View Full Version : you fellas just don't talk about hand planes enough !
JDarvall
24th September 2006, 01:58 PM
well, you just don't.
Burning my eyeballs out I do, searching for a thread on them....all I ever see is powertool threads.....triton this, domino that (still don't even know what a domino is !) .....Went through 8 pages the other day looking for something INTERESTING to talk about.....but nothing but powertool crap and Al's mower stories.
I mean, why you bothering with powertools anyway. In a few years, when the oil runs out, how you gonna run em.....eh EH ! :p
Ashore
24th September 2006, 02:05 PM
In a few years, when the oil runs out, how you gonna run em.....eh EH ! :p
Batteries mate Batteries but with no oil how you gonna stop yours from rusting...eh EH! :p
Iain
24th September 2006, 03:16 PM
Here you go, become a Domino Darksider:rolleyes:
http://www.ehow.com/how_9241_play-dominoes.html
Mirboo
24th September 2006, 03:50 PM
Batteries mate Batteries but with no oil how you gonna stop yours from rusting...eh EH! :p
Lanolin.:cool:
E. maculata
24th September 2006, 04:47 PM
I can remember a time, we shall call the "plane period" where for quite some time not much more was discussed here. During this period I fell even further down the slippery slope of regression, and started persuing all matter of weird old steel. Fortunately this period ended and was replaced by the hand cut dovetail era........:confused:
Clinton1
24th September 2006, 05:00 PM
Actually, Jake, I've got another weird old woodie plane I'm trying to name, but with no digi camera I've been holding off trying to type a description of it....
with that and all the words from the language I've been learning for the last week running around my head - I'd much prefer to sit back and read what others have to say.
My heads a bit full at the moment (rude comments on what it is full of is not allowed!). :rolleyes:
Mirboo
25th September 2006, 12:16 AM
I reckon hand cut dovetails have had their day. Let's lead a resurrection of the "plane period (http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?p=379589#post379589)". :D
craigb
25th September 2006, 12:41 AM
Well I reckon that the DeHavilland Comet was a much underated plane.
Sure it used to suffer catostrophic decompression but it was a very good looking beast.
I particularly liked how the motors wree mounted inboard of the wings and really close to the fuselage.
It was also 7 years before the 707.
So, which is your favorite plane?
Lignum
25th September 2006, 01:01 AM
so, which is your favorite plane?
I have always enjoyed driving across the nullarbor plain :)
Ashore
25th September 2006, 01:06 AM
The 747
jmk89
25th September 2006, 01:57 AM
A couple of reasons why I haven't posted much about hand planes (on the other kind of planes, I always loved the Fokker Friendship dual turbo prop and my only flight on a DC-3 operating a commercial flight (during the pilots' strike of 1989) was one of my planespotter highlights):
I bought the handplane book and before asking a question here, I look for the answer there.
If it isn't there, a couple of searches on the WWF will often find it (one search is just to look through Jake's threads or posts.....). This prevents being 'flamed' by the Grumpy Old Men of the Forums who lie in wait to post "This has been discussed Brazilians of times before..Do a search" - once bitten, twice shy.
Though profile cutting etc with a plane looks very possible from esp Jake's postings, this is where my darkside tendencies give out - the right (sharp) cutter in the table router is the way to go for me (I do hold a little wake with a suitable bottle of red afterwards for the dead electrons:D ).
I enjoy reading about Jake and others' adventures in plane land, but until I retire from fulltime work, I am unlikely to really emulate any of them - until then I just have to keep a small range of Stanleys sharp and in tune and I'm afraid that - aside from saying that using the WASP for sharpening has worked well for me - there is little I can add to what has already been said on the Forum.Sorry to be discouraging - it's not meant to be. And this is not just an issue for hand planes, it's just that it is one of the areas where I like reading the stuff, but as for having a contribution to make...well, it's likely to be rare.
Cheers
Jeremy
ernknot
25th September 2006, 07:35 AM
I gotta Makita hand plane with a really really sharp whizzing blade. Well I got to push it along so it's a hand plane.
MikeK
25th September 2006, 12:00 PM
Jake,
From my own experience, I started woodoworking with powertools primarily because of the perception that power seemed easier that handtools. Once you go down this track, the discussion is inevitably around powertools. However, I'm now at the point where I am dabbling in the darkside (I've got 4 handplanes). Problem is, I don't really have the skills to use them properly.:( . I'll keep muddling along, but that's why no handplane posts from me.
Regards,
Mike.
silentC
25th September 2006, 01:04 PM
This topic of why we don't talk about hand planes enough has been discussed before.
BTW I left my LV low angle block plane out of it's box for a week and it's gone all rusty. Bloody salt air :mad:
sea dragon
25th September 2006, 02:36 PM
Just for a bit more plane talking, why are some women described as "plane"? (Do not correct spelling). It cannot be because their features need planing and they are never the type who have been smoothed and polished to a finished product?
And why are men never described as plane?:rolleyes:
Iain
25th September 2006, 06:46 PM
Because men are perfect, like me, body like a God, even if it is Buddha:o
Auld Bassoon
25th September 2006, 08:13 PM
This topic of why we don't talk about hand planes enough has been discussed before.
BTW I left my LV low angle block plane out of it's box for a week and it's gone all rusty. Bloody salt air :mad:
Keep the coated brown paper the planes from both LV and LN come wrapped in, and don't spare the Camelia Oil.
Even a fingerprint (perhaps even especially a fingerprint because of the salt) will cause a rust spot at worst or maybe just a tarnish mark.
I don't find corrosion to be a big deal in Melbourne, but one still has to take care...
Auld Bassoon
25th September 2006, 08:14 PM
Just for a bit more plane talking, why are some women described as "plane"? (Do not correct spelling). It cannot be because their features need planing and they are never the type who have been smoothed and polished to a finished product?
And why are men never described as plane?:rolleyes:
Because blokes are more discriminating?
Ducks and runs for cover....
Bodgy
25th September 2006, 08:21 PM
This topic of why we don't talk about hand planes enough has been discussed before.
BTW I left my LV low angle block plane out of it's box for a week and it's gone all rusty. Bloody salt air :mad:
I notice on my lovingly restored plane collection, that when I grasp them with a sweaty hand, the imprint stays on the steel and, if not wiped, will start to corrode. This is despite a protective coating of SilverGlide on sole and cheeks and Camelia Oil on the irons. I now try to pick them up by the wood bits or the frog area.
Are we getting a little too precious?
There you go Jake, we're talking about planes!
Mirboo
25th September 2006, 08:35 PM
Keep the coated brown paper the planes from both LV and LN come wrapped in, and don't spare the Camelia Oil.
Lie-Nielsen have stopped shipping their planes in the Ferro-Pak corrosion inhibiting paper. Now they are sealed in a light blue see-through plastic bag which I assume has some corrosion inhibiting properties. This is then wrapped in white paper, kind of like butchers paper, and then the whole thing is placed in the standard corrugated cardboard box.
silentC
26th September 2006, 09:42 AM
Keep the coated brown paper
I keep it wrapped in that usually, but I left it out this once :(
Are we getting a little too precious
Possibly but they seem to work better when they are nice and shiny :)
TassieKiwi
26th September 2006, 01:57 PM
Silent - I got one of the LV socks which keeps the corrosion at bay. EEE and steel wool should fix. I have camielia but I reckon trad wax is better. I have decided that I am getting too precious though. after all, that 'patina' has to start somewhere.
My favourite other plane is the Sea Fury. The most impressive combustion engine fighter I have ever seen in flight. Top speed is greater than the Skyhawk.
silentC
26th September 2006, 02:00 PM
I use trad wax on all my planes and machines. Good stuff. Looks good as a finish too ;)
I was too worried about using it before because it was so shiny. Now it's just another tool :)
Spitfire for me.
TEEJAY
26th September 2006, 02:07 PM
Does that "silverglide" work fine on hand planes?
I know it is good on the bandsaw top and also on the thicknesser top but a handplane . . . ???
JDarvall
26th September 2006, 09:02 PM
Spitfire for me.
For me too. Can't be beat that one. Heard that there's enough still flyable about that they've actually started manufacturing new parts for it.
keith53
26th September 2006, 09:17 PM
Well, I need one. Just a little one, mind. I'd like to take the edges off some of my boxes with a nice, sharp blade as opposed to sanding like buggery. I don't know what sort of plane I need, but preferrably something I can fit in my hand with a razor sharp (or the capacity to keep so) blade. I do have a hand plane (apart from the Makita) but, sadly, its a cheap Chinese copy (Footprint). It does keep a good edge though but is much too large for box making. I've had it for years and do use it on occasion, and this is the first time I've publicly said so.:D
Bodgy
26th September 2006, 11:26 PM
Does that "silverglide" work fine on hand planes?
I know it is good on the bandsaw top and also on the thicknesser top but a handplane . . . ???
Don't really know.
I use it on all my planes soles and cheeks, it seems to work if you don't use them, but it wears off the sole very quickly when in use and then sort of becomes sticky until you re-apply.
I don't think there's any panacea. There are too many variables for me to be definitive. Its great for machine tables tho.
The best advice I've had is to keep a small vegemite jar full of wax (I use the $2 Bunnies stuff) and fill it with cotton rags. Keep it next to the bench when planing and evry 10 minutes or so, glide the plane sole over the waxy cotton.
I do notice that Camelia oil is great for my chisels, no rust, even after the Sydney rain - and my shed leaks.
I think we should all just accept the patina, like they have for 300 years.
silentC
27th September 2006, 09:27 AM
I don't know what sort of plane I need, but preferrably something I can fit in my hand with a razor sharp (or the capacity to keep so) blade.
What you need is a block plane. Like my rusty Lee Valley low angle block. Or one of the Stanleys like a #9 1/2 or #60. Give Hans Brunner a ring, he always has a heap lying about for around the $80 to $100 mark.
Bodgy
27th September 2006, 09:52 AM
If its a block you're after, they are on Epay in their dozens. From $5 up. Think mine was about $10, no idea the make, but its a good, solid block plane. Would love one of the ones with the brass knob to adjust the iron tho, belting it with a hammer to adjust is ruining my karma.
silentC
27th September 2006, 09:58 AM
Think mine was about $10 ... Would love one of the ones with the brass knob to adjust the iron tho, belting it with a hammer to adjust is ruining my karma.
See? You get what you pay for ;)
jmk89
27th September 2006, 03:43 PM
I put the body of a #4 Stanley (Made in England) into the washing soda bath and electolysed it last night. The rust must have got under the japanning as almost all of it came off.
I know that in general it is considered better just to leave it as is and protect the metal against rust with wax/oil. But is it sensible to look at trying to get rid of all the old japanning and put new in its place? It's just that the thing looks almost naked in its raw metal state.
It was my dad's first and main plane and I suppose I am a bit sentimetal about it and would like to get it back to the best condition I can.
Cheers
Jeremy