The future as i see it (fortune telling if you like)

[doug the slug]

A week or so ago, i received a PM from forum management asking nicely if i would consider changing my avatar. the reason given was that they had received a number of requests from schools to use the forum database for use within schools, and one of the impediments to doing so was concerns about my avatar and its suitability for this new group of forum users.
Well, looking on this request at face value, i thought it was a good idea and widened the public profile of the forum.
well further thought was undertaken and now i think that there are several aspects of the culture of the forum that need to be taken into consideration if it is to be revamped to such an extent. This forum has been so successful because the current membership is basically adult and have established a culture of accepting the mature input of the other forum members who may at times post stuff that is unacceptable to the operators of a school-based forum. the young kids who are currently with us have established themselves in their own right on their own merits.
The reason requests have been made to expand the customer base of the forum is because the forum has been so successful and its success is attributable to the managememnt of Neil. Pauline, and the myriad of moderators and admin. ive seen it before - its been such a success and so now we are getting requests to share our success (but inorder to do so we need to kill off everyone who contributed to our initial success) lets kill off free expression so the school kids parents will let the kids on here. :D :D :D :D :D :D
Sorry, people but tonight was the final straw for me. ive been told that im wrong when ive been right too often and too harshly by too many forum executives to the extent that i dont want to contribute on here any more.
i have learned a lot on this forum but im sure i've contributed more than iv'e gotten out of it and thats great cos i love helping other people. that's the thing ive enjoyed here more than anything else. whats so hard about saying sorry when you are proven wrong?
If i am wrong i just have to take the lumps, if some jumped up junior moderator is wrong they delete or lock the thread - what a nice lovely level playing field.

if this thread is allowed to stay on here for more than five minutes i will be surprised.

[ozwinner]

Doug.
I have banned you seeing as how thats what you wanted.

The ban will stay in place for 7 days.


If you want to rant about the jumped up junior moderators who donate their time so the forum runs better go and start your own forum somewhere.

The thread will stay so people can see it.

Al :)

[zenwood]

Is there a technological solution to this problem? Perhaps a "Schools" sub-forum, in which avatars are not displayed? And school computers which only allow access to that subforum. I'm sure this could be done.

Other than that, I agree with Doug: increasing censorship to accomodate children would change this very successful forum to something else.

[ubeaut]

Doug - You conveniently left out this bit from my PM: "we have had a good number of complaints from a variety of people"

Most of those complaints have been in disgust of your avatar and personal profile pic.

Quote Doug "asking nicely if i would consider changing my avatar"

Part of PM from me: This is a formal request for you to remove your avatar and your personal profile graphic and replace them with anything you care for so long as it isn't unsavoury, phallic, etc.

You replaced it with an extremely suggestive one avatar (which I removed) and this remark: "Nbody, including you, would expect me to go down without a fight" YES! I expect that you would comply as other who were asked did.

After removing the new one I said you would now have to submit your new avatar for approval before it could go on the forum and you replied: "Now i think you are being unreasonable in treating me like a little kid"Well der.... play like a little kid and you get treated like one.

As I said in a further PM to you after receiving more complaints about your changed avatar:

I don't think I was being unreasonable. Please try to understand that my time is very precious to me and I don't have any extra to go mucking around with things like this, so when I ask for something to be done it would be nice for it to be done without me having to do follow ups and answer a heap of emails and deal with all other rubbish that comes down on my head because of it.

The forums are a much bigger picture than you and most other members see. There are many, many hours of behind the scenes work generated every day by the forums and playing funny buggers with avatars added dramatically to the work load.

In the time you have been on these forums you have created more work for me and other moderators than anyone else. Yes you have contributed well to many posts and that is great. However you have flamed others, complained often about everything from reputation points to moderators and even manipulated rep points for your own gain.

I had asked Al to reduce your life ban to 7 days before reading this thread and now I think it is best that he just terminates you for good as you seem to want.

Neil :mad:
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This posts needs more but once again I find myself wasting my valuable time. Those who care about these forums will see them grow and not to the detriment of the Ocker spirit but because of it. Maybe now some of those who have left in disgust will return.

[ubeaut]

Zenwood - There is no increase in censorship nor is there an increase planned. We are just asking people to abide by the rules and the rules are and always have been quite clear.

Not everyone wants to see bouncing boobs when they are looking for info on woodwork. Not everyone wants to see people get away with flaming others and constantly breaching a certain standard. Just this last week we had a lady ask to be removed when she asked a pretty straight forward question and received 1 good answer and 5 suggestive ones. Maybe they should have been censored. But they weren't.

Cheers - Neil :)

[dazzler]

Hey

Well I was also one to be asked to change my lovely lovely avatar.

I was asked politely by the administrators and changed it. As some of the younger ones come on I can see thier point. My 10yo comes online and is getting into turning. I raise my kids pretty liberaly so Dougs or my avatar woulnt be of concern at all, but others raise kids differently and I accept that they may be upset.

I am watching ABC Rage at the moment and there is a lot more suggestive stuff going on.....back in a minute..mmmm christina aguilera:eek:

But I gotta ask, just how do you manage to get into arguements that so bad that people abuse each other. I wind people up all the time and am yet to get slammed.

If u go into the orange room then its like a balmain pub....say ya piece and expect to get a mouthful. Similar to other non wood discussions, people arent going to agree with you and may even suggest your arguement is stoooopid....Get a grip:rolleyes:

But I think we need a "gossop" room....like the watercooler at work.....did you here about "doug" and "ele"...your joking...giggle giggle...

Perhaps when the moderators get time they could post some thoughts on the direction of the forum.

cheers


dazzler

[Grunt]

Ah Doug, the new Kenmil

[Gumby]

Perhaps when the moderators get time they could post some thoughts on the direction of the forum.

cheers


dazzler

I don't think they need to. We all know where the boundaries are and I'm sure Neil doesn't want this to go on and on. We've been there, done that.

[dazzler]

I don't think they need to. We all know where the boundaries are and I'm sure Neil doesn't want this to go on and on. We've been there, done that.

Well theres obviously been a change (Our avitars have not been an issue for over a year)...more aligned for schools etc.

Not complaining:)

Not having a go or causing trouble. :)

All business have a plan, this forum is part of the business, and it would be interesting to know where it is planning to go in the future.

Which direction will it be moving.

Not complaining, wondering:D

[Wood Butcher]

Well theres obviously been a change (Our avitars have not been an issue for over a year)...more aligned for schools etc.
Actually the avatars have been an issue for a long time. There were complaints made last year, so it has been a long time coming.

In regards to the other questions I can't help you as I think Neil is the only one who can answer them authoritively(sp?).

[sbranden]

Well theres obviously been a change (Our avitars have not been an issue for over a year)...more aligned for schools etc.

Not complaining:)

Not having a go or causing trouble. :)

All business have a plan, this forum is part of the business, and it would be interesting to know where it is planning to go in the future.

Which direction will it be moving.

Not complaining, wondering:D

There are a couple of interesting points in this post:
1. It reads like you are a little fearful of complaining, and that I believe that is going to be an increasing issue around here. This forum needs moderation, but if it goes to far then we will all either tow the company line or be forced to leave. This is quite a friendly and definately a helpful resource. It would be a shame to see it change to a powerplay.

2. Yes, this forum is a business tool. It is used as traffic generation to ubeaut.com.au, advertising for ubeaut and increasingly revenue via advertising. There are a lot more ads now than when I first came on board, and I imagine they pull in more than a full time wage for the board owners.

Every post by volunteers is leveraged to income to ubeaut. This is fair as they have hosting costs and a business to run, but I would hate to see all the work by members around here manipulated so that the only appropriate use of the forum is helping ubeaut at the expense of members.

There is a fantastic community here. I hope that the admins and membership can work out a way to keep everything going happily while remaining within reasonable boundaries.

shaun

[Sir Stinkalot]

2. Yes, this forum is a business tool. It is used as traffic generation to ubeaut.com.au, advertising for ubeaut and increasingly revenue via advertising. There are a lot more ads now than when I first came on board, and I imagine they pull in more than a full time wage for the board owners.

Every post by volunteers is leveraged to income to ubeaut. This is fair as they have hosting costs and a business to run, but I would hate to see all the work by members around here manipulated so that the only appropriate use of the forum is helping ubeaut at the expense of members.
shaun

I wouldn't think so. I am sure that Neil doesn't want us to go into the finances of the business but I recall that when the google ads were initially put in they generate something stupid like $0.01 for each click, no revenue is generated if they are not clicked.

There are many new post who have no idea about the Ubeaut range, it is actually difficult to get to the sales site of Ubeaut from the forums, perhaps a little too difficult.

In my opinion the time and efforts involved in keeping the forum running free for members would be an expense to Ubeaut, and this is something that some members forget.

[dazzler]

Hi Shaun

I am not complaining at all.

My point is where is the forum going. Which direction is it going to take. This is not to be arguementative but honest input.

There seems to be a lot of people throwing whammies and running off sulking which is very strange indeed. Particularly in the past few months.

I love this forum. Its like a child that grows and moves. What was appropriate six months ago may no longer be appropriate. No worries with that.

I understand that this is now the premier woodworking site in Aus. That is great, but it is evolving and I was wondering where the administrators see the future.

A more informative, more focused on woodwork and its associated offshoots perhaps? With less rogueish behaviour.? Less aussie perhaps?

If it evolves more in this way one would suggest that most of the "non woodwork" forums should be moved over to orange as so many people seem to have a thinner/more pc skin.

So I no complain. Just muse:D

[fred.n]

Hi All,
Just have to add my 2 cents worth here (sorry:) )

I to have had PM's from the powers that be, and also had stuff removed.
Some times when we post stuff, the emotions can get a bit hot, and things can be said.......and it's up to the administrators to either let it be or not.
I dont see anything wrong with complying with THEIR rules, if they ask you??
It all boils down to this......if you don't like the channel.....change it
I think this is a great site, and a great deal of FUN is had here by a lot of people...............lets keep it that way:)

[Cliff Rogers]

...I imagine they pull in more than a full time wage for the board owners....

I bet you couldn't live off it. ;) :D

Ignore him Neil.

[Grunt]

I doubt it would cover the costs of running the BB.

I wonder why people take these forums so seriously. It's not the end of the world if you get a post removed or someone asks you to remove something that some find offensive.

I do have a problem with those goat loving, banana sucking junior moderators though. :D

[Cliff Rogers]

....or someone asks you to remove something that some find offensive.

I do have a problem with those goat loving, banana sucking junior moderators though. :D

Maybe you could just 'remove yourself' then. :D

[zenwood]

Zenwood - There is no increase in censorship nor is there an increase planned.
Fair enough, Neil. Would be good to get the schools on side, because this is such a wealth of information available from actual practitioners, and the work of the moderators adds much to that value.

After seeing some of the to-ing and fro-ing, and time Neil's put into this issue, I'm surprised Doug has lasted this long.

[Sir Stinkalot]

I recall the "good old days" when somebody put up an attention seeking, dummy spitting post and announcing their retirement from the forums then the moderators did just that ..... If somebody wants to go public and announce their departure making a political stance ..... let them go and dont let them come back.

[namtrak]

.......I wonder why people take these forums so seriously. It's not the end of the world if you get a post removed or someone asks you to remove something that some find offensive.........


Well said, I dont see the big deal. I've been chipped a couple of times, got the odd reddy for being inappropriate, offended people, been offended, argued ethics and politics but at the end of the day it's just water off a ducks back. For the 100 or so regulars, we're here for the chat as much as we are for the technical stuff. So if things go a bit pear shaped, you just need to roll with it - we ALL have much bigger fish to fry in our lives I am certain of that.

Cheers
Mick

[Clinton1]

"culture of the forum"... "revamping"... "culture of accepting"..."our initial success"..."free expression"..."forum executives"..."level playing field"... "told I'm wrong when I've been right"...."jumped up junior moderator "
:eek:

Ahhhh, a quick search of old threads reveals .....


its been 4 weeks since Dougs last thread critiscising the way the forum is not run to his specifications.

I reckon this is all based on lunar cycles ;)

[Stuart]

Well I know one person who will be happy - my wife. So it is not just kids that were being offended, but it took a while before the weight of public pressure caused the action taken. Others who have used that avatar in the past have self regulated after they had their fun. If that had happened here, then this would not have gone as far as it has.

I'm sure Dazzler's would not have been removed had it not been to keep the playing field level, and fairness to everyone concerned. We do have to recognise that it is not just males 25-60, white, anglosaxon, protestant on this site. All races, religions, ages and both sexes are equally welcome, and sometimes a reminder is required.

Moderators really only have to moderate 3 types of posts. Ones that forget the above point, the ones of those ####wits who want to inundate us with spam, and to play referee in the occasional boxing match. We get enough crap dealing with the last, without having to get into slagging matches over the first two.

So when is the next full moon then, and who's turn is it to be kenmil?

[Daddles]

So when is the next full moon then, and who's turn is it to be kenmil?

Gumby's back :D

Richard

[bitingmidge]

I was going to ignore this thread, but I won't.

Thanks Neil.

P
:cool:

[Sturdee]

to play referee in the occasional boxing match.

Mea culpa.:o

Twice I have been moderated by whilst being active on this board and both times they were in a boxing match. :eek:

Both times I have disagreed but gracefully accepted such moderation. You accept the rules and move on and later with the benefit of hindsight I realised that I could have done it better. (Sorry Stuart)

I have had the avatars turned of for a very long time now because I haven't enjoyed looking at some of them either, so it is not a recent thing but may be a system where the default is that avatars are not displayed untill requested may be better.

And maybe some of the more robust non woodworking threads should be made similar to the Orange room treatment.

It is regretful that people leave over this.

Peter.

[outback]

Wow, lucky I'm perfect. I'd hate to run foul of one of them junior goat sucking moderating bananas. :eek: I've never had a post deleted, received a PM from Neil or or nuthin' and never had my avatar changed.

Am I the teachers pet?












NAh I'm lyin' Ive had the lot. No doubt the place is changing though.

[Toolin Around]

Don't think doug will get the chance to read this but for the rest that plan to spit the dummy and run. I have no idea what drives you to do it. But leaving a "last kick" thread like this one makes you look like an over grown 5 year old having a temper tantrum. If sympathy and respect are something you're trying to achieve it won't happen acting like this - quite the opposite.

[knucklehead]

There are many things in life that are worthy of getting upset about.
This isn't one of them............. not by a long shot.


Lets keep things in perspective, this is a woodworking forum. Lets have lots of argy bargy over "light side V dark side". Lets argue about the quailty of GMC tools. Lets debate who makes the best turning tool.

But who gives a bugger about this stuff!


P.S. I will welcome any school that is forward thinking enough to use the forum to advance their students knowledge.

[Gumby]

P.S. I will welcome any school that is forward thinking enough to use the forum to advance their students knowledge.

or set their education back 2 years :D :D

psst, Neil, now that he's gone, can I have my red power back please ? :D

[Zed]

its pretty easy really, apply the logic;

Neil owns the site, what he says goes. whats to argue about... whats so hard to understand ?

In the past I've had posts "edited" & "removed" - who cares ?

Doug is lucky he's had a chance to participate - sounds like the old public service "the world owes me a living syndrome" to me.... another "last post". Bye Dung, ah... Doug...:)

i reckon things havn't changed much at all - the same rules have been applied logically the whole time i've been here (3 yrs ?); if you speak about shagging, show boobies, insult, denegrate or show obtuse sexism you get your post deleted - rarely anything else - banning is an extreme last resort for spammers and serial ferkwits like kenmil (you reading this Doug ?)

Its been the same way the whole time i've know this place.... Believe me I've had my fair share of posts "edited" . Now that i'm a moderator I can tell you quite clearly the rules for moderation are very liberal and even handed, but you know this right ? stop yer whinging you pack of purse carrying nancies!! ! :D


Cheers

[Zed]

one more thing, & NEIL have both told me to back of on the editing etc.... so dont acuse them of being heavy handed you are lucky I aint the boss!!! :D

[bitingmidge]

Now that i'm a moderator I can tell you quite clearly the rules for moderation are very liberal and even handed, but you know this right ?
Zed,

I heard a rumour that you only became a moderator because your reds were worth more points.

Surely that's not the case, is it?

P
:D :D :D

[Gumby]

stop yer whinging you pack of purse carrying nancies!! ! :D


or you could have said "you Geelong Footballers". It's the same thing :D

[Stuart]

Mea culpa.:o



Don't worry Peter- I hadn't forgotten that I was swinging away just as merrily in that one!:o

[Gumby]

Don't worry Peter- I hadn't forgotten that I was swinging away just as merrily in that one!:o

OK, now that you two are officially engaged, when's the wedding :rolleyes:

[Groggy]

I am surprised that schools don't already use this forum, it appears in numerous google searches I've done and the yahoo web spiders live here.

This forum has some great information from over the years by forumites stored free of charge and provided by UBeaut. I don't think it will make a difference to change the avatar Doug, try it, you'll bounce right back I'm sure (so to speak).

I spent many years on an un-moderated group, rec.woodworking, and saw it eventually degenerate to a point it was no longer worth wading through the junk.
For me, setting and maintaining standards is a good thing, making the learning aspect of the forum available to a wider audience is also a good thing. I think we would learn from a bunch of inquisitive youngsters (and w'work teachers) getting involved. Who knows, maybe we could even teach them something.

Finally, this isn't a democracy, unless Neil wants it to be, so I guess we have to pay that "price" to be members. It's pretty cheap in my book.

[ozwinner]

My moderation style..

I have a very broad mind and usually overlook posts that others later delete, I even join in on some and get deleted myself, I dont have a problem with that.

I will not tolerate personal slagging whether against me, or anyone else be it moderators or general members.
We have all come here to talk about woodwork and its associated trades, and to have fun.
When it stops being fun for you, just stop coming here, dont post a tirade about the Administration of the forum, you wont win.
Better to just fade away.

Banning a person is the last thing any of us want to do, it is the last resort.

Al

[Auld Bassoon]

We have all come here to talk about woodwork

I thought you were here for the goats?


Better to just fade away.

Gumby faded away but got his colour back.

But we need a gossip forum.....i dont what the hecks bin going on and I just wanna know:o

Oh please please start a gossip forum, just for me:p


if you say you want to get out of the forums, just say so, and your wish will be granted.



I think I must have used the wrong door. :D I sort of ended up in the forum closet, not really outside. It's amazing what you hear when hiding in a closet. :D


I think I must have used the wrong door. :D I sort of ended up in the forum closet, not really outside. It's amazing what you hear when hiding in a closet. :D

He He :) There's a name for that :D


It's amazing what you hear when hiding in a closet. :D

Natasha Ryan breathing?

P
:cool: :cool: :cool:


I think I must have used the wrong door. :D I sort of ended up in the forum closet, not really outside. It's amazing what you hear when hiding in a closet. :D


I thought this was the age when you're suppose to come out of the closet.

About time this thread got hijacked

R.I.P.

but it should die a natural death, and not be closed because someone just thinks its run its course

If this was a TV episode it would have (R) next to it in the TV guide.


If this was a TV episode it would have (R) next to it in the TV guide.

Like a pirate?

Al http://www.ubeaut.biz/captain.gif

Yes my hearrrrty.

That was another day and another thread me thinks.

I just keep in my what Journeyman Mick says when you get peeved with something on here. Just not worth it. Had my own episode a couple of weeks back so I just stopped posting as all I was doing was getting worked up over crap that means very little in the grand scheme of things.


in the grand scheme of things.

which Is ?

[Auld Bassoon]

For what it's worth, I am wholly in support of Neil and his team of moderators.

There are house rules that apply, and I for one am quite happy to abide by them. This isn't a democracy, rather more like a benevolent dictatorship, with Neil as the benevolent one. He and his business does, after all, provide this terrific forum for us without charge.

Look around the other forums on the 'net; this is definitely one of the, and quite possibly the best.

Let's keep it that way.

[ozwinner]

After talking with the Administration, the ban on Doug is now permanent.

And just so there is no confussion Ele__13 has aslo been banned.

As was pointed out 2 years ago by , if you say you want to get out of the forums, just say so, and your wish will be granted.

Al :)

[craigb]

Found this in the archives.

http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=17392

[ubeaut]

Followup to Shaun's post

There are a couple of interesting points in this post:
1. It reads like you are a little fearful of complaining, and that I believe that is going to be an increasing issue around here. Why would that be an issue. Only by complaining or letting your feelings be known can change for the better come about This forum needs moderation,You're dead right there, it certainly does but if it goes to far then we will all either tow the company line What company line. There is no company line. If you find one point it out to me cause it ain't mine. or be forced to leave. No one has ever been forced to leave. The odd trouble making rat bag may be banned but that is a very, very, very last resort. This is quite a friendly and definately a helpful resource Thats 2 things you have got right. It would be a shame to see it change to a powerplay. There is no power play, just a long over due enforcing of forum rules.

2. Yes, this forum is a business tool WHAT ROT. It is used as traffic generation to ubeaut.com.au, What? The 1 link hidden at the bottom of the pageadvertising for ubeaut SHOW ME AN ADD FOR U-BEAUT and increasingly revenue via advertising. So what! Would you prefer to have a free site or pay a yearly subscription. There are a lot more ads now than when I first came on board, You have been here for 14mth and in that time there has actually been a decrease in adds on these forums and I imagine they pull in more than a full time wage for the board owners. Where did you get this fantasy from - these forums cost around $20,000 a year to run do you actually think I am making that much. If so go start your own forum fill it with adds and go retire. I sure as hell can't

Every post by volunteers is leveraged to income to ubeaut. RUBBISH This is fair as they have hosting costs that makes three things you've got right and a business to run WE MAKE POLISH - I can make more money from one sale of polish than these forums could generate in 3 years, but I would hate to see all the work by members around here manipulated so that the only appropriate use of the forum is helping ubeaut at the expense of members. I'm really lost for words here. I'm sorry but this would have to be without a doubt, the greatest load of absolute twaddle I have ever read on these forums.

There is a fantastic community here That's the forth thing you've got right. I hope that the admins and membership can work out a way to keep everything going happily while remaining within reasonable boundaries. As far as I can see everything is already going happily and none of our already reasonable boundaries have changed.

shaun Neil :)
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[ss_11000]

well sed neil.....

[Driver]

Neil

Goodonya for defending yourself! Keep it up - more power to your elbow.

My two-bobs' worth: This website is a marvellous mixture of expert knowledge, sensible practical advice, dumb@rsed opinion, brilliant dead-pan humour and Aussie mateship and irreverence (that's a small selective list, by the way. A comprehensive description of the contents of these forums would run to several pages).

If youngsters interested in woodwork want to join up and contribute, we should welcome them. The one or two who have already done so seem to fit in pretty well. Young Stirlo is a great example.

If teachers want to suggest to their students that this is a good resource for them to use, we should encourage that, too.

I don't think we need to change anything. We certainly don't want to lose the BB's unique flavour by crude censorship or bowdlerization. If the moderators continue to keep a watchful eye in the way they have for the time I've been on board, I reckon this website will survive and prosper.

Col

[dazzler]

Neil

Goodonya for defending yourself! Keep it up - more power to your elbow.

My two-bobs' worth: This website is a marvellous mixture of expert knowledge, sensible practical advice, dumb@rsed opinion, brilliant dead-pan humour and Aussie mateship and irreverence (that's a small selective list, by the way. A comprehensive description of the contents of these forums would run to several pages).

If youngsters interested in woodwork want to join up and contribute, we should welcome them. The one or two who have already done so seem to fit in pretty well. Young Stirlo is a great example.

If teachers want to suggest to their students that this is a good resource for them to use, we should encourage that, too.

I don't think we need to change anything. We certainly don't want to lose the BB's unique flavour by crude censorship or bowdlerization. If the moderators continue to keep a watchful eye in the way they have for the time I've been on board, I reckon this website will survive and prosper.

Col

See - even Driver makes a reasoned arguement occasionally :p :p ;)

[ss_11000]

(R) stands for repeat in the tv guide ( at least the one i get )

[craigb]

Well I wasn't going to get involved in this thread but then I realised that strewth, I already had. :eek: :o

All I can say is that if Neil (or one of his minions :p ) sent me a pm saying "Craig, your Kookaburra avatar is offensive to a lot of forum members and I'd appreciate it if you'd change it."

Well, then I'd change it to something less controversial (although I'm not sure what could be less controversial than a Kooka).

We should all always remember that we are all merely guests in Neil's house.

I realise that sounds like I'm crawling but I'm not.

After all, it's not like I'm a moderator or anything. :p :p :D

[Sturdee]

If youngsters interested in woodwork want to join up and contribute, we should welcome them.
Col


Hear Hear.

Peter,

BTW Col, is there something in your Code of encouraging the upcoming generation of woodworkers and something about cautioning blokes about biting the hand that feeds them?

[bitingmidge]

Can you guys please play by the rules like Neil says ! Once a thread is successfully hijacked, you are forbidden to put it back on the rails again. :cool:

:D :D

Fair call Gumby

here goes ......


R I P this thread:)



I just keep in my what Journeyman Mick says when you get peeved with something on here. Just not worth it. Had my own episode a couple of weeks back so I just stopped posting as all I was doing was getting worked up over crap that means very little in the grand scheme of things.

Well said boban:) If everyone took that stand this thread wouldnt even be disscusion point


which Is ?

Well I know its not about getting home from work and looking to argue with people. Too much crap in my working life for that.

As for the grand scheme, each to his own I think. Lets just say that my perception revolves around being a decent person.


(although I'm not sure what could be less controversial than a Kooka).
How about a midge that looks more like a mosquito?

P
:D :D :D


After talking with the Administration, the ban on Doug is now permanent.

And just so there is no confussion Ele__13 has aslo been banned.



Is there something I've missed, but isn't this like 'sins of the father'? Just a thought. Happy to be corrected.


Is there something I've missed, but isn't this like 'sins of the father'? Just a thought. Happy to be corrected.

No, fair call I reckon.


Is there something I've missed, but isn't this like 'sins of the father'? Just a thought. Happy to be corrected.

You might have missed this one.

http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=34203


How about a midge that looks more like a mosquito?

P
:D :D :D

Squashed mosquito anyway.

Sorry Peter. :o
What is it with your avatar anyway? I remember when it used to almost dance around below your screen name. :confused:


Squashed mosquito anyway.

Sorry Peter. :o
What is it with your avatar anyway? I remember when it used to almost dance around below your screen name. :confused:

I don't think this is the right thread to be talking about avatars. :)


You might have missed this one.

http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=34203

Yes, but to get banned for that seems a bit ott to me.


I don't think this is the right thread to be talking about avatars. :)

Awww geez. I'm not gunna get banned am I?

I think there was more to it but as they have said, ask and you shall receive.



Awww geez. I'm not gunna get banned am I?

It depends, what is the Kooka doing ? Looks a bit sus to me.

I guess it may be academic then but people seem to say stuff like that all the time and return to post another day.

Even Two-Words has picked up and left now. Or has he?




Even Two-Words has picked up and left now. Or has he?

still here :)

Good to see you back, even if some thought you hadn't really left Gumby.

Doug did have some good contributions but that avatar did wear pretty thin after awhile and had started to look purile to the point that I am glad to see it gone. But perhaps that's because I'm the one male in an almost all female work force and saw it as condescending and demeaning towards those around me.

John

I was expecting something more like

"sanctimonious crap"

from Two Words


I was expecting something more like

"sanctimonious crap"

from Two Words

me too :cool: he's such a disappointment that guy

[craigb]

That was an almost surreal post Pete.

Thnaks :)

[boban]

How's the dust extraction going Pete?