Firefox V Internet Explorer

[macca2]

As I know nothing about the inside of a computer I would like to ask the experts on this BB for their pros and cons for the two.

Thanks
Macca

[Gumby]

Firefox for me. I like the bookmarks toolbar. Why not download it and give it a try. it's free.:D

I prefer using non Microsoft gear, simply because it' safer. For emails I use Incredimail, not OE.

[Shedhand]

I switched to Firefox 10 months ago and I'll never go back to IE. Do yourself a favour and get Thunderbird email its also top of the tree.;)

[ozwinner]

I prefer using non Microsoft gear, .

How?
I use all MS stuff along with Norton, and have never had a problem.
Are you just too cheep to buy anti virus stuff??:p

Al :confused:

[Gumby]

How?
I use all MS stuff along with Norton, and have never had a problem.
Are you just too cheep to buy anti virus stuff??:p

Al :confused:

Norton ! No, I'm over that stuff too. I use Trend Micro PC cillin for Anti Virus, Spyware and a firewall, plus I hide behind a D-Link router. You'll never find me. :D

It's just that lots of crap is written to get around IE and OE, and Norton as well, so if you use something else, the chances of avoiding trouble are less.

[namtrak]

I use the Fox and Thunderbird with almost no problems. Firefox has a much smaller footprint that IE and has some cool add-ons. In particular the weather in the toolbar is pretty neat.

I have had a minor hassle with thunderbird not sending the odd email with attachments - but other than that no dramas.

Cheers

[craigb]

I use Firefox at home and the IE engine in a tabbed browser at work because FF seems to have "issues" with the corporate network.

I'm led to believe that FF's security is better then IE's, but that belief is really only based on hearsay.

The best thing about FF is that it's Open Source. Which means that anybody can write add-ons for it. So it's probably more innovative than IE. However, when all is said and done, it's just a browser.

My 0.05 cents.

[ozwinner]

The best thing about FF is that it's Open Source. Which means that anybody can write add-ons for it..

Like, say, Hackers!!??

Al :eek:

[craigb]

Like, say, Hackers!!??

Al :eek:

Well yes, in the truest (and original) meaning of the term.

Ie, don't look on a hacker as being a destructive little toerag, but a simple nerd who is interested in improving a piece of software.

I'm pretty sure that the Mozilla people have a means of screening out the malicious.

[fxst]

I tried and liked opera also firefox and still use agent as a email and newsreader and used to use netscape but now I use IE simply because its there and it stays there using up HDD space anyway so why not.........I have a firewall and virus checker (zonealarm) and to date no probs and years ago I started using pc's with XT CGA screen and dos
Pete

[Mirboo]

I use Firefox. I like the tabbed browsing facility. Firefox also seems faster to me. I won't be going back to Internet Explorer.

Regards,
Mirboo.

[echnidna]

I use IE6 and Firefox and Opera.
Each one has a different email web site setup as the homepage.
Prefer in order,1-FF,2-Opera, 3-IE a very sad last.

If I want to keep a webpage for reference purposes, Using IE6 I select all and copy to clipboard then paste it into Word.

[Daddles]

I use both IE and Firefox. Firefox eats up resources and stalls before IE does under the same punishment and there are times when I push both very, very hard.

I use OE for emails and have never suffered the problems other people rave about.

I use Microsoft's AntiSpyware and periodic checks with spybot and the other cool programs that people reccomend have never shown a problem.

I run Norton Internet Security without hassle, without drama and the occasional check with other programs has yet to find something Norton didn't.

There is a lot of anti microsoft hysteria about programs. In the past, a lot of this was justified. Recently though, I can't find the 'problems' because they aren't on my machine which, by the way, is a Dell which is supposed to be &&&&& too.

My beast. A bottom of the range Dell running Norton Internet Security and using IE and OE (with Firefox used for comedy relief). Regular updates. Two years running on broadband, turned on at 8 in the morning and turned off after midnight every day. NEVER had a problem. This has been the most reliable computer I've ever used.

Richard

Oh, BTW, I also get my broadband from bigpond and, like the other stuff mentioned above, I'm the exception that must prove the rule because it gives me no grief and I have yet to see a plan that beats mine (sorry children, no data transfer slowdown on my plan).

[ele__13]

i 2 use firefox and incredimal have done for a years now love them not a lover of ms stuff mind u id like to get a clunker computer and get a linux box going :0 ) is good ... try firefox u wont go back ......

jules

ps was a netscape user years ago :p:D

[Groggy]

I use IE6 and Firefox and Opera.
Each one has a different email web site setup as the homepage.
Prefer in order,1-FF,2-Opera, 3-IE a very sad last.

If I want to keep a webpage for reference purposes, Using IE6 I select all and copy to clipboard then paste it into Word.In IE, look up Help . . . Contents and Index . . type in "synchronizing Web pages" and browse, it may offer you more for less effort.

[Studley 2436]

How?
I use all MS stuff along with Norton, and have never had a problem.
Are you just too cheep to buy anti virus stuff??:p

Al :confused:
Don't know to much can't say too much but Windows is a bit of a swinging door. Firewalls are important, and you should also check what ports it has open.

Anything can be hacked or broken into so take as much care as you can.

It is true about hackers they started as a white hat variety that were more into breaking code so they could learn it and dust it up or improve it themselves. Wasn't anything to do with wrecking networks or the like.

The Media got the term and gave it a new meaning

Studley

[Grunt]

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Oh, BTW, I also get my broadband from bigpond and, like the other stuff mentioned above, I'm the exception that must prove the rule because it gives me no grief and I have yet to see a plan that beats mine (sorry children, no data transfer slowdown on my plan).

You must be the only person in Australia with a Telstra plan that doesn't charge you for extra or shape (slow down) the data transfer when you exceed your limit.


I use Firefox mostly and IE occasionally. My Dell laptop blew up last week. After 2 1/5 years the mother board decided that it wanted to make memory access really ramdom.

If you open up a lot of tabs or pages in Firefox you will use a lot of memory. My only real complaint with it. I like the tabs.

I also use OpenOffice instead of MS Office which is just great and it's free.


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[Daddles]

I've used various versions of Open Office, even the new one. Sadly, it doesn't do everything I want and what I want is simple but very specific (I'm only formatting manuscripts for gawd's sake) but the biggest problem is that the conversion to a doc file isn't always seamless. No-one asks me to submit in OO format and no-one I've come across accepts it so for me, it's safer to stick with Word ... which is a pity because OO creates such lovely, small, files

Richard

[macca2]

Thanks for all the replies fellas.
I have downloaded Firefox and will give it a go.

Macca

[Groggy]

Thanks for all the replies fellas.
I have downloaded Firefox and will give it a go.

MaccaMacca, some of the tips in the following threads will help:

http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=20581&highlight=firefox

http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=24271&highlight=firefox

http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/showthread.php?t=17275&highlight=firefox

[Waldo]

G'day,

IE, but then sometimes it buggers up and refuses to load so then I open the forum under Safari - but then I'm on a Mac. :cool:

[Termite]

At the moment FireFox is king, now that they have sorted out the Norton conflict, but don't write off IE just yet.
The beta version of IE7 that is being trialed at the moment still has a few bugs to sort out, lets face it it's a beta version, but the one thing that is very clear about it is that as far as speed is concerned it craps all over FireFox.

Aparently the security of Firefox is no better than IE6, its just that more attacks are made on IE than on Firefox.

The battle of the browsers is only just starting to get underway. Firefox have released a bundled version which includes 6 months free Norton and a bunch of add-on goodies :rolleyes: and due to the increasing popularity of FF, Microsoft have released a cut down version of IE7 tabbed browsing which can be used with IE6 untill the official release of IE7.

Updates and releases from Microsoft and FF are becoming a weekly and sometimes daily event. We as users can only be winners.

[woodbe]

I've used various versions of Open Office, even the new one. Sadly, it doesn't do everything I want and what I want is simple but very specific (I'm only formatting manuscripts for gawd's sake) but the biggest problem is that the conversion to a doc file isn't always seamless. No-one asks me to submit in OO format and no-one I've come across accepts it so for me, it's safer to stick with Word ... which is a pity because OO creates such lovely, small, files

Richard

Depends on the document and the audience, but my most common scenario is to create it in OpenOffice and export to PDF and send that.

If the document needs to be edited by others, you're a bit stuck. I have used RTF successfully in some of those instances, but inevitably people get twitchy about anyone not joyfull about using a bloated WP and a MS format documents. I have it if I need it, but I only use it if I have to. :)

Something the OO crowd could get a lot of milage out of would be an OpenOffice document filter for Word.

Michael

[Termite]

Depends on the document and the audience, but my most common scenario is to create it in OpenOffice and export to PDF and send that.

If the document needs to be edited by others, you're a bit stuck. I have used RTF successfully in some of those instances, but inevitably people get twitchy about anyone not joyfull about using a bloated WP and a MS format documents. I have it if I need it, but I only use it if I have to. :)

Something the OO crowd could get a lot of milage out of would be an OpenOffice document filter for Word.

Michael
The advantage of a PDF is that you can edit, the downside is that PDF files tend to be large.
I use OO and love it.

[woodbe]

The advantage of a PDF is that you can edit, the downside is that PDF files tend to be large.
I use OO and love it.

Did you mean "can't edit" ?

Size of PDF files depends on how they are created and by what. If it's just text, they are often smaller than an equivalent word doc. If there are graphics embedded, and text is bitmapped, they can be a lot larger. Not that word is an example of filespace efficiency mind you... The new OpenDocument format in OO v2 is very efficient.

Michael

[Waldo]

The advantage of a PDF is that you can edit, the downside is that PDF files tend to be large.
I use OO and love it.


G'day,

It depends on what setting you're using to make the PDF, screen is all that's needed if you want a small, on the other hand a press ready PDF is required when sending artwork files for commercial printing - hence a much larger file containg all print specs, i.e. color, embedded typefaces and graphics which are all turned into bitmapped images for output.

Keep to the screen setting for uploading a PDF say to this forum - little time to download and easily viewed, the downside they are low res and when the PDF is printed it'll be blurry.

My 2¢ from a professional who uses them daily. :)

[Termite]

G'day,

It depends on what setting you're using to make the PDF, screen is all that's needed if you want a small, on the other hand a press ready PDF is required when sending artwork files for commercial printing - hence a much larger file containg all print specs, i.e. color, embedded typefaces and graphics which are all turned into bitmapped images for output.

Keep to the screen setting for uploading a PDF say to this forum - little time to download and easily viewed, the downside they are low res and when the PDF is printed it'll be blurry.

My 2¢ from a professional who uses them daily. :)
Well seeing as you use them daily you would know that PDF stands for Portable Document Format and I feel sure you would know the uses that this type of file was designed for.
However, many people use this format for uses other than its intended purpose, and when doing so they tend to shrink an inherently large file type to the point, as you say above, where it is virtually illegible when printed.

For example :- Its a great file type for sending brochures to a retailer when they may wish to remove a list of options for a machine that are not available in this country, or remove the distributors name and insert their own.

What used to get right up my nose when I was working was when people would send a 3 page plain text document on a letterhead in PDF format and you would end up with a 1.8 Mb file.

[Shedhand]

For all those using Firefox, Version 1.5 is available for download now. The Mozilla site is much more user friendly now. I didn't know the new version was out until my eBay login told me about it. eBay and NetBank went haywire yesterday.:eek:
Cheers
PS it has some great new Schemes and Extensions..:)

[Waldo]

G'day,

Thanks Termite. I can help with stuff like the above as it's my bread and butter eg. PDFs. Woodie stuff - well that's why I'm here on this forum to get help from good folk like yourself.

[Termite]

For all those using Firefox, Version 1.5 is available for download now. The Mozilla site is much more user friendly now. I didn't know the new version was out until my eBay login told me about it. eBay and NetBank went haywire yesterday.:eek:
Cheers
PS it has some great new Schemes and Extensions..:)
Watch out for the sidebar and some of the extensions, they can be handy and amusing but some of them are RAM hogs.

[Auld Bassoon]

I tried and liked opera also firefox and still use agent as a email and newsreader and used to use netscape but now I use IE simply because its there and it stays there using up HDD space anyway so why not.........I have a firewall and virus checker (zonealarm) and to date no probs and years ago I started using pc's with XT CGA screen and dos
Pete

I haven't read further down this post, so this might be redundant, by MS have just released a public preview of IW 7 (I've been using it for about a week, and it seems pretty solid, has tabbed browser panels, much better security than its predecessors and only has about a 12Mb footprint (Gawd: what am I saying? I used to write assembler stuff that would be about 100th the size).

Have a gander here : http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie7/default.mspx

[Auld Bassoon]

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You must be the only person in Australia with a Telstra plan that doesn't charge you for extra or shape (slow down) the data transfer when you exceed your limit.

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G'day Grunt,

Depends on the plan - as with any ISP, read the T&Cs. The plan that I'm on is unlimited, and gives me > 4Mb/s (on cable).

[Grunt]

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Depends on the plan - as with any ISP, read the T&Cs. The plan that I'm on is unlimited, and gives me > 4Mb/s (on cable).

Show me.

These are Telstra's current Cable plans. The unlimited ones are shaped.

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data</td> <td>Excess
data</td> <td>Upload
data</td> <td>IP</td> <td>Monthly cost</td> <td align="left">Calc
TCO</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td align="left"> 200MB </td> <td>200 MB</td> <td>$150 /GB</td> <td>Counted</td> <td>Dynamic</td> <td align="right">$29.95 /mo (http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc-isp-calc.cfm?id=1&s=1&re=0&p=2809)</td> <td style="padding: 3px;" avalign="middle" bgcolor="#dddddd">http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/img/bc/calc.gif (http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc-isp-calc.cfm?id=1&s=1&re=0&p=2809)</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td align="left"> 400MB (Bundled) http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/img/bc/tel.gif </td> <td>400 MB</td> <td>$150 /GB</td> <td>Counted</td> <td>Dynamic</td> <td align="right">$39.95 /mo (http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc-isp-calc.cfm?id=1&s=1&re=0&p=8283)</td> <td style="padding: 3px;" avalign="middle" bgcolor="#dddddd">http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/img/bc/calc.gif (http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc-isp-calc.cfm?id=1&s=1&re=0&p=8283)</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td align="left"> 400MB </td> <td>400 MB</td> <td>$150 /GB</td> <td>Counted</td> <td>Dynamic</td> <td align="right">$49.95 /mo (http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc-isp-calc.cfm?id=1&s=1&re=0&p=7334)</td> <td style="padding: 3px;" avalign="middle" bgcolor="#dddddd">http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/img/bc/calc.gif (http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc-isp-calc.cfm?id=1&s=1&re=0&p=7334)</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td align="left"> Unlimited* (Bundled) http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/img/bc/tel.gif </td> <td>10 GB</td> <td>Shaped</td> <td>Counted</td> <td>Dynamic</td> <td align="right">$59.95 /mo (http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc-isp-calc.cfm?id=1&s=1&re=0&p=2475)</td> <td style="padding: 3px;" avalign="middle" bgcolor="#dddddd">http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/img/bc/calc.gif (http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc-isp-calc.cfm?id=1&s=1&re=0&p=2475)</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td align="left"> Unlimited* </td> <td>10 GB</td> <td>Shaped</td> <td>Counted</td> <td>Dynamic</td> <td align="right">$69.95 /mo (http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc-isp-calc.cfm?id=1&s=1&re=0&p=8285)</td> <td style="padding: 3px;" avalign="middle" bgcolor="#dddddd">http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/img/bc/calc.gif (http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc-isp-calc.cfm?id=1&s=1&re=0&p=8285)</td> </tr> <tr valign="bottom"> <td colspan="2" align="left">Max / 256 kbps
</td> <td colspan="5"> </td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td align="left"> 20GB (Bundled) http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/img/bc/tel.gif </td> <td>20 GB</td> <td>$150 /GB</td> <td>Counted</td> <td>Dynamic</td> <td align="right">$99.95 /mo (http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc-isp-calc.cfm?id=1&s=1&re=0&p=8284)</td> <td style="padding: 3px;" avalign="middle" bgcolor="#dddddd">http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/img/bc/calc.gif (http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc-isp-calc.cfm?id=1&s=1&re=0&p=8284)</td> </tr> <tr bgcolor="#eeeeee"> <td align="left"> 20GB </td> <td>20 GB</td> <td>$150 /GB</td> <td>Counted</td> <td>Dynamic</td> <td align="right">$109.95 /mo (http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc-isp-calc.cfm?id=1&s=1&re=0&p=4568)</td> <td style="padding: 3px;" avalign="middle" bgcolor="#dddddd">http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/img/bc/calc.gif (http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc-isp-calc.cfm?id=1&s=1&re=0&p=4568)</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>
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[macca2]

Me thinks that Steve may well be on a staff plan???????
Macca

[Daddles]

Grunt, I think I understand what you're trying to say, but this isn't the first time you've effectively called someone a liar because they have a good plan with Telstra and you don't.

Richard

[Grunt]

I am not calling you a liar. I just believe that you are mistaken. Telstra do not currently or at any time that I have looked in the past offered a service that is unlimited that is not shaped. It makes no sense for Telstra to do so, when they offer a 20GB service for a considerable cost difference.

This is from the Telstra. Not the asterisk next to the unlimited.

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