Continuation of SLR / Steyr discussion from Triton Board

[Shedhand]

"the L1A1 SLR"

Geez, that took me back a few years... :o

[spartan]

---well it was the first power tool I was taught to use....then they went and upgraded it to a plastic replacement....

[Stuart]

---well it was the first power tool I was taught to use....then they went and upgraded it to a plastic replacement....

True, but I've a soft spot for the Steyr - good engineering design, easy field stripping. Would have preferred accuracy beyond 300m, but that would have made it an unwieldy length.

[doug the slug]

True, but I've a soft spot for the Steyr - good engineering design, easy field stripping. Would have preferred accuracy beyond 300m, but that would have made it an unwieldy length.

Steyr - plastic rifle with tupperware lifetime guarantee. and its only 5.56mm. if someone hits you with a 7.62mm round nobody has to tell you to lie down:D :D :D

[spartan]

Steyr - plastic rifle with tupperware lifetime guarantee. and its only 5.56mm. if someone hits you with a 7.62mm round nobody has to tell you to lie down:D :D :D

Even more off topic....

Having made fun of the plastic fantastic, its is not that bad.....Just before I left the Army, I had the pleasure of serving with SFOR in Bosnia, working in a small town with a team of Royal Marines - all scotsmen - at anyrate other than the senior corporals and SNCO on the team the younger marines had never put a full magazine through the SA80 without a stoppage (misfeed, or gas stoppage). I found this amazing until I picked it up and it rattled....

The brits did have the advantage of having no stocking of F1 5.56mm ammunition left over from M16s like we did. They were able to go straight to SS109 ammunition - which has the same ballistic impact at ranges up to 300m.

[doug the slug]

Even more off topic....

Having made fun of the plastic fantastic, its is not that bad.....Just before I left the Army, I had the pleasure of serving with SFOR in Bosnia, working in a small town with a team of Royal Marines - all scotsmen - at anyrate other than the senior corporals and SNCO on the team the younger marines had never put a full magazine through the SA80 without a stoppage (misfeed, or gas stoppage). I found this amazing until I picked it up and it rattled....

The brits did have the advantage of having no stocking of F1 5.56mm ammunition left over from M16s like we did. They were able to go straight to SS109 ammunition - which has the same ballistic impact at ranges up to 300m.

yeah, i get what you are saying about the different ammo, but i got out just after the steyr was introduced and never did get to fire it with the new ammo. this may have influenced my opinion of the steyr, even though i qualified as a marksman on it as i did with the SLR before it and the GPMG M60, 9mm browning and M-16. despite what stuart said earlier, i found you could get reasonably acceptable accuracy out of the steyr out to about 500m even with the old ammo but still somehow i preferred the old SLR. anyway if the enemy get closer than 500m its time to put in a leave application:D :D :D :D

[black1]

"the L1A1 SLR"

Geez, that took me back a few years... :o

it thought it was a M1A1 SLR:cool:
only ever fired ten round through one in recruit school for the navy. didnt want to be a mullet!!!!:cool:

[spartan]

Nope most certainly it is the L1A1.;)

A point of curious note is that most of the 'M' weapons that have been used in Australia are of American origin, for example

M4, M16, M60.

Whilst European (British dervived, in the case of the SLR FN FAL) are Ls...

Such as the L1A1 or the L7 (wooden stock version of the Mag 58).


Finally, if you have the F series (everything is F1 this)....

But most notably the F88 Austeryr (different to the kiwi and Austrian version) and the F89 Minimi!

[Stuart]

yeah, i get what you are saying about the different ammo, but i got out just after the steyr was introduced and never did get to fire it with the new ammo. this may have influenced my opinion of the steyr, even though i qualified as a marksman on it as i did with the SLR before it and the GPMG M60, 9mm browning and M-16. despite what stuart said earlier, i found you could get reasonably acceptable accuracy out of the steyr out to about 500m even with the old ammo but still somehow i preferred the old SLR. anyway if the enemy get closer than 500m its time to put in a leave application:D :D :D :D

Granted all that, but remember I was using it in ship-borne situations, with only occasional need for shore ops.

[Stuart]

Sorry - decided it was better to move it here, as there are a number of military / ex-military type who are enjoying the discussion, so rather than kill it (sic), better discussed here in a non-woodworking forum.

[havenoideaatall]

I first used the L1A1 (SLR) or FN FAL 7.62mm at the age of 17.

Great weapon, some still swear by it. Bit long to be honest at what 1143mm..(?)

I then used the SA80 from the age of 18. Hated it, but it was good for carrying around and on the range...

The Brits should have gone for the Armalite. I hear the SA80 '2' is a much better weapon. The worst thing was the stoppage caused by a mag change on the Light Support Weapon - an SA80 with a long barrel and bi-ped.

Have

[Termite]

it thought it was a M1A1 SLR:cool:
only ever fired ten round through one in recruit school for the navy. didnt want to be a mullet!!!!:cool:
I'ts a bit hard to throw an M1A1 over your shoulder, they weigh about 70 ton, yes old ton. An M1A1 is an Abrahms Tank.:D

[Shedhand]

I'ts a bit hard to throw an M1A1 over your shoulder, they weigh about 70 ton, yes old ton. An M1A1 is an Abrahms Tank.:DS'ok Termite. Black1 is a bit confused. A sandgroper supporting croweaters... :rolleyes:

[Termite]

S'ok Termite. Black1 is a bit confused. A sandgroper supporting croweaters... :rolleyes:
That'll do it to you every time. :D

[havenoideaatall]

On the other hand, a MA-1 is a nylon synthetic flying jacket.:D

[Stuart]

I'ts a bit hard to throw an M1A1 over your shoulder, they weigh about 70 ton, yes old ton. An M1A1 is an Abrahms Tank.:D

True....but it's got a gas turbine for an engine - how cool is that!

[black1]

S'ok Termite. Black1 is a bit confused. A sandgroper supporting croweaters... :rolleyes:

actually a croweater in exile in the west:cool: :cool:
and a strong one at that. 70 ton no worrys mate.

[Termite]

actually a croweater in exile in the west:cool: :cool:
and a strong one at that. 70 ton no worrys mate.
Great, well throw your M1A1 over your shoulder and go and visit Zed, he's having trouble with a possum. :D

[Dan_574]

spent 4 years using the steyr, I found it great, only ever carried the slr with blanks, I tell you what, you can have it. Big bloody thing it was. I think it was mentioned earlier but the SS109 has the same punch as the 7.62, it has tungsten rod in the head that causes it to tumble and stay in the body effectively turning it into mush or so was told by an NCO at singleton. We used it out to 600m, never had any troubles with it in training. we should have gone with the m16a2 when we changed over.

[Shedhand]

actually a croweater in exile in the west:cool: :cool:
and a strong one at that. 70 ton no worrys mate.I bet you barrack silently at Subi... lol.... Must be lonely (and dangerous) being the only crow tragic over there. :D
Cheers
go the HAWKS.

[Clinton1]

SS109 has the same punch as the 7.62, it has tungsten rod in the head that causes it to tumble and stay in the body effectively turning it into mush or so was told by an NCO at singleton

Yep, the round tumbles and breaks up, with the penetrator rod going one way and the jacket breaking up even further. You can get shot in the lower leg and the jacket will mush that part up and the penetrator ending up exiting somewhere weird like under your armpit. The penetrator seems to find the path of least resistance and often travels up arteries and veins, causing effective damage. The smaller and faster the round the more damage and shock it causes.
Another reason the 5.56 mm round was brought in (and yes the 7.62 had real knockdown power) is that the 5.56mm is less likely to exit and cause damage to anyone else. Handy for UN style peacemaking missions i.e. shoot the baddie using the marketplace crowd as a shield, and you don't want to kill the next two people behind them. That would equal a manslaughter charge, and generally be bad for business with the locals perception of you.
Also the Steyr is small and therefor good for urban ops and vehicle ops (actually the carbine version is more accurate as the rifling is most efficient over that barrel length) as well as jungle and close country fighting. A 7.62mm needs a longer barrel, so a longer weapon, therefor more unwieldly.
Lastly IMO (again :rolleyes: ) it is effective out to 600m, and thats too far away anyway. More, easily, accurate (funny term that) than using iron sights at 600m.

[womble]

I dunno, I still like my old three-oh, must be all the wood on it maybe?

Good for when you run out of ammo, you can use it as a club! Try that with plastic! ;)

[Termite]

Both the 5.56 and the 7.62 have their advantages/disadvantages. The velocity of the 5.56 has massive stopping power with less chance of collateral damage, but due to its velocity it is less effective in a bushy situation due to the fact that it can self destruct on impact with a very small shrub, where the lower velocity 7.62 will punch on through. Personally I wouldn't like to be on the receiving end of either, it's not pretty.:(

[Andy Mac]

I used to shoot the SLR in the RAAF back in the '80's. Always found the recoil hard to handle but I was a scrawny thing back then!:rolleyes:
Wasn't there an L2A1, or L2A2, a beefed up automatic version as well?
Cheers,

[doug the slug]

Wasn't here an L2A1, or L2A2, a beefed up automativ version as well.

Yeah there was, with folding bipod legs, and a heavy barrel, they made 30 round magasines for it and i think the sights were different too

[Exador]

Yeah there was, with folding bipod legs, and a heavy barrel, they made 30 round magasines for it and i think the sights were different too

It was called the AR and it had a barrel 5kg heavier than a SLR and a bit longer IIRC. It was a real bitch of a thing to carry at 15kg, especially trying to do fire and movement.

[Bluegum]

Stillthe L2A1 was a good weapon as it provided the section with a back up auto matic capability. It was normally issued to tail end charlie as his weapon of responsibility. Now with the F88 it gives more fire power though all members having automatic fire. Having experienced the use of all section weapons over the years the F88 does have its place. The m16m4 is now being issied to spec ops units as preference. I must admit though I like 7.62 as a section weapon in the form of the M60. Its stopping power is 2nd to none. With the F88 a 203 grenade launcher can be fitted as well to give a harder hitting force when in contact. My thoughts only and no I wouldn't like to be on the receiving end of either of them.

[havenoideaatall]

I used to shoot the SLR in the RAAF back in the '80's. Always found the recoil hard to handle but I was a scrawny thing back then!:rolleyes:
Wasn't there an L2A1, or L2A2, a beefed up automatic version as well?
Cheers,

Had to make sure the stock was the right size (length) too. Did the Aussie SLR have auto? British ones didn't, there were stories of people putting matchsticks in the sears to convert them temporarily.
Blokes in the Falklands were grabbing the Argy ones which were full auto.

[Termite]

Had to make sure the stock was the right size (length) too. Did the Aussie SLR have auto? British ones didn't, there were stories of people putting matchsticks in the sears to convert them temporarily.
Blokes in the Falklands were grabbing the Argy ones which were full auto.
Back in '63 we had auto and semi-auto, initially the infantry got the full auto, and us Artillery types got the semi-auto. If you saw what we did with a 105 you would understand why.:D

[black1]

I bet you barrack silently at Subi... lol.... Must be lonely (and dangerous) being the only crow tragic over there. :D
Cheers
go the HAWKS.

theres actually a crow supporters club over here! must be a lot of displaced croweaters over here lol :cool: :cool:

[Dan_574]

termite your right with the rounds in the bush, having the steyr on auto should fix that.

Didnt know that about the carbine being more accurate clinton, very interesting, there was talk of us getting them in 3RAR for parachuting, never did see it and only ever saw 1 minimi with a retractable stock, looked very mean indeed.