Honda

[ozwinner]

Hi groovers.

I have a Honda powered motor on my mixer, some time ago the cord on the pull start broke.

I fixed it, but its not the same as it was.

Does anyone have any tips on how to fix the recoil pull start properly?

Al :)

[E. maculata]

Hi groovers.

I have a Honda powered motor on my mixer, some time ago the cord on the pull start broke.

I fixed it, but its not the same as it was.

Does anyone have any tips on how to fix the recoil pull start properly?

Al :)

First Al give a betterer description of "not the same", reckon that'd be a start(er) ...pun fully intentional.

[keith53]

Al,

Having done this several times on B & S motors, I think the secret is the number of winds on the recoil start. Otherwise, the cord handle hangs out limply. Might be the problem? In any event, its a #### of a job. At your age, why don't you have electric start?:D

[ozwinner]

First Al give a betterer description of "not the same", reckon that'd be a start(er) ...pun fully intentional.


Ok.
I have half the chord hanging out, rather than the pull being hard against the housing it dangles about a foot out.

Al :(

[keith53]

Ok.
I have half the chord hanging out, rather than the pull being hard against the housing it dangles about a foot out.

Al :(

Aaaahhhh, I reckon I might have shed some light on the problem.:D :D

[ozwinner]

So how do I fix it?
Is there some link some where as to how/why?

Al :)

[keith53]

So how do I fix it?
Is there some link some where as to how/why?

Al :)

Never done a Honda. Too flash for me. But with the B & S, you need to do one or two turns against the spring to get the cord to seat properly. Its got to have quite a bit of tension. Trouble is, to get it back into the boss on the top of the crankshaft. Even if it hangs out a couple of inches it would be OK. You'd get enough pull to start the motor. I still reckon you need to transcend the dark side and go for electric start. Remember, you're not a young man any more. Hope this helps mate. :D

[E. maculata]

Al I don't know if there's an online tutorial, but you need as Keith mentioned more tension in the coil spring, extra winds maybe even only one or two or three against the spring should do it, or $16 at our local mower clinic fixes it every time.

(I have done this more than once, chainsaws, mowers, waterpumps, weedeaters , gennys, that is why when I found out for 16 bucks I could save my sanity, I sucumbed:o )

[Auld Bassoon]

Put Ya Yoot motor in it , and the Honda motor in the Yoot. One of them has to go better :D

[keith53]

Put Ya Yoot motor in it , and the Honda motor in the Yoot. One of them has to go better :D

No, Fair Go! Steve, you can't sell Yoots on this Board. Al said so. :D

[keith53]

Al I don't know if there's an online tutorial, but you need as Keith mentioned more tension in the coil spring, extra winds maybe even only one or two or three against the spring should do it, or $16 at our local mower clinic fixes it every time.

(I have done this more than once, chainsaws, mowers, waterpumps, weedeaters , gennys, that is why when I found out for 16 bucks I could save my sanity, I sucumbed:o )

Don't want to be picky here Bruce, but I'd reckon El Picko (did you see how my description of the job was #### out?) would want to fix these things on site, not nick off to the local dealer. He's probably sleeping much sounder now. :D Gee, these forums are good aren't they? You get to take the out of the moderator without any repurcussions. :D

[Bleedin Thumb]

It is a bugger of a job but not too hard. take of the winder assembly off undo the whole lot swear a great deal as the spring goes nuts etc etc re wind the rope as youve wound the spring back in as far as it goes then let the whole lot go nuts again, more swearing, then take Bruces' advice and put it in to get serviced.:eek:
Sorry Al but let someone else do it.:cool: Or buy an electric one.:)

[scooter]

Al, when I was mowing I used honda powered mowers, so have replaced a few cords.

Make sure the replacement cord is no thicker than the original, this ensures you can get enough turns on the pulley. On their mower motors at least, honda seem to put on an extra long cord so you don't hit the end like a dog on a chain, try and fit as much rope on the pulley to achieve the same end - without putting too much on that might make it bind :rolleyes: :D

Bit of trial & error to getting the tension right, you want sufficient tension to respool all the cord, without excess tension on the spring. Kinda like getting the tension right on a holland blind, so it returns without going sick & flogging itself to death :D

Little drizzle or spray of light oil on the spring if you have it apart helps it slide against itself easier.

Once you have the tension right, pull the cord out a foot or so, use a pair of vise grips to clamp the pulley & stop it retracting, then tie a figure of eight stopper knot inside the pull handle, then take off the vise grips.

Result should be the maximum length of correct sized line on the pulley, sufficient tension to retract the cord, and a happy brickie. :D

If you make it on Sunday, we can pull the starter off the honda mower I still have to check it out.


Cheers..................Sean

[Blocklayer]

Hey Al
Luckily, I've forgotten how to fix busted starter ropes on honda mixer engines.
But just a word of advice -
Next time it doesn't start, check the petrol before the rope breaks :)

[johnc]

You big wuss Al, never had that sort of trouble on the Villiers our old mixers had, a far better mechanism:cool: . Time to get a real motor with out any of that new fangled wind up rubbish. Seriously having replaced a few on an old Honda what has been said before covers it completely.

John

[dazzler]

Hi Al

my 2c. Speak to your local honda guy and get him to repair it and also pick up a 2nd hand spare. that way when you do break one you just swap em and put it in for repair. no down time :)

[Blocklayer]

A teaspoon could mix mud faster than a mixer with a Villiers.
When the hoddy breaks the starter rope on my 3 cubic foot Lightburn towable (circa 1970) fitted with a Honda engine, we just give the big wheel a turn by hand and it always goes first turn

[Cliff Rogers]

.....Does anyone have any tips on how to fix the recoil pull start properly?.....

I had the same problem, cement mixer & all.

Went to the local ols small engine repairer with a model number & he produced a 2nd hand one from his collection for $30.

Too easy. ;)

PS. New one for a GX160 was $170. :eek:

[journeyman Mick]

Al,
I just wrote a long, step by step post on how to retension the thing but it got lost in space:mad: If you can't get it sorted (and are too tight to get it done :p ;) , I will write it again. It would be good for you to suss out how to do it as it's a vital skill for anyone who has any small motors IMHO

Mick (who, at last count has more than 10 small motors)

[Ashore]

Does this rope have a handle on it that can be easily removed without cutting the rope, if so remove handle remove cover wind rope onto the pully a few more turns until the foot of slack is used up feed rope back through hole in cover and replace replace handle on rope and try

or using the shortened rope as is get a can of aerostart and spray into air filter intake before each start (will work but not recomended)

[ozwinner]

Thanks guys, I have a mystery fixer of small motors who is coming this Sunday to fix it. :rolleyes:

Go you Mystery Man. :p

Al :)

[ozwinner]

The Honda pull start is now fixed, so I will be able to pull properly.

Al :cool:

[fred.n]

And therein lies the secret to this problem Al:cool:

it's all in the pull :eek: :D :p

[Skew ChiDAMN!!]

No, no, no. The secret is in the push!

You wait until next Hard Garbage Collection day and push it onto the neighbours' front lawn...

[Iain]

The Honda pull start is now fixed, so I will be able to pull properly.

Al :cool:

If it's really stiff get your labourer to help, you can then pull together:rolleyes:

[Auld Bassoon]

If it's really stiff get your labourer to help, you can then pull together:rolleyes:

About there is where we'll leave it methinks :D :D :D

[Rossluck]

I've ignored this thread because I thought you'd get a whole lot of responses. I have occasion to reinstall starter rope all the time. Here's how I do it:

1. Take three bolts (10mm socket) out to take off recoil starter
2. Lay starter mechanism flat on bench
3. Undo centre screw with phillips head driver, remove cover plate
4. Note positions of small levers in case you accidently spill them
5. Gently lift plastic wheel up and off the spring
6. The spring should remain in place at the bottom of the metal cover
7. Place plastic wheel on bench taking care not to spill levers and springs
8. Rip out old cord
9. Push new cord through hole and tie knot
10. Wind the cord in the direction indicated by the arrow (or, look at the hole that the cord is pulled through on the metal cover to work out which direction to wind)
11. Push loose end of wound up cord into one of the notches provided
12. Gently replace plastic wheel until you feel it "click" into the spring (gently turn it left and right until it drops down)
13. Check levers and so on, replace cover plate, and phillips head centre screw and tighten
15. Making sure the cord is held in the wheel by the notch, turn the wheel in the direction opposite the arrow (or again work it out from the exit hole)
16. Once you've wound it a few times (do it by the feel of the spring tensioning, remebering that when you pull start you put even more tension on the spring) lift the loose end of the cord out of the notch and thread it through the exit hole
17. Attach it to the black pull handle
18. Pull it a few times to make sure it's working
19. Re-attach starter to motor
20. Go.

If spring unfolds or bounces out at you, chuck it all in a shopping bag and take it to a lawnmower place.

I use thicker cord than Honda.