High blood pressure

[ozwinner]

Welcome back viewer.

I went to the Doc's today as I felt my heart was pounding away a litle too much all the time.
Ive had a stress filled coupla months, so I thought Id better see about it.

I had a pressure test and the Doc said its a little high but nothing to worry about.

She then prescribed some pills to take.
When I got them home and read the leaflet that came with them I decided no way HoseB.

Here are the side effects of taking the drugs.......:eek:

I know, give me a lecture.:o

Almost forgot, The packet says take in the morning, and may affect, ability to drive, coordination, mental alertness. :eek:
All the things I need to function as a brickie.

Al :p

[Tikki]

You won't even notice your heart pounding with all those symptoms :D

[Auld Bassoon]

Hi Al,

Personally, I prefer a nice glass of red (or of a decent single malt) to calm myself down.:rolleyes:

Where I work, stress isn't an option, it's a condition of employment :eek:

Try the meds anyway, mate - you might be in the 90% unaffected...;)

[ozwinner]

Well since Ive been to the Docs and found out its nothing serious Ive been fine, I knew I was, but I just wanted reassurence I suppose. :)

What a sooky lala........http://www.ubeaut.biz/baby.gif .


Al :D

[Cliff Rogers]

Al, ditch the pills... if it's not serious, you can fix it with your head.

[ozwinner]

Al, ditch the pills... if it's not serious, you can fix it with your head.

Cliff the pills went in the bin 1 hour ago. http://www.ubeaut.biz/bonk.gif

Al :p :D

[ozwinner]

Owwhmmmmmm.
http://images.google.com.au/url?q=http://visionbali.com/handycratfs/images/025-budha-crocodilewood.jpg

Al

[JDarvall]

Welcome back viewer.

I went to the Doc's today as I felt my heart was pounding away a litle too much all the time.



You shore it just wasn't the sheilla docter. Always been a fantasy of mine....

[ozwinner]

You shore it just wasn't the sheilla docter. Always been a fantasy of mine....

Down boy, down.
Hmmm sure as I can be, she is my age and dresses like a rousy.

Al :p

[Ikkyu]

Owwhmmmmmm
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e347/Ikkyu_yoka_ryu/Fudo_bw503.jpg
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e347/Ikkyu_yoka_ryu/Fudo_bw503.jpg)

[HJ0]

Long or possibly short term side effect/s after not taking them pills. when prescribed and adviced by a doctor.

Death: Just not sure when lol

Who listenings to Dr's they just higly trained professionals, what would they know.

Next time go see willy wonker, he will give you a free ride on his chocolate bar without the cost of a precription or sugar pills.:eek:


HJ0

[Cliff Rogers]

Ikkyu, is that the patron saint of road rage???? :D


HJO.... Isn't blind faith a wonderful thing?
If that is what you believe, you stick to it. ;)

Al, I like your 'peaceful' statue. :p

[Blocklayer]

Hey Al
FFS mate
The best cure for high blood pressure and stress is an aeroplane ride.
Preferably for a long visit, and to somewhere in Asia.
Hanoi is a good choice.
Once you get there, the only stress you'l get, is having to go back home.

[Daddles]

Once you get there, the only stress you'l get, is having to go back home.

Doesn't that depend on what you pack in your bag?:confused:

Richard

[Christopha]

Al,, you big girly handbag, DON'T listen to some half wit who tells you can fix high blood pressure in your head, he obviously has some vital components missing in his! If you are wary of taking whatever medication the Doctor has prescribed then go and talk to your Pharmacist as they knoiw even more about the actual drugs usually than the Doctor. Drugs and their effects and interactions are what the Pharmacist is all about. To throw them in the bin because of the silly list which has every possible symptom that has been reported as MAY E being associated with that particular drug is irresponsible and possibly dangerous to your health.
Al, talk to the Chemist and then take your meddy like a big boy!

[doug the slug]

my wife died about a month after she decided, without consulting her doctor, not to take the blood pressure pills. http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon4.gif http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon4.gif http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon4.gif

enough said.

[echnidna]

Al,, you big girly handbag, DON'T listen to some half wit who tells you can fix high blood pressure in your head, he obviously has some vital components missing in his! If you are wary of taking whatever medication the Doctor has prescribed then go and talk to your Pharmacist as they knoiw even more about the actual drugs usually than the Doctor. Drugs and their effects and interactions are what the Pharmacist is all about. To throw them in the bin because of the silly list which has every possible symptom that has been reported as MAY E being associated with that particular drug is irresponsible and possibly dangerous to your health.
Al, talk to the Chemist and then take your meddy like a big boy!

Thats right on the mark Al,
Its not mind over matter.

If your bp's even just a bit high you run the risk of stroke or heart attack etc. Heart attack might or might not kill you.
A stroke can leave you paralyzed and incapacitated.

Take yer pills,
if they cause problems go back to quack and change to different pills.

The only way you might safely avoid pills is to totally change your lifestyle and especially your diet and what you eat and drink and browse on.

[Phil Spencer]

Thats right on the mark Al,
Its not mind over matter.

If your bp's even just a bit high you run the risk of stroke or heart attack etc. Heart attack might or might not kill you.
A stroke can leave you paralyzed and incapacitated.

Take yer pills,
if they cause problems go back to quack and change to different pills.

The only way you might safely avoid pills is to totally change your lifestyle and especially your diet and what you eat and drink and browse on.

Bob's right Al take your tablets. I have had two cardio vascular incidents and have high blood pressure I take my tablets wouldn't be here if I didn't. Don't be a BLOODY IDIOT.

Regards

Phil

[ozwinner]

Like I said boys and girls, it is only ever so slightly high, not a bit, just slightly.

I think the Doc was trying to be seen to do the right thing.

The other thing that #### me about the pills is the little red sticker on the box that states........this medicine may affect mental alertness adn/or co-ordination, do not drive or operate machinery.

Dont drive, hmm how do I get to work.
Affects co-ordination, sort of defeats me going to work as its all co-ordination in bricklaying.

If I drop off the perch its been nice knowing you all....

Al :)

[ele__13]

Bloody hell al I'll reach through the computer and swat u for being STUPID get them out of the bin and bloody well take them we want you around for a hell of a long time to come there is only one OZWINNER and he cant be replaced .... we have been to 2 many bloody funerals this year and i dodnt wanna have to fly home to melbourne in the middle of bloody winter to come to yours ... Please just humour us... cheers Jules

[ozwinner]

Ok I just took one.

Al :)

[ele__13]

Good just remeber to do it Take ur tablet that is !!! tomorrow and the next day and the next day :) jules

[Cliff Rogers]

Ok I just took one.

Al :)

It's a scam Al. :rolleyes: Doctors & Pharmacists & Drug companies are all in it up to there collective ears.

[doug the slug]

Al, if the pills you are on have side effects that make your life difficult, see your doctor about changing to another type. there are heaps of different pills out there that lower teh blood pressure, with different side effects. i had to change mine once because of an undesireable side effect, and the ones i take now do nothing but control my blood pressure.

Cliff, for a lot of modern medicine you are probably right but blood pressure tablets do lower blood pressure and my wife would probably be alive today if she had taken hers.

[ozwinner]

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Ah :)

[Ikkyu]

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Ah :)


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[ozwinner]

Yep um gine, uts geest the mefisation jickiong in.

Aj :(

[Ikkyu]

Yep um gine, uts geest the mefisation jickiong in.

Aj :(

:eek:

[Tikki]

Yep um gine, uts geest the mefisation jickiong in.

Aj :(

Co-ordination's looking good, but is the blood pressure down? :D :D

Cheers
Tikki :)

[ozwinner]

Right as rain Judy.
Like was said earlier, its all in ya head.
Ive stopped worrying about the un-worryable and its feels good.
I need to get a grip :rolleyes: , on things that really matter.

Sorry guys, but I wouldnt take this medication crap if you paid me.....

Al :)

[ele__13]

your body your life your problem

[Tikki]

Right as rain Judy.
Like was said earlier, its all in ya head.
Ive stopped worrying about the un-worryable and its feels good.
I need to get a grip :rolleyes: , on things that really matter.

Sorry guys, but I wouldnt take this medication crap if you paid me.....

Al :)

Onya Al! ;) Doc suggested to me the other day I take a well known over the counter pain killer for an injury that's giving me a lot of grief. Was prescribed the same stuff years ago and when I read the side effects it went straight in the trash can ... wasn't having my kidneys screwed up! So Doc got told in no uncertain terms where he could put his suggested medication! :eek: :D

Keep on smilin' Al ;)

Cheers
Tikki :)

[Christopha]

Right as rain Judy.
Like was said earlier, its all in ya head.
Ive stopped worrying about the un-worryable and its feels good.
I need to get a grip :rolleyes: , on things that really matter.

Sorry guys, but I wouldnt take this medication crap if you paid me.....

Al :)

Big girls blouse.... you gonna die Al! :p

[himzol]

Ive stopped worrying about the un-worryable and its feels good.
I need to get a grip , on things that really matter.


Good move,

What people forget is that the guy that just scrapes through in Medical school is still called - Doctor.:eek:

If you can lower your BP by a change in lifestyle, and possibly diet then that is better than simply popping a pill.

so again, good move.

Himzo.

[E. maculata]

Yeah Al, you're special, just the same as all those before you who said " bluddy Ducturs wadda they nose" knew too (It sux don't it, both my Grandads did it and my old next door neighbour, all died as a result, far too early IMHO, interestingly enough all dyed in the wool tradies too).
You once gave us advice to mix dishwashing detergent in our mortar mix, side effects could have been disgusting, but I used it anyway, and the brick wall stands to this day, why?...........because I took the advice of a professional who did his time and specailises in this field:rolleyes: .

[ozwinner]

Big girls blouse.... you gonna die Al! :p

Mate, we all die one day, its the way the world gets rid of the scum..

Al :p

[ozwinner]

.......because I took the advice of a professional who did his time and specailises in this field:rolleyes: .

But I know what Im talking about, and Im not being sponsered by a detergent company, unlike our Doctor friends.

Al :p

[E. maculata]

But I know what Im talking about, and Im not being sponsered by a detergent company, unlike our Doctor friends.

Al :p

This message was proudly brought to you by palmolife, "you know Al's soaking in it".

[johnc]

Right as rain Judy.
Like was said earlier, its all in ya head.
Ive stopped worrying about the un-worryable and its feels good.
I need to get a grip :rolleyes: , on things that really matter.

Sorry guys, but I wouldnt take this medication crap if you paid me.....

Al :)

Al,

I'm not sure what you are getting a grip on there, but leaving that alone it is in your head a bit. Mind you there is a lot more room in some heads than others when it comes to these things.

I controlled mine for close to 20 years with diet, exercise, and the right attitude seemed to help. In the end it got the better of me but the pills are better than the stroke or heart attack. You've got to weigh up which comes first the killer side effects, or the killer stroke, I've opted for the side effects.

I'd give the lifestyle a shot first but get yourself checked often enough to find out if it's working or not. But in the end its your funeral:cool:, although it doesn't sound as if your levels are anything to get to steamed up about just yet.

John.

[HJ0]

You won't get any pudding if you don't take your tablets.;)



HJ0 Pill a day keeps the rotten apples away:D

[echnidna]

Al,

I'm not sure what you are getting a grip on there, but leaving that alone it is in your head a bit. Mind you there is a lot more room in some heads than others when it comes to these things.

I controlled mine for close to 20 years with diet, exercise, and the right attitude seemed to help. In the end it got the better of me but the pills are better than the stroke or heart attack. You've got to weigh up which comes first the killer side effects, or the killer stroke, I've opted for the side effects.

I'd give the lifestyle a shot first but get yourself checked often enough to find out if it's working or not. But in the end its your funeral:cool:, although it doesn't sound as if your levels are anything to get to steamed up about just yet.

John.

"But in the end its your funeral"

or your wheelchair or hospice bed

[Cliff Rogers]

I reckon we spent about 3.8million years evolving to where we are now.

We only got 90% of the crap chemicals in the last 40 or 50 years.

If you need the crap chemicals to stay alive, please don't bother breeding. :cool:

[Daddles]

If you need the crap chemicals to stay alive, please don't bother breeding. :cool:

Okay Cliff, I'll stop now. I'm sure Al will too :rolleyes:

Richard

[Christopha]

I reckon we spent about 3.8million years evolving to where we are now.

We only got 90% of the crap chemicals in the last 40 or 50 years.

If you need the crap chemicals to stay alive, please don't bother breeding. :cool:

Well I guess we won't have to worry about you dirtying up our gene pool for too long.... but please can you stop pisssing in it!

[Cliff Rogers]

..... but please can you stop pisssing in it!

Why? Does it upset your chemical balance??? :D :D :D :D

[Chesand]

I have been following this discussion with some interest. As a pharmacist may I venture some information.
The side effects listed on medication sheets are there because at some stage someone has experienced them. It may have only been one person who suffered the effect in testing but the drug companies list them all to protect their backsides- it does not mean that all people are going to suffer any or all of the side effects.
If we all read everything about any drug we would probably never take anything - it really is a case of the potential benefit over-riding possible side effects
If anyone is bothered by any side effect they should return to Dr and discuss it. Unfortunately with blood pressure medication it is often necessary to try 2 or 3 different drugs before finding one that really suits a particular person.
Lifestyle will certainly help (watching weight and diet, regular exercise etc) but often it is necessary to resort to medication for long-time control thus hopefully preventing strokes, heart attacks etc.
Hope that helps

[Cliff Rogers]

....Lifestyle will certainly help (watching weight and diet, regular exercise etc) ....

It is a pity that Al's doc didn't prescribe that first instead of going straight to drugs. :mad:

[Ashore]

Sorry guys, but I wouldnt take this medication crap if you paid me.....

Al :)
Its not the killer heart attack or stroke that's the worry it's the one that leaves you alive and needing someone to wipe your drool away for the next 5 or 10 years. :eek:
At least see another Dr for another opinion.

[ozwinner]

Me again, yep Im still breathing.

Here is the latest.
I told my brickie partner about the visit to the Doctors, and the list of side affects.
He is 22 years old.

I mainly had worrys about what to do with him in regards to our working relationship, he was bugging me so much I was going to end the partnership even though he is a top bloke and a bloody hard worker.

Lately he has been goofing off and leaving all the hard work to me, repetedly I have had to tell to watch his quality, if the quality slips we have to redo the work.

Time and time I told him, last week Id had enough of him being "spaced" out.
He would come to work, but he wasnt there if you know what I mean?

Today at smoko I showed him the list of side affects that are possible from the tablets.
So hes sitting there reading them, then he started saying, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.

What are you saying yep too said I?

Then he tells me he has been taking the same tablets for the last year.
The only side affect he didnt suffer was the dioreah (sp, I know its wrong)
He would hear me and not know what I said, he thought he was laying the bricks alright.

He then said he stopped taking them last tuesday because he had "lost" time when he was on them.

So its seems I was right in not taking the pills for a minor increase in blood preasure.
Since he told me why he was, but wasnt there, all my worrys have gone.


Cheers, Al :)

[echnidna]

Al, most blood pressure pills don't make yer dopey etc.
Tell yer idiot quack the crap she give ya is useless for a tradey.

[Cliff Rogers]

22 & on BP drugs? :eek:

We are cranky 'cos the bloody doc wants to put Gina's 85 YO Grandmother on BP drugs....
She is 'as fit as' & the only reason her BP shows up as above normal is 'cos she is sheyet scared of the doctor.

[echnidna]

22 & on BP drugs? :eek:

We are cranky 'cos the bloody doc wants to put Gina's 85 YO Grandmother on BP drugs....
She is 'as fit as' & the only reason her BP shows up as above normal is 'cos she is sheyet scared of the doctor.

Doctor Cliff, I presume.

Have you tested her BP when the quacks not around?

Testing kits aren't expensive.

[Cliff Rogers]

I've had a computerised one for about 10years. ;) :D

[doug the slug]

Al you are 51, not 22, its not a fair comparison.but think about it, you work with this bloke and you didnt even know he was on the medication. i bet a lot more of your friends than you think are on blood pressure medication or some other medication, and you just didnt know it, particularly friends around our age and older. take the pill and see if you get the side effects, if so tell the doc and get a different kind, repeat as necessary.

Dont be a dill, take the pill

so what medication is everyone on? I take avapro and lipitor. lets all come clean and show Al he is in good company;) ;)

[ozwinner]

22 & on BP drugs? :eek:

.

I know, sad isnt it?

I have avoided drugs all my life like the plauge, but when Im sick I reluctently take them.

The Doc who examined me didnt even ask what I did for a living, diet, life style, smoke, drink etc.
So I was a bit suprised when she wrote a script out so quickly, I was in the room no more that 5 minutes tops, what a joke..

Al :(

[Cliff Rogers]

...you work with this bloke and you didnt even know he was on the medication. ...

Nope, but, & I quote...
"he was bugging me so much I was going to end the partnership" :cool:

[ozwinner]

Dont be a dill, take the pill



Now you sound as silly as my Quack.

Pere pressure want make me take a pill.
I have a mind of my own and use it. :)

Al :confused:

[doug the slug]

22 & on BP drugs? :eek:

Well he does work with Al :D :D

[Cliff Rogers]

...The Doc who examined me didnt even ask what I did for a living, diet, life style, smoke, drink etc....

What about your height/weight ratio?

[Cliff Rogers]

Well he does work with Al :D :D

Sounds like he wasn't going to be for much longer if he kept taking them. :p

[ozwinner]

What about your height/weight ratio?

No nothing, cuff on, inflate, release, write script.

Ow, sorry I forgot the $50 that changed hands in 5 minutes.

Al :eek:

[Cliff Rogers]

There is a new mean for the term 'retail therapy' ;)

[ozwinner]

I lead a very heathy life style, dont smoke, but do drink red wine.
Dont eat junk food, but have a moment of weakness from time to time.
Have a very energetic job ( bricklaying)
Dont eat lollys, sweets, chocolate etc.
I am not over weight, in fact I find it hard to put on weight.

Have a home made sandwich for lunch everyday with a banana ( when I can afford them :p ) and 2 apples.

Drink maybe 5 cups of coffee a day.


Al :)

[Cliff Rogers]

A-oh! That'll be the problem... too much coffee. :D

[DavidG]

ozwinner
Sorry mate but good bye.:(

Cliff.
You are #$# dangerous.:mad:

[ozwinner]

I think its funny how all of you have made a diagnosis to my "problem" without even seeing me.

I cant even recall what the reading was for the BP test, but it was only just slightly above "normal"..

Are you all Doctors?, if not, you should be, as you have given me more time than the Quack I saw on monday.
The cheques in the mail.....:D

Al :p

[ozwinner]

ozwinner
Sorry mate but good bye.:(



Why, where are you going? :confused:

[Cliff Rogers]

...Cliff.
You are #$# dangerous....

Dangerous is my nick name. ;) :D

[ozwinner]

I am absolutley amazed at how easy it is to get most of you to pop a pill, just because a "Doctor" told you to take it, no questions asked.

Al :confused: :eek:

[Driver]

ozwinner
Sorry mate but good bye.:(


Congratulations, David. That's the silliest thing I've read this year.

How on earth can you make any kind of judgement on Al's life expectancy based on what he has posted here!

[echnidna]

Al theres a few of us who wouldn't be here to harass you,
if it wasn't for the pills.
:D :D

I'll lay odds that's where the concern comes from, :)

we don wanna hafta break in a new mod. :p :p

[Christopha]

Al, if you wasn't so gawd damned flamin' UGLY the quack would probably have taken a bit longer about it. He was probably just concerned for the contents of his own stomach!

[Daddles]

The secret's out Al. The doc was trying to get rid of you ;)

Richard
who is a good boy and does what his doctor says ... but I can see Al's point too, I just ask a lot of silly questions while in the surgery :D

[ozwinner]

I had another BP reading tonight with another health care proffesional.

150/80 was the out come.

Al :)

[johnc]

the 80 is fine Al, but the 150 is a bit high. I hit the pills at 180/110 which is to high. The lower reading is the most important, looks like you might have to stop stiring the pot for a while. Have you thought about yoga? I'm told if you can get really flexible and bend over far enough the things you can manage are quite mind blowing. Mind you there is meditation, relaxing music, those wanky tapes telling you to be calm.

For me it's stuff it, take a pill and go to the shed.:p

John

[ozwinner]

those wanky tapes telling you to be carm.

Like ACADACA?

Al :D

[johnc]

Like ACADACA?

Al :D

:confused: You've lost me there Al, but I just noticed the typo with a calm "carm"

John

[ozwinner]

Calming music like ac/dc...

Al :p

[HJ0]

Tick Tick Tick


HJ0

[johnc]

Calming music like ac/dc...

Al :p

Whatever rocks yer boat Al:cool: . Slade, Deep Purple or Meat Loaf work for me, or is that why mine shot up:eek: (the BP that is)

John