sanding sealer and stain

[joseph84]

After reading many books regarding applying a stain on top of a sanding sealer i finally decided to give it a go. Most books i've read said it is possible, many people i've asked said the same.

So tonight, i sprayed 3 coats of thinners based sanding sealer on a peice of pine. waited till it was dry and then i applyed with a rag a turps based stain on top. The stain just wiped straight off! I kind of expected this to happen.

Is this normal? I have also read that you can mix lacquer with stain and spray it all together. Though is it safe to mix a thinners based lacquer with a turps based stain? Am i inviting trouble if i do this?

Thanks for the help guys :)

Joseph

[Harry72]

Maybe the sand sealer they are refering to is thinned dewaxed shellac, not oil based crap you buy from the shops. With this oil stuff stain 1st, because it does what it says... seals perminately, the only thing that will go through it is sandpaper!

Thinners base could mean turps(oil) or spirits based, they dont mix at all!

[joseph84]

thanks Harry, i will give the dewaxed shellac a go and see what happens

[Gumby]

How about downloading Neil's video? It goes through sanding sealer, stains and lots more.

[Harry72]

Have you got Ubeaut book?
If not check here on the Ubeaut link at the bottom of the page... Neil has sanding sealer.

[joseph84]

gumby, I was going to download neils video but because im on dial up im not sure how long it is going to take

Harry, Yes i do have the ubeaut book, Ill have to re read that book again

[durwood]

Harry is right you won't have any success adding turps based stain to lacquer what you need is a spirit stain.

Or you can add lacquer colour to the sanding sealer just use strong ones added to the sanding sealer before thinning. If you use weak colours they are usually mixed with clear to enable them to be added in small amounts and you will effect the sanding sealers properties to some extent.

Or you could add the colour to clear lacquer or enamel once you have used the sanding sealer to get the tone you want if you intend having this as your top coat.

[JB]

How about downloading Neil's video?

Could you tell me where the link to this is please?

[old_picker]

So tonight, i sprayed 3 coats of thinners based sanding sealer on a peice of pine. waited till it was dry and then i applyed with a rag a turps based stain on top. The stain just wiped straight off! I kind of expected this to happen.

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Mix some stain into your lacquer and shoot it on . Least thats what I do.
Works good if you use a few coats an not too much stain in it to get a even looking coat.

[Tex B]

Three coats might be the problem. I've used one coat of sealer followed by stain with no problem. The sealer does a good job of filling some of the thirstier bits, particularly on end grain and softer timber, and makes the stain more consistent across the board. The idea is to use the sealer to 'fill' those 'thirsty' bits so the stain does not concentrate there, not to actually seal the timber.

Tex

[joseph84]

Mix some stain into your lacquer and shoot it on . Least thats what I do.
Works good if you use a few coats an not too much stain in it to get a even looking coat.

This was what i had in mind, BUT the lacquer i use is thinners based and the stain i use is turps based. I dont think its a good idea mixing these 2 together??

Joseph