility of something getting lost or stolen is also mathamaticaly scary. we are talking freight handlers here.
All it take is for one step to fail & your freight is heading direct to Outerwhykickamoocow, via upapole.

yeh very clever..... not.I dunno, a few million items move around the globe now and a few thousand get lost. With increasing use of RFID you can track the item and tell when it goes astray. The new software will simply choose the fastest route, even detecting when airports are closed due to weather and re-route around them. If it goes astray, the s/w can route it back via the fastest route.

[ian]

Just purely for fun, you understand, sketch out for us the overland route from Germany to Singapore. :confused: :rolleyes: :cool:pick a route
http://www.unescap.org/ttdw/common/TIS/AH/maps/AHMapApr04.gif

ian

[scooter]

... I'm wondering if there is a scanning device that reads the first few letters and concludes "Aust" must be Austria?

Yeah, it's a blonde with long fingernails called Darlene ... :rolleyes:

[lesmeyer]

Issue 187 arrived today at my house in Perth (and we are isolated). Still have not yet received issue 186 after it was posted on 12 Sep.
Les

[Driver]

pick a route


ian

OK. How's this:

Germany, Austria, Hungary, Roumania, Bulgaria, Turkey (no drama so far, right?)

Iraq (whoops!) back up.

Armenia, Azerbaijan, Iran, Afghanistan (whoops!) back up.

Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Laos, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore.

I'm genuinely curious. Is that a realistic road freight option? Seems to me there are one or two places along that route where you might encounter a delay or two. Does anyone actually ship international freight overland through Iran et al? If so, how long does it take?

[Wongo]

:D Driver you so funny.

[silentC]

If you buy stuff from Amazon, it often goes via Frankfurt because they use Deutsche Post for international orders. Could be the same for FWW. Or maybe they have recently discovered that Australia is not in Europe, so they are no longer using Deutsche Post and are now using another carrier, which has resulted in the current stuff up.

Still don't have 185 or 186. Looking forward to not having 187 either because I don't have time to read it anyway. Maybe I could pay someone to read them for me?

[Wongo]

Or maybe FWW is actually printed in PRC. All the missing FWW magazine were sent to Austria by accident. To be fair sometimes it is a bit hard to tell the difference between Austria and Australia.

Hang one which one are we?


:D

[Auld Bassoon]

Well,

I today received my FWW #186 in the mail :)

I wonder if I should do the right thing and let Taunton know as I've already accepted their offer to extend my subscription by an issue on the basis that I'd buy #186 locally (which I haven't, as I couldn't find a copy).

# 187 should be hot on #186's heels. :) :)

[Driver]

Haven't had mine yet.:( Maybe it was sent overland from Germany and it's been held up at the Kazakhstan border - or maybe stolen by one of Borat's rellies!:cool:

[Groggy]

Haven't had mine yet.:( Maybe it was sent overland from Germany and it's been held up at the Kazakhstan border - or maybe stolen by one of Borat's rellies!:cool:Mine must be in the same bundle :(

[ian]

Issue 187 arrived today at my house in Perth (and we are isolated). Still have not yet received issue 186 after it was posted on 12 Sep.
LesLes
issues 186 & 187 arrived today, hurray!!

187 was posted International Surface Air Lift in Chicago

186 appears to have gone to the Dominican Republic, the plastic bag has a sticker that appears to say (in Spanish) "delivery impossible - no such address" It looks like all Australian orders got bundled and sent somewhere they shouldn't have because also written in the bag is
SWLF NSW FMOCR 704
20 OCT 06 02:42
and
SWLF NSW FMOCR 705
20 OCT 06 14:59
which I think means that the mag arrived at and was processed by an Australian bulk mail forwarder last Thursday


ian

[ian]

I'm genuinely curious. Is that a realistic road freight option? Seems to me there are one or two places along that route where you might encounter a delay or two. Does anyone actually ship international freight overland through Iran et al? If so, how long does it take?Driver,
I've not plotted a route in detail, however I know the Chinese are in the process of converting the old Silk Road to a 4 or six lane highway, that Saudi Arabia have constructed a 6 lane freeway between the Red Sea and Persian Gulf and that Surface Air Lifted packages from Europe take 2–3 weeks to arrive — times consistent with a very long drive or a few relatively short sea voyages. For comparison, Global Priority packages from the Atlantic side of the States take about 2 days (maye a bit less) to get from the supplier to Australian Customs


ian

[lesmeyer]

Guys - please lets stop this nonsense of expounding the overland very cheap shipping methods. We do NOT want to give Rob Lee at LV any ideas now - do we ?? Is'nt it enough that Taunton has taken to this?? :D:D:D
Les

[ian]

Guys - please lets stop this nonsense of expounding the overland very cheap shipping methods. We do NOT want to give Rob Lee at LV any ideas now - do we ??I don't know. I thought we'd already done that with last year's Great Aussie Bessy Clamp order !!

Thank you again DarylF

[lesmeyer]

I don't know. I thought we'd already done that with last year's Great Aussie Bessy Clamp order !!

Thank you again DarylF
Yes,
thanks to Daryl. The Bessey K bodies are great clamps. :)
Les

[Driver]

Driver,
I've not plotted a route in detail, however I know the Chinese are in the process of converting the old Silk Road to a 4 or six lane highway, that Saudi Arabia have constructed a 6 lane freeway between the Red Sea and Persian Gulf and that Surface Air Lifted packages from Europe take 2–3 weeks to arrive — times consistent with a very long drive or a few relatively short sea voyages. For comparison, Global Priority packages from the Atlantic side of the States take about 2 days (maye a bit less) to get from the supplier to Australian Customs


ian

Ian

I've probably been a bit unfair - please accept my apologies. I actually do know a bit about this and I spent some time in the Middle East during the 80s.

Surface Air Lifted packages use a combination of overland freight (including both rail and road transport), seafreight and airfreight. The freight companies involved will take advantage of whatever means is most economical within a realistic time frame. This usually means buying top-load space in mixed cargo.

Using your example of a package airfreighted to Germany en route from the US to Australia, it would be highly unlikely for the freight outfit to elect to send it overland from Germany to Singapore. The instability in the region from Turkey to India would make this both uncertain and potentially expensive. I am not suggesting that there is no road transport through this region - of course there is. However, if you were transporting from Europe to Australia, you would try to avoid this route.

Your comments on the updating of the Silk Road and the superhighway across Saudi are accurate but misleading. The Silk Road's original route passed through modern Iran and Iraq. Not a particularly recommended journey right now. The Saudi route from the Red Sea to the Gulf has been in place for a long time (over 25 years in my personal experience). It's simply being widened. Also, you wouldn't use it by choice as a part of a direct overland route from Europe to SE Asia).

You say that a 2-3 week transit time from Europe to Australia is consistent with a very long drive. Actually, the overland route would take a helluva lot longer than 3 weeks, I reckon.

Col

[ian]

Col
no offence taken

For the exercise if you assume two-up operation and driving for 20 hours per day, an average speed of 60km/h for the 20 hours totals 24,000km over 3 weeks.

to pick the fastest land route would take some detailed knowledge of road, rail and ferry routes


ian

[bitingmidge]

#187 is here (from Chicago), but of course it was never missing!
;)

Roll on #186

Cheers,

P

[Wongo]

I bet you mine will be here last.:(

[silentC]

I bet you issue #188 it wont :(