A message to Bat.

[Sturdee]

Thank you for the reddie you gave me as your gesture of appreciation for my post in the thread " Because I own them etc " a thread displaying a range of guns that only people that live in the alleged land of the free need in order to protect themselves :eek: .

If I recall correctly all I posted was " Please don't " I can't check this because our moderators also didn't like the thread and shoved it to the secret orange room. Have you given them a reddie too?

As such an innocuous post was offensive enough for you to give me, contrary to the guidelines, a reddie I looked closer at your track record.

Peter.

[dazzler]

Steady Sturdee,

Or we may end up having hidden "weapons of mass destruction"!;)

dazzler


Now off to the orange room:o

[Pat]

Peter, all you said was "Please DON'T:mad: Thank God we have gun controls and those kinds of weapons are not available here . . ." which is a fair comment.

I would disregard this poor excuse and remember that you have contributed greatly to forum for all the right reasons!

[Daddles]

Bat gave me a reddie to, only he didn't bother to give a reason. He's also fired off all sorts of responses posts that don't address anything except that the poster didn't agree with him. In other words, he's thrown a temper tantrum and kicked back at everyone who didn't agree. This is exactly the wrong sort of person to own any weapon, let alone the ones he displays so proudly.

People often say that guns don't kill people, people kill people. They are right, however, a gun in the hands of someone who reacts as BAT has done is very dangerous and justifies the gun laws that we currently have in this country. It's just another case of a few ruining things for the majority. Thank heavens he lives overseas.

Richard

[doug the slug]

.....a gun in the hands of someone who reacts as BAT has done is very dangerous and justifies the gun laws that we currently have in this country.........

agreed, anyone who could be as free with bullets as he seems to have been with reddies would be a danger to us all. well done Sturdee, Daddles and others for taking a stand on this.

[Sturdee]

Richard, he didn't give me a reason either.

Whilst I personally have a great abhorrence of guns being, without proper controls, freely available in the community I didn't think my original post was worthy of being raspberried.

My personal objection is because my elder brother, as a teenager, lost the sight in his left eye when he was shot in that eye with a hot candle wax pellet fired from a Luger by some kid playing with an abandoned one soon after WW2 in Holland. :mad:

Because of that stupid incident when weapons were freely available my brother has for the last 60 years lived with the problem of seeing only through his right eye.

I don't have a problem with guns being available for proper sport or recreational use but I strongly object to unfettered gun ownership. Let's not forget that the USA is the murder capital of the world because of their gun ownership.


Peter.

[doug the slug]

Got in with a pre emptive strike.
Now he only has one green left.

Al :D

I just checked and he's got 2 now, someone must be reloading his weapons for him. BTW Al, i softened him up for you an hour ago with a little crimson projectile, but now i guess all he can throw is little blue spitballs. they might be annoying but they cant do any damage hehehehe http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon10.gifhttp://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Tikki]

Hmmmm ... he fired me a reddie too with no comment! :rolleyes: Find all his other posts guys and disarm the mongrel ... that's 159 posts x ... reddies = :D :D :D

Cheers
Tikki :)

[Daddles]

Hmmmm ... he fired me a reddie too with no comment! :rolleyes: Find all his other posts guys and disarm the mongrel ... that's 159 posts x ... reddies = :D :D :D

Cheers
Tikki :)

What the hell did he give you a reddie for? Dammit. Even being associated with me isn't enough to warrant a reddie ... well, perhaps it is :rolleyes:

Richard

yes, I'm still here, strange as it might seem to some, stange as I might appear to some, but that's cool, the cat still loves me :D

[Auld Bassoon]

Hmmmm ... he fired me a reddie too with no comment! :rolleyes: Find all his other posts guys and disarm the mongrel ... that's 159 posts x ... reddies = :D :D :D

Cheers
Tikki :)

Done! :D

[Kev Y.]

Guys dont be too hard on him.. after all he does come from "over there".

He missed something:p :p

my secret message (http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=29499&page=2)

[ss_11000]

I just checked and he's got 2 now, someone must be reloading his weapons for him. http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon10.gifhttp://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon10.gif

hes got 5 now

[Cliff Rogers]

Me too, I was ignoring that thread but he can't hand out raspberries to our senior members just 'cos he doesn't like their opinion.

[Sturdee]

Rather than be a man and face up to criticism and either explain his actions or defend giving his reddie he has instead altered his signature line by adding the following :


Australia should be renamed: "New France", but we are all descended from British criminals, so we chose "Australia" instead.

No self respecting Australian shark would be caught eating a socialist. Too much fat and gristle on them, especially between the ears.



Not satisfied with individuals, now he is insulting our country as a whole. A bit rich seeing he comes from seppo land which claims to be the home of the braves and land of the free.

Our early settlers may have been convicts but you lot murdered most of the braves ( the original Indians ) and locked the rest up and starved them in reservations ( the first concentration camps in the world ) and a land where they are so free that they need that kind of weapons to protect themselves from their fellow country men. USA, the murder capital of the world.

FYI the early cotton plantations on which your country's wealth was built was originally worked by the same british convicts before they were sent here and when that supply eased up they were replaced by slaves.

Your constitution said " All men are created equal " . Yea right :( except if you were a black then you were a slave. :(

We may have had convicts, sentenced for a period of time for a crime committed, but we never had slavery. Something seppos always conveniently forget.:mad:


Peter.

[savage]

Me too, I was ignoring that thread but he can't hand out raspberries to our senior members just 'cos he doesn't like their opinion.

Hi All,
Been away for a while and just catching up on a few threads (lots) I've missed, anyway, I have not read the original thread but from what I've read in this one I have the gist of it. My point is I agree with you Cliff 100% but senior or not I don't these reddies should be flung here and there willie nillie, people who choose to give them out to any member should at least have the guts to give a reason as to why. May be this could be my first one!...Though I haven't checked for awhile...

[Groggy]

All this talk about reddies, why then is he showing a bunch of greens? Is this another case of unintended greens being fired?

Edit: Disregard the above. I've just read that has waved his magic wand.

[Tikki]

All this talk about reddies, why then is he showing a bunch of greens? Is this another case of unintended greens being fired?

Groggy, the answer is in 's thread in the orange room

Cheers
Tikki :)

[Lignum]

Groggy, the answer is in 's thread in the orange room

Cheers
Tikki :)

Apart from Robbos answer, because of sturdees spray i checked out Bats previous stuff and absolutly loved some of the pics of his work, and one in particular i realy thought was fantastic and i gave him a greeny for it

[Groggy]

Groggy, the answer is in 's thread in the orange room

Cheers
Tikki :)Ta Tikki, you know I struggle to keep up at the best of times! :)

[Ashore]

Ta Tikki, you know I struggle to keep up at the best of times! :)

Just a personal one old mate I get about 2-3 e-mails each day offering solutions to your problems so if you would like me to give them your e-mail address just pm me and I will pass it on
Rgds

[Groggy]

Just a personal one old mate I get about 2-3 e-mails each day offering solutions to your problems so if you would like me to give them your e-mail address just pm me and I will pass it on
Rgds:eek::eek:That's rude!

Actually, if they send samples then yes please. I use viagra on my tomatoes so I don't have to stake them. :p

[Ashore]

:eek::eek:That's rude!

Actually, if they send samples then yes please. I use viagra on my tomatoes so I don't have to stake them. :p

Rude never .........Just trying to help you with your stated erection problims ( sorry mate but you left yourself so open )


Rgds

[Shedhand]

My personal objection is because my elder brother, as a teenager, lost the sight in his left eye when he was shot in that eye with a hot candle wax pellet fired from a Luger by some kid playing with an abandoned one soon after WW2 in Holland. :mad:

Because of that stupid incident when weapons were freely available my brother has for the last 60 years lived with the problem of seeing only through his right eye.


Peter.At least he's still alive Pete. My personal objection to guns relates to my nephew who celebrated his 16th birthday in 1996 by buying, from a second hand dealer, a .22 rifle and one bullet then getting at a pub then blowing his brains out on the mainstreet. Neither the dealer or the publican were prosecuted for selling the wares to a minor. My brother will never get over it. He gave the boy the money - which paid for the gun - as a birthday gift.

Guns? Hate 'em? You bet.:mad::mad::mad:

Who's this Bat fool. I'll send him flashing reddie.

PS: I'm ex-army. Marksman. I owned a .303 for years and loved hunting with it. Not now.

[Wood Butcher]

I can relate to that Shedhand,

A family friend died years ago when his sons got his 410 shotgun out from his locker. This bloke was always careful to make sure that his guns were not loaded when he put them away and kept the ammo in a seperate locker. This one time he accidently left one round in the gun. His son jokingly (and not knowing there was a round in it) pointed the gun towards the door and pulled the trigger when his dad came round the corner. He died before the ambos got there.

I don't have a gun nor probably never will although I have been target shooting in the past.

Bat made the right choice by deleting the thread. Can we leave it go now??

[Shedhand]

I can relate to that Shedhand,

A family friend died years ago when his sons got his 410 shotgun out from his locker. This bloke was always careful to make sure that his guns were not loaded when he put them away and kept the ammo in a seperate locker. This one time he accidently left one round in the gun. His son jokingly (and not knowing there was a round in it) pointed the gun towards the door and pulled the trigger when his dad came round the corner. He died before the ambos got there.

I don't have a gun nor probably never will although I have been target shooting in the past.

Bat made the right choice by deleting the thread. Can we leave it go now??Guess so. Particulalry as I don't know what he said to get up sturdees nostrils.

[ss_11000]

Apart from Robbos answer, because of sturdees spray i checked out Bats previous stuff and absolutly loved some of the pics of his work, and one in particular i realy thought was fantastic and i gave him a greeny for it i almost gave him one for the naked lady scroll saw pic cos it looked pretty good. seeing as though i cant see the thread in question i've got nothing to not like him for...besides the fact of ppl complaining bout him and his reddies

[Eddie Jones]

I know I'm gunna regret asking this, but here goes.....

What's a Reddie?

[Groggy]

I know I'm gunna regret asking this, but here goes.....

What's a Reddie?What's a 'Reddie' Eddie? It is negative reputation, see here (http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item#faq_rep_9)

[felixe]

HI guys,
What is/ where is the orange room, I'm not too sharp on this web related stuff.:o

[Groggy]

HI guys,
What is/ where is the orange room, I'm not too sharp on this web related stuff.:oThe "Orange Room" is actually called "OPEN SLATHER" under NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH WOODWORK (http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/forumdisplay.php?f=73)in the main entry page (http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/index.php). It means say what you want but is closed to you until you get a password from (Administrator). Ensure you check the rules though, you can't really say whatever you want, if you get offensive and someone comes after you with a summons, your details will be handed over.

[Kev Y.]

HI guys,
What is/ where is the orange room, I'm not too sharp on this web related stuff.:o


Mate IF you have to ask, you dont want to go there:p :p :p

[RETIRED]

Rather than be a man and face up to criticism and either explain his actions or defend giving his reddie he has instead altered his signature line by adding the following :



Not satisfied with individuals, now he is insulting our country as a whole. A bit rich seeing he comes from seppo land which claims to be the home of the braves and land of the free.

Our early settlers may have been convicts but you lot murdered most of the braves ( the original Indians ) and locked the rest up and starved them in reservations ( the first concentration camps in the world ) and a land where they are so free that they need that kind of weapons to protect themselves from their fellow country men. USA, the murder capital of the world.

FYI the early cotton plantations on which your country's wealth was built was originally worked by the same british convicts before they were sent here and when that supply eased up they were replaced by slaves.

Your constitution said " All men are created equal " . Yea right :( except if you were a black then you were a slave. :(

We may have had convicts, sentenced for a period of time for a crime committed, but we never had slavery. Something seppos always conveniently forget.:mad:


Peter.Bat has changed his signature. He has also decided to drop the matter and those that wish to pursue it may PM him.

I have copied a thread which I put up in Open Slather so that Peter may read it. http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=29919

[felixe]

Aha!
I have already been there, I just didn't know it was the "orange room"!
Thanks for letting me know

[Sturdee]

Bat has changed his signature. He has also decided to drop the matter and those that wish to pursue it may PM him.

I have copied a thread which I put up in Open Slather so that Peter may read it. http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=29919

Thank you for making your thread " Ladies and Gentlemen : Time please " available in open forums for me to read.

As mentioned to you my posts were a public response to what I consider a private attack on me by bat and IMO not needing editing, but as always I humbly accept your decisions in those matters.

I noted bat's post "I'm done with it. If anybody else wants to discuss guns or flame me for having right to own them, PM me and we will take it somewhere else."

For the record I don't want to discuss guns or flame him for having the right to own them as I never, ever wanted to see the photos he put up in the first place and I'm thankfull that I live in a civilised society that has gun control laws.

But I do agree with bat in that I'm done with it as well.


Peter.

[Gra]

We may have had convicts, sentenced for a period of time for a crime committed, but we never had slavery. Something seppos always conveniently forget.:mad:


Peter.

Hmmm.. Sorry sturdee, but I think we had a small amount in QLD in the cane fields in the early days. It wanst as wide spread and didnt last long (I think the colonial Govt got grumpy). I believe they used Islanders. Though there has been some contention on the matter. And the comment on the indians was a little bit of a cheap shot considering our treatment of the aboriginies.

but hay I agree with what you are trying to say, we just shouldnt be getting on our high horse until we have sorted our own mess.

PS. Yes I do come from good convict stock (Tasmanian convicts at that).

[Sturdee]

Hmmm.. Sorry sturdee, but I think we had a small amount in QLD in the cane fields in the early days.

Graham, I was taught at school that the islanders were indentured labourers. They were paid and after their period of labour was finished they signed either new contracts or were returned back to their country. Not quite the same.

I stand by my comments on the treatment of the Indians. I have a somewhat special interest in the people of the Chippewa nation, one of the 500 nations that inhabited north America before European settlement, and when you study that early period of American expension by conquest of the Indian nations you would agree with me. It does the USA no credit similarly the treatment of our own aboriginal people is not a credit to Great Britain who was the actual occupier of Australia.

Ever since we Aussies gained our independence in about 1924 when dominion status was revoked by the British parliament and they voluntary relinquished forever their right to make laws for and over Australia (as well as Canada, South Africa and New Zealand) we have tried to remedy those sins of the early British settlers against the aboriginals.

But that is another subject for debate.


Peter.

[Ashore]

It does the USA no credit similarly the treatment of our own aboriginal people is not a credit to Great Britain who was the actual occupier of Australia.



In fact if you study the history of the americian indian , and are honest then you would have to rate the U.S. government as possibly the most racist and intorreremt government in history
You only have to look at the Grandfather bill where it excluded people born in their country unable to vote

[Daddles]

And of course, you eastern staters (and the rest of the world), forget that South Australia was a free settlement. No convict ever served in chains here. Our crims were kept in hulks in the Port River and the really naughty boys (lads like Al and Christopha) were transported to Pt Arthur.

Now, when you consider that the colony of South Australia was a free settlement, that people actually PAID to be here, isn't it remarkable that within three years of the colony being established, they had to construct the Old Adelaide Gaol. A project required because of the number of crims. A project that was never fully finished because it drove the fledgeling colony to the brink of financial ruin.

And yet, an even older part of South Australian history is a building within the precincts of Yatala Labour Prison. Yes, it's still in use and it predates Adelaide Gaol (which claims 1839).

But, no convicts were ever transported here. No man ever served in chains here. So you eastern staters who are so proud of your convict heritage can stop trying to force it on the only free colony in the commonwealth, even if we did prove to be a mob of anti-social scuzzbags.

One day, I'll post the story of the first hanging here in South Australia. It's a hoot, but you need to read the original newspaper stories of the day to get the full effect (so please, no-one spoil it with a half arsed effort from later sources). There's a bit of typing involved so I won't post it tonight, but it's a great chuckle.

Richard

[Lignum]

Now, when you consider that the colony of South Australia was a free settlement, that people actually PAID to be here
Richard



How times have changed. Now you have to pay us to go there;)

[Daddles]

How times have changed. Now you have to pay us to go there;)

Dammit, where's the tongue out, raspberry smilie when you need it

Richard

[Sturdee]

And of course, you eastern staters (and the rest of the world), forget that South Australia was a free settlement. No convict ever served in chains here.
Richard

Not forgotten Richard, just not relevant in the sphere of things. :D :D :D

Actually one of my wife's ancestors, and his family, was one of those free settlers, landed 1852, and there are quite a number of her distant relatives still living in Adelaide.

However most of the family saw the light and came to Melbourne.:D


Peter.

[Daddles]

However most of the family saw the light and came to Melbourne.:D


Transported were they Peter? :D (from Adelaide to Melbourne)

Richard

[Sturdee]

Transported were they Peter? :D (from Adelaide to Melbourne)

Richard

If only, for then they would have had a ride.:D :D :D

Unfortunately they walked from there to the diggings at Ballarat and from there to Melbourne where they could make more money than on the diggings.:D

Quite understandable as many people at time chased that elusive pot of gold further afield rather than look closer at home.


Peter.

[Christopha]

NOW that is a fine hijacking gentlemen...... I was beginning to wonder if everyone on here had gone Batty!

[Rossluck]

This is scary territory, calling into question the way other poeple treated or treat indigineous populations. Lets not forget the White Australia Policy, which was a founding ideology of this country (here we can't blame the Brits) . It was only allowed to be considered if the federation was formed against the wishes of the minority of pro-slave Queenslanders and on the understanding that the Aboriginal people would disappear on the reserves into which they were segregated (hopefully naturally!).

[bitingmidge]

Lets not forget the White Australia Policy, which was a founding ideology of this country (here we can't blame the Brits) . It was only allowed to be considered if the federation was formed against the wishes of the minority of pro-slave Queenslanders

Well I'll be!! To continue the hijack, for starters, EVERYONE in 19th Century Australia was a Brit. Before Federation, we were a Colony of Britain, or am I missing something??

Secondly, as has already been pointed out, the Kanakas weren't slaves, but indentured labourers, and there were plenty of white fellas working under the same rates of pay.

I have never seen any evidence, nor any previous reference to "pro-slave Queensland", but here is some of what the Immigration Department currently has to say (that doesn't make it the truth by the way...)

Gees bat, you've got a lot to answer for! ;)

The origins of the 'White Australia' policy can be traced to the 1850s. White miners’ resentment towards industrious Chinese diggers culminated in violence on the Buckland River in Victoria, and at Lambing Flat (now Young) in New South Wales. The governments of these two colonies introduced restrictions on Chinese immigration.

Later, it was the turn of hard-working indentured labourers from the South Sea Islands of the Pacific (known as ‘kanakas’) in northern Queensland. Factory workers in the south became vehemently opposed to all forms of immigration, which might threaten their jobs - particularly by non-white people who they thought would accept a lower standard of living and work for lower wages.

Some influential Queenslanders felt that the colony would be excluded from the forthcoming Federation if the ‘kanaka’ trade did not cease. Leading NSW and Victorian politicians warned there would be no place for ‘Asiatics’ or ‘coloureds’ in the Australia of the future.

In 1901, the new federal government passed an Act ending the employment of Pacific Islanders. The Immigration Restriction Act 1901 received royal assent on 23 December 1901. It was described as an Act ‘to place certain restrictions on immigration and to provide for the removal from the Commonwealth of prohibited immigrants’.

[Sturdee]

here we can't blame the Brits

Why not?

I suppose it really depends when the Brits ceased having control over Australia and we became an independant nation. I don't mean the popular conception of an independant nation as espoused by our politicians :eek: but the legal position.

Australia was settled by the Brits and over time evolved into what was known as self governing colonies. They weren't really self governing for the British government retained the right to make through their Governors binding proclamations and the Governor could, and did, reject laws passed by the self governing parliaments.

Upon federation, which came into legal effect by a British Act of Parliament, certain powers of the so called self governing colonies (now to be called states) were passed to the Commonwealth government which was not an independant nation but a British Dominion. The British parliament retained their right to make laws for and binding upon and to make proclamations over the Commonwealth and the individual states.

In fact early in the great depression when the NSW Premier Jack Lang wanted to suspend interest payments to the British bank in order to weather the depression and make it easier for the NSW citizens the British through the NSW Governor interfered to force payment to their banks.

In 1931 The British revoked the dominion status but still retained legal oversight (and the power to disallow laws) through the appeal process to the British Privy Council until this was finally abolished in 1986 by the Australia Act. Incidentally this action in revoking dominion status was forced on the British by the then League of Nations who wouldn't recognize Canada, South Africa, New Zealand and us as independant and capable of joining that body.

Therefore legally and technically the Brits were in control and responsible for all the ills of our country until 1986.:D

Then of course there is the further question of the Monarchs reserve powers over our constitution where she can ignore or override provision of our constitution. Until these powers are removed or codified we can not really consider ourselves a truely independant nation.


Peter.

[ozwinner]

:eek:
You are a font of knowledge Peter..

Al :) :cool:

[Rossluck]

Why not?

I suppose it really depends when the Brits ceased having control over Australia and we became an independant nation. I don't mean the popular conception of an independant nation as espoused by our politicians :eek: but the legal position.

Peter.

Sorry, I was displaced from the computer (not by Brits but by my wife). I agree with Peter to an extent. But it's too easy to blame the Brits for all of this. We might just as well blame them for apartheid and the treatment of America's indigenous populations. Someone has to take responsibility, and I note that the Aboriginal people here look to us for an apology and not Blair or the Queen.

I'm drawing from what I remember from what I learned at uni as part of a degree in Australian history. The general feeling there was that the Kanakas, while ostensibly indentured labourers, were "strongly impelled" to board ships to travel to Australia to work in the cane fields. Oral histories indicate that the descendents of these people who live here generally believe this to be the case.

So far as the White Australia Policy is concerned, while it may have had its origins in concerns about the "yellow peril", it ultimately resulted in the White Australia Policy which had as its basic tenet the exclusion of all people who were not white. Aboriginal people fitted neatly into the non-white category.

As to when we became Australians, you might recall that Henry Lawson, born near Mudgee, was writing nationalistic prose in the 1880s and 90s. I'm sure he didn't see himself as a Brit.

In essence, my opinion is that we are not really in a position to start casting aspersions on the racial history of other nations.

[Dion N]

I don't have a problem with guns being available for proper sport or recreational use but I strongly object to unfettered gun ownership. Let's not forget that the USA is the murder capital of the world because of their gun ownership.

Peter.

How can a country be "the murder capital"? Surely a murder capital would be a city? Perhaps it would be more correct to talk in terms of the murder rate per captia? I seriously doubt that the overall murder rate in the USA is the highest in the world. I'm willing to bet that other countries like Iraq Somalia and Sudan have a higher rate.

In any case, stating that the US has a high murder rate simply because of the availability of guns is a pretty bold statement to make without any evidence.

[Greg Q]

. But it's too easy to blame the Brits for all of this.


Oui! C'est ca. "Blame England" has been a catch-cry in French Canada for centuries now, and it has never failed us.:p

Gregoire

[Greg Q]

How can a country be "the murder capital"? Surely a murder capital would be a city? Perhaps it would be more correct to talk in terms of the murder rate per captia? I seriously doubt that the overall murder rate in the USA is the highest in the world. I'm willing to bet that other countries like Iraq Somalia and Sudan have a higher rate.

In any case, stating that the US has a high murder rate simply because of the availability of guns is a pretty bold statement to make without any evidence.

Here's a site whose data indicates that America is 24th. I have just spent a few minutes being surprised by the Dept of Justice stats that don't reflect our received wisdom about crime rates. I am going to have to spend more time looking over the comparative data (like I need another hobby), and maybe revise my opinions somewhat.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_percap

It is interesting that murder and violent crime rates have been in rapid decline for the last 12 or so years. Also, the numbers for America and Canada (for example), taken as a whole get skewed by regional differences. Americas rate is spiked by high crime in the south, Canada's by high crime in the west. Parts of western Canada have murder rates THE SAME AS America's 4.2/1000,000 people.
Time for a re-think, methinks